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Ten men rugby can work - but against the Chiefs no chance

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 May 2012, 13:57
#1
25 May 2012, 13:57#1

Can we now understand why the Bulls lost this morning.   Attacking on the line of the Chiefs and give away a penalty - or lose the ball forward - or just lose possession.

The question is - who of the 14 in the squad of 42 did anything constructive?   Kirchner was poor to atrocious, especially under the high ball.   Basson scored a try - great player.    Meisiekind did nothing constructive - defence not up to standard.   Steyn kicked conversions well - but his other kicks were useless to poor.   EWven Hougaard did not play well - but he did better than the rest of the team.

Spies - where was he?    Van der Merwe came on and spilled the ball - the only time he did anything or touched the ball.   The scrums were no good and they were lucky - the Bulls should have been penalized a number of times.    Other than when he was injured - did not see aanytghing of Chilliboy either.

Now the Bulls have a problem on the log.   Even if the Sharks beat the Stormers - they would still be fourth  on the log.    They can depending on outcome of the coming games end up lower than the Sharks as well.   

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ChippoPro3,372 posts
25 May 2012, 14:09
#2
25 May 2012, 14:09#2

Couple of things...

  1. Coaching isnt all that great. What did Frans achieve anywhere else?
  2. Innefective lock combo
  3. Werner Kruger and Greyling are below par. I dont care what anyone else thinks... they are useless!
  4. Morne... you are never going to get an exciting backline display out of him.
  5. Olivier.... blows hot and cold
  6. Spies = built like tarzan, built like jane
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2012, 14:17
#3
25 May 2012, 14:17#3

Chiefs are  a good side and this was the last away match down under for the bulle. Scoreline close.

Hope you are not exagerrating the bulle problems Mike?

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2012, 15:04
#4
25 May 2012, 15:04#4

Ex Supersport

Everyone talks about how dangerous the Chiefs are from broken play and if the Bulls didn’t know it they do now after what looked like being a victory became a 28-22 defeat in their last Vodacom Super Rugby tour match in Hamilton on Friday.

There were several times in the match when the Bulls looked to have the game in hand and were set to keep their winning run against the Chiefs intact, a result which would have put them in a strong position on the South African conference log had it happened.

But while trying to control the game and camping in the Chiefs half with a one point lead in the 68th minute, the Bulls saw the Chiefs break out from inside their own 22 as they ran the ball to the left and wing Asaeli Tikoirotuma made good ground off the overlap upfield and into the Bulls’ half. The Bulls carried the ball out on defence, the Chiefs took a quick throw-in from which the ball went wide to Sonny Bill Williams, who produced a magical inside run before timing his pass perfectly to reserve loose-forward Sam Cane.

The converted try put the Chiefs into the lead with 10 minutes left in a game that was mostly dominated by the Bulls, and after that there was just no comeback opportunity for a Bulls side that for the second week in succession was finally denied by a breakdown turn-over off the final move of the game.

The Highlanders scored a similar win against them last week, but this time the Bulls couldn’t be accused of leaving their best attacking rugby until too late and of not carrying the ball enough early in the game. They were highly impressive for most of the first 40, by the end of which they led 16-8, and had they continued to be as frugal in their hogging of the ball on the drive through the middle in the second half as they were in the first, they would have won at a canter.

But you don’t have to give the Chiefs much of an opportunity for they tend to take their scoring chances, and the inventiveness and individual brilliance of players like Williams and fullback Matthew Horrell was ultimately the difference between the teams.

The Bulls started strongly and were effective in sucking in the Chiefs with their driving in the first 10 minutes, for which they were rewarded by a Morne Steyn penalty that put them 3-0 ahead. But little elementary mistakes even at that point were plaguing the Bulls, and a Bulls failure to control the ball at the back of a scrum near halfway saw the Chiefs seize on it and storm onto the attack for the first time in the game.

They didn’t score immediately but eventually forced a 15th minute penalty that enabled Aaron Cruden to level the scores before Morne Steyn capitalised on more territorial dominance for the Bulls by slotting over a drop-goal.

Then though came a sequence of mistakes that led to the Chiefs scoring their first try, with a mistake at the contesting of the restart allowing Aaron Cruden to put a kick downfield. Cruden was admittedly under pressure from the advancing Bulls when he kicked, but the chase onto Akona Ndungane was perfectly timed. The Bulls left wing was unable to control the ball, which spat out to the side, and Horrell was up to kick through and score.

It was the last scoring for the Chiefs in the first half, with the 17 minutes before halftime being all about the Bulls, who looked to be taking control of the game as much on the field as they were on the scoreboard. A Steyn penalty regained the lead for the Bulls and then as the hooter loomed Dewaldt Potgieter, who had an impressive game, launched off a maul and a great pass from Francois Hougaard saw Bjorn Basson go in at the corner flag.

The Chiefs did play a lot better in the second half, and they exhibited greater control than they had earlier. But although Cruden kicked two penalties against one from Steyn to cut the deficit to five points in the quarter hour after halftime, the Bulls still seemed to be in control until the Chiefs surged into the Bulls half and forced a penalty inside not far from their line.

The Chiefs’ decision not to kick for goal was debated by the commentators – they had also eschewed an earlier attempt – but the Chiefs did have momentum with them and the decision proved the right one. The Bulls defence should not feel happy though as no backline should ever concede a try off set-play, with the Chiefs going right, Cruden drifting wide to put Tikoirotuma in for the try off his inside shoulder.

With the conversion that made it a two point lead for the Chiefs, but it was promptly cancelled by another Steyn penalty, and it looked like the Bulls might be regaining the ascendancy as they played their way into the Chiefs half. There was though a twist in the tail and the Chiefs gamebreakers, with their ability to strike from anywhere, ensured their team goes back to the top of the log ahead of the Stormers, who will remain top of the South African conference regardless of what happens in Durban on Saturday.

The Bulls did though bag a precious bonus point which could prove invaluable to them if they recover from this defeat and the long flight home to beat the Stormers in Pretoria next week. Not that it will be too much of a consolation to them as this was a game where they should have got four log points. It was one they gave away.

Well well well. Who does one believe - Mike or this journalist who seems to think the bulle should have won.

Sitting bulle it appears you guys got lucky!

SCORERS

Chiefs –Tries: Andrew Horrell, Asaeli Tikoirotuma, Sam Cane. Conversion: Aaron Cruden. Penalties: Aaron Cruden(3).

Vodacom Bulls – Try: Bjorn Basson . Conversion: Morne Steyn Drop goal: Morne Steyn. Penalties: Morne Steyn (4).

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 May 2012, 15:28
#5
25 May 2012, 15:28#5

Disagree, the Bulls had a massive edge in the rolling maul, I am not sure why the executed these so well for 95%of the process and then messed things up at the end. They seemed to control them so well then fail to convert the pressure into points.

They should have used the mauls more and scored points from them.

CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
25 May 2012, 15:37
#6
25 May 2012, 15:37#6

Been... whats with the copy and paste mate?

Very heavy!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2012, 15:46
#7
25 May 2012, 15:46#7

Chippo many here have not watched the game so we need some info. If its too long for you give it a skip.

Mike  seems to have been hard on the bulle. I plan to watch the game when I get home and will be very interested in who wins the forward battle.

SB
sitting bullClub Pro170 posts
25 May 2012, 15:48
#8
25 May 2012, 15:48#8

....Good luck Moonbean....Sharkies circling.....Mighty Chiefs way up here on top of Super XV mountain waiting to see if you can ketchup me little tomatoes...haha....

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2012, 15:55
#9
25 May 2012, 15:55#9

Hi there sitting bull youapear on cue!!! I trus tyou read the article and befroe you choke on your pipe read thsi as well. Chiefs far from convincing.

Ex keo

RYAN VREDE reports on a 28-22 victory for the Chiefs over the Bulls that leaves the three-time champions with little breathing room if they are to secure a home play-off.

The Bulls were acutely aware of the importance of victory in the context of their conference challenge, but they failed to negotiate a determined second half effort from the Chiefs, after being dominant for the opening half. They will hope the Sharks beat the Stormers in Durban tomorrow and also bank on teams close to them on the overall log dropping points. There is no panic just yet – they’ve finished strongly in recent years after coming off tour – but they cannot afford to drop many more points.

When their execution of their game plan is on point (which it was in the first half) few sides in the tournament could live with the Bulls. However, their inability to sustain their effort through 80 minutes cost them, as did numerous spurned opportunities early in the match.

There are still questions about Francois Hougaard’s kicking game, but tonight it was adequate. His shortcomings in this regard were made up for by Morné Steyn and Zane Kirchner’s competency in this facet of play. Their high kicks and a committed chase had the Chiefs’ back three looking like they were fielding grenades. This is an area the Hamilton franchise must address urgently if they are to be serious title contenders. (Please note sitting bull!)

Once in the Chiefs’ 22m the Bulls were a mix of efficient and disappointing. Steyn banked two penalties and a drop goal and a try from Bjorn Basson, who profited from poor defence from Lelia Masaga, gave the Bulls a deserved 16-8 lead at the break.

On defence, such was the power and accuracy of their gainline challenge that the Chiefs were made to look toothless. Their primary strike runners – Sonny Bill Williams included – seldom posed a threat. Indeed the Bulls would have been disappointed at the margin of their lead at that point, the Chiefs’ only try coming courtesy of an Akona Ndungane error and their aforementioned wastefulness in good positions lending further weight to this assertion.

Steyn and Aaron Cruden traded penalties after the break, but the Chiefs, galvanised by the injection of quality impact players, gradually found the momentum and synergy they lacked in the first 40. The Bulls remained resolute but their resistance waned going into the final quarter when Cruden found wing Asaeli Tikoirotuma with an inside ball that left him with a clear route to goal. Cruden added the extras for a lead that was short-lived, Steyn edging his side ahead with his fourth penalty of the match.

Then the turning point, and this time another Bulls error inside the Chiefs’ 22m cost them dearly. The hosts turned over possession and ran the ball 70m before earning a lineout. A quick feed caught the Bulls’ defensive line unset, and Williams exploited this, surging through a gap then offloading to put Same Cane clean through. Cruden sunk the conversion and the Bulls just never looked like they had the capacity for a telling rebuttal thereafter.

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2012, 15:57
#10
25 May 2012, 15:57#10

Sitting bull the Stormers are up against it with away matches agains the sharks and bulle and with a very much weakned loose trio. If we get through these two games we should be okay.

SB
sitting bullClub Pro170 posts
25 May 2012, 16:21
#11
25 May 2012, 16:21#11

...sitting bull does'nt need convincing Moonbean...sitting bull already convinced...Mighty Chiefs make many mistakes lose many lineouts, give dozy bulls ball and many kicks at goal and no Kahui but Mighty Chiefs win regardless....like our set moves Moonbean and how about the ref ....

NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
27 May 2012, 01:21
#12
27 May 2012, 01:21#12

LOL beeno copying and pasting reports from SA to support his claim that the Chiefs were unconvincing!  Thats like asking a KKK member to write a job reference for Nelson Mandela. LOL! Can you not see the conflict of interest?

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ChippoPro3,372 posts
27 May 2012, 02:21
#13
27 May 2012, 02:21#13

Ed...

How bout capping the amount Beeno can type?

Please Ed.

Else on day he is going to post the SARU annual for those who havent read it!

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