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Teflon Jesse

Started by Mozart30 REPLIES596 VIEWS· 21 Sept 2015, 16:03
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21 Sept 2015, 16:03
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21 Sept 2015, 16:03#1
Incredible as it may seem, I have not found one reference to Kriel's missed tackle which led to the final Japanese try....not in the commentary, the written articles or on this Board. Nothing...it never happened.
In a politically driven world where honesty is a fugitive these things are to be expected...but with all the rivers of ink devoted to the game, to find nothing on this is astonishing. 
The politically correct answer is Kriel is among the chosen, so his mistakes are ignored. And this incident is just a continuation of his weak  centre tackling, scarcely at a 70 per cent success rate.

It's not the end of Kriel, he is a talented youngster, but we should be able to rely on our centres to conduct a standard backline defence. As an example look at the tackling of the Bargie centres on much more dangerous opponents.
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21 Sept 2015, 16:11
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21 Sept 2015, 16:11#2
 For what it's worth, i noticed it.
I wont lie, I am nervous about Jesse.
Reminds me of a young percy when he started out at 13.
Percy was great with ball in hand and broke the line similarly to Jesse, but was a revolving door on defense.

I do have hope though. Jesse is young. I'd rather him settle at 13 over the next year. His defense will improve.

13 is a very hard channel to defend in. Just ask Damian and even Jean.
We don't realise what we had in Jaque Fourie. He basically shut that channel out completely with his fantastic defending skills.

I'd still want to give JK a decent run though. I'd also love to see him and de Allende rekindle their partnership for the rest of the RWC.
What he lacks in defense, he makes up for on attack.


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21 Sept 2015, 17:07
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21 Sept 2015, 17:07#3
 Any player playing outside of the present Jean de Villiers is at a massive disadvantage from both an attacking and defensive perspective.    That being said I do not condone a missed tackle leading to a try.  Have noticed it - but fact is that was just a cog in the wheel of a very bad team performance.  
I think that the problem is that we need to take a positive view on the issue.  The guy is very young and experience will add to his defensive skills.   However, the real bad effs in the team was not at 13 and I would not blame Jess alone for that try being scored - the main problem was the old boys not fronting up.           
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21 Sept 2015, 18:06
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21 Sept 2015, 18:06#4

Agreed Flash, but it's a great pity he wasn' t selected at 13 for the Bools for the last half of the season if this was an option HM was considering. Learning at a WC is a tough ask.

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21 Sept 2015, 20:53
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21 Sept 2015, 20:53#5
 Oh what a load of utter crap....Japan should not have been close to the Boks.....its an utter disgrace that they were. Jessie went high it was a miss but to somehow attribute that to him in general is a load of utter crap. Jessie has never had an issue with defence and never will have.
Hell comparing him to Percy is a joke. Percy weighed all of 78kg when he first started playing and was crap defensively as he was simply too small and got brushed away with ease.
Jessie weighs 96kg and is a solid defender. Name other misses by Jessie. Hell we could all name misses by players - it's rugby....remember Lambie slapping Schalk 
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21 Sept 2015, 21:00
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21 Sept 2015, 21:00#6
 @saf
i'm not disputing his size and his tackling skills.
I for one am also not attributing him to our reason for losing. We were just crap over all!

But he does seem to shoot off his line and drift inwards too often. It happened against the AB's as well. Remember Cole's line break to score under the posts...

Like i said, i'd still stick with him. He is world class on attack. He just needs to sharpen up his defense.


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21 Sept 2015, 21:06
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21 Sept 2015, 21:06#7
I only attribute the loss to him in the sense that if he makes that simple centers tackle 15 metres out, we regroup and win. You still don't get it after  Taute, JJ and Allende miss their tackles and lose tests. Making your tackles close to the line is not optional.
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21 Sept 2015, 21:22
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21 Sept 2015, 21:22#8
 Ah Moz it's back to JJ....but bang we all know that it was Jean who missed Barrett and who's defensive stats were worse than JJ s that RC....so stop speaking utter crap. Jean missed more tackles than Kriel against Japan.
Wake the fuck up old man....a miss by Jessie did not cost us the test....a Bok side should have been 50 points up at that stage against Japan you fool.
We lost because the wrong side was selected by the wrong coach and as a result we were useless all game - we are talking Japan old man...it should not have been close.
Stop making pathetic excuses or blaming individuals who shock shock happen to be young and full of class.....it was a disgraceful team effort by your sad excuse of a side. Wake up to reality old man....you keep putting your ignorant foot in it. Blaming Kriel is poor taste - stop smarting and man up and admit you fucked up, that you are as out of touch as our coach is 
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21 Sept 2015, 21:32
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21 Sept 2015, 21:32#9
 Moz, if he and de Allende had more time playing in tests, they would have been better. Yet we wasted 21(Serf) + 12(Frans) + 6(JJ) + 4(Wynkan) opportunities on other options, while overplaying Jean at the same time. I'm not saying they should not have been tried, but hell 21 matches invested in Steppie and he can't book a ride to the WC? And why the hell was Wynand ever picked. And six chances for JJ. IN 4 YEARS???? Don't get me started on tight head props!
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21 Sept 2015, 21:44
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21 Sept 2015, 21:44#10
Draad how do you know that...did JJ get any better after a whole season as Bok 13. Did you watch those Bargie centres putting the ABs away. Why are they physical while all of the above and Steppie  look like deer in the headlights?
In any case I think Kriel is a talent, but man that was a disappointing display against Japan...hesitant and impotent. The same is true forStephanie, he might as well not have been playing.
It seems these kids just aren't ready to compete....so even as the older guys fade, they remain a better bet.
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21 Sept 2015, 21:47
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21 Sept 2015, 21:47#11
Fatty keep a civil tongue in your head old chap....your side bombed against Bargie and not one of the youngsters except Lomp did diddly on Saturday.
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21 Sept 2015, 21:53
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21 Sept 2015, 21:53#12
 I'm  saying that it is a joke that Meyer only managed to give 3 centers more than 10 matches. Of those 3 only one is in the squad and JJ started 9 and Serf 11. The one he decided to take only played a few matches this year AND is hopelessly not match fit.Poor planning. 4 wasted years.
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21 Sept 2015, 22:03
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21 Sept 2015, 22:03#13
 @mozart,

"Incredible as it may seem, I have not found one reference to Kriel's missed tackle which led to the final Japanese try..."

because the missed tackle is completely insignificant. You are the only one trying to find something to blame for the loss, trying to divert the discussions to avoid critics.

If the tackle had been made the result would have been the same, the japanese player with the ball had a teammate very close to him and he could have offloaded him easily in case of a tackle.
And the tackle is completely insignificant in terms of attributing the blame of the loss, the reason are others very diferent. The disaster was of epic proportions, and do you really think that it was due to a single missed tackle? c'mon, man.........

This is from the "Who's hot... and who's not!" section in PR:

"Get these guys a cup of warm soup!

Heyneke Meyer and Jean de Villiers: The Springbok coach and captain now have the dubious distinction of having led South Africa to historic defeats to both Argentina and Japan. Impressive as the Japanese were, the Boks' tactics were painfully predicable (again), their defence was shaky, their execution was poor and their discipline was worse. Meyer has a lot to answer for. Most telling is that of the four tries they scored in Brighton, not one was the result of outmanoeuvring the opposition defence, creating or exploiting space. If all the Boks are capable of is mauling and trying to barge their way through defenders then they may as well back their bags now. The gamble of backing the experience of recently-injured veterans like De Villiers, Willem Alberts, Fourie du Preez and co. over in-form players clearly did not pay off. As for the captain, some very serious questions now need to be asked about whether he should be in the starting XV while Damian de Allende watches from the sidelines. JDV is a great guy, but with South Africa lining up the most experienced team in their history, his contributions as captain - on the field at least - should not be overvalued. The best players must start in every position, this is a lesson South Africa should have learnt from the last World Cup."


This is what you've been backing all the way and what caused the debacle,....... not a missed tackle

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21 Sept 2015, 22:06
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21 Sept 2015, 22:06#14
My side has never played under Meyer so stop speaking shit.
There were only 4 youngsters on the field you fool. Lood was the best player on the field by some distance. Kriel proved himself ages ago.
PSDT was better than useless Louw or Matfield.
Lambie was solid.
JJ was outstanding for the Boks at 13....name a better performance by a 13 with ball in hand against the AB s...the fact that useless Meyer dropped him after that speaks volumes for the clown. His calls are on par with your ignorant ones.
Imagine wanting Matfield at 5 when you have Etzebeth and Lood as a pair....could it get more pathetic...well yes it could it's like being stupid enough to want to break up the de Allende / Kriel combo
Fucking clueless 
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21 Sept 2015, 22:07
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21 Sept 2015, 22:07#15
 Spot on AB.....poor old Moz is desperate but fails to comprehend how stupid he looks in the process 
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21 Sept 2015, 22:53
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21 Sept 2015, 22:53#16

So he screwed up by not giving more than 3 centres 10 matches or more? Which NZ centres other than Smith, SBW and Nonu got more than 10 tests? And assuming you can come up with one....what was he supposed to do give Taute 7 more tests.

 

 

What you guys simply aren't grasping is the talent doesnt exist. Not at centre, wing, scrumhalf, or loose forward. Everybody has got a shot.....and failed. Do we want more Steppie, more JJ?

 

The only mistake HM made was to exclude Frans who would have hammered the wee Japanese.

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21 Sept 2015, 23:02
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21 Sept 2015, 23:02#17
 No Moffie want you don't grasp is that there is  more than enough centre talent to work with....take your pick de Allende, Kriel, Vorster, Odendaal, Esterhuizen, Serfontein, Swanepoel, Frans Venter, Mnisi, Mapoe, Kobus v/Wyk, Hannekom etc.
It's the likes of you and Meyer with the results to confirm it....that can't see past your pathetic conservatism.
As for the AB's....Crotty and Fekitoa have had more than 10 tests....so try again 
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21 Sept 2015, 23:10
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21 Sept 2015, 23:10#18
If a coach can't get a player like De Allende proficient on defence, he should get another job. Selecting established experienced players is not coaching. Coaches should not be selectors by default .
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21 Sept 2015, 23:44
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21 Sept 2015, 23:44#19
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=69&v=TBFup2hEcAo

Moz, you're right ...... 'twas feeble, typical JJ style .
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21 Sept 2015, 23:49
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21 Sept 2015, 23:49#20
Ah blob let me guess a twat like you would drop Kriel and rejoice in Meyer as coach. Let me guess you have Kriel as the reason we lost that test huh?
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21 Sept 2015, 23:56
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21 Sept 2015, 23:56#21
What do you think of his attempted tackle ?

Notice your once was a superstar JJ can't crack your top ten centres . You're like the kiss o' death .
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22 Sept 2015, 00:02
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22 Sept 2015, 00:02#22
He went high it was poor. But I am not pathetic enough to blame him for our loss.
Meyers pathetic treatment of JJ killed him off...has lost his mojo and pissed off to Japan. 
Don't blame him.....imagine carving up the Kiwi defence, leaving Savea for dead and getting dropped the next test as a reward.
Sums useless Meyer up.
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22 Sept 2015, 00:02
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22 Sept 2015, 00:02#23
He went high it was poor. But I am not pathetic enough to blame him for our loss.
Meyers pathetic treatment of JJ killed him off...has lost his mojo and pissed off to Japan. 
Don't blame him.....imagine carving up the Kiwi defence, leaving Savea for dead and getting dropped the next test as a reward.
Sums useless Meyer up.
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22 Sept 2015, 00:02
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22 Sept 2015, 00:02#24
He went high it was poor. But I am not pathetic enough to blame him for our loss.
Meyers pathetic treatment of JJ killed him off...has lost his mojo and pissed off to Japan. 
Don't blame him.....imagine carving up the Kiwi defence, leaving Savea for dead and getting dropped the next test as a reward.
Sums useless Meyer up.
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22 Sept 2015, 01:01
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22 Sept 2015, 01:01#25
Thanks Blob, at that stage one would have thought a full hearted attempt to tackle was expected....not a gentle push along the way. F ortunately I don't have fat Dave's finer feelings. When I see a Bok centre missing a tackle as our last act of the match I have no problem saying he lost the match.
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22 Sept 2015, 01:09
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22 Sept 2015, 01:09#26
 That's why an old fuck like you thinks Meyer is the answer as are Matfield and Jean as you are too stupid to realise that given we were playing Japan the game should never have been in the balance at any stage.
But your blind support for a loser has you missing the point.
We were playing Japan old fart....the Boks should have been in a position to miss 5 such tackles and still win by 40 points....get it old man....it was Japan 
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22 Sept 2015, 01:26
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22 Sept 2015, 01:26#27
 Now back to Fat Fransie by the greatest idiot ever ion this site.   Let me remind you that This old fart does not know his ass from his elbow.  Fransie was the most ineffective center in Super 15 rugby since 2013.  In 2014  - 2 line breaks beating 8 defenders - in 2015 1 line break beating 9 defenders.
Compare that to 27 line breaks beating 73 defenders by De Allende this year.   So what is to be done to get at De Allende and support the ineffective Fransie?   Go for the few missed tackles by De Allende and to make it look worse - concoct lies about what happened in matches.   But for heavens sake never ever mention that Fransie has a worse defensive record than De Allende.   When I pointed out that statistically that was actually the case - he went ballistic.  Fransie's stats should never be considered - because his mere presence scares the sh!t out of any opponents.   Use stats only when it fits your own arguments - ignore them if it does not.
The low-life's biggest joke since Saturday:-
"The only mistake HM made was to exclude Frans who would have hammered the wee Japanese."
Now look at the above and see what sense there is to be made from the insanity of that statement.    


        
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22 Sept 2015, 01:32
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22 Sept 2015, 01:32#28
Best of all Moffie still thinks Meyer is the man for the job....talk about gutter standards....but hey ho we are talking Moffie here. They say love is blind 
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22 Sept 2015, 01:45
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22 Sept 2015, 01:45#29
"Gutter standards".... once again the English language has eluded you Dave. I do love the way a homophobe like you accuses me of all sorts of imagined things, while you prove your bigotry with every post. Carry on Pork Chop.
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22 Sept 2015, 02:01
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22 Sept 2015, 02:01#30
Ah Moffie please talk us through this one.....here we have a racist pig somehow equating my reference to the standards Meyer has taken us to as somehow b igotry. ...the stage is yours racist pig.
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22 Sept 2015, 04:33
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22 Sept 2015, 04:33#31
Why are you surprised Moz? Damian cost the Boks two tries against Australia and was beaten all day on defence, did nothing on attack. 
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