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The 30 years old older players needed adn not needed anymore

Started by clevermike6 REPLIES143 VIEWS· 30 Jun 2014, 11:16
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jun 2014, 11:16
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30 Jun 2014, 11:16#1

Players still needed in th Springbok set-up 


Bryan Habana,  Jean de Villiers,  Fourie du Preez,  Schalk Burger, Jannie du Plessis, Bismarck du Plessis


Players not needed anymore 


Zane Krichner, Jaqque Fourie, Morne Steyn, Ruan Pienaar, Willem Alberts, Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Gurthro Stenkamp,  


Summary


Of the above players to be retained most if not all should eb in the starting line up in the RC.   In the case of Fourie du Preez there need to be cover though - he is not going to last much longer so a younger player (please not Hougaard) needs to be brought into the system.   Habana, De Villiers and Burger was injury-prone this year and needs to be managed well.  Be it as it may there are adequae cover by younger players if the mentioned players get injured.


Of the players not needed anymore there are a number of better younger player available to take their places.   


*    Zane Kirchner can be replaced by players like Lambie and Boshoff

*   Jaque Fourie - although food in defence - shos nothinh in attack and has a serious speed deficiency.  Although we are thin on the ground here - there is cover here in the form of De Allende or even De Billiers

*   Morne Steyn was always a dubious flyhalf on international level - he is robotic and has no ball sense.  Both Pollard and Goosen are better than he is.

*   We need to start prparing for a replacement of Du Preez and Pienaar is not teh answer.

*   Willem Alberts is too limited a loosie and is a low work rate player - there are better 7's around.

*   Vixtor Matield is way past hi best amd his contribution  is limited to line outs - not physicallys trong enough to compete aon international level.

*   Bakkies Botha - plays for 15 minutes and vanish from the scene - not good enough anmymore

*   Gurthro Steenkamp - normally a penalty donating player assisting the opposition - his scrumming is not consistent and he is not really a key player.



 




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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Jun 2014, 11:30
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30 Jun 2014, 11:30#2
 
We have better than Jannie ... what are you talking about? We have better than Fourie Du Preez as well.

Bryan, Jean, Schalk and Bismarck I can live with.

Did you hear the crowd booo Kirchner? Why doesn't the fool take the hint and piss off.

Surely he knows by now that he's not wanted. Maybe' he's been reading too many of Faggot's posts.



 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jun 2014, 11:39
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30 Jun 2014, 11:39#3
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I am not happy with Jannie du Plessis  either - but I think a phasing plan would need to be put in to replace him.   think the logical plan would be to bring in Malherbe and use Jannie on the bench - phasing him out gradually.
I would also do the same with Fourie du Preez.  I think Meyer tried Hougaard on Saturday - but he was bloody awful.   I would say Reinach, De Klerk and Groom are better propositions.   Would prefer it is the mentioned players could be phased in.
I would a lso prefer Willemse to be in the phasing in process at lock         
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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
30 Jun 2014, 13:02
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30 Jun 2014, 13:02#4

Here is another oldie for you to consider:

Juan Smith

 

He had an outstanding european season and I would select him anyday ahead of Schalk Burger.

Schalk contributes nothing in the scrum and that is why his prop (mostly Coenie) struggles. I remember in the days of John Smit when PDivvie transformed him into a tighthead prop, John each time insisted that Juan must be his flank in the scrum. That combo made John a reasonable tighthead, but when John was back at the Sharks, he failed miserably, again proving the vale of Juan Smith.

The only other flank/eightman who could give this type of support to his tighthead prop is Philip van der Walt at the Cheetahs who turned WP Nel into a reasonable tighthead after all indications showing WP Nel is rather useless. 

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
30 Jun 2014, 13:20
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30 Jun 2014, 13:20#5
Juan is the best Bok flank of the professional era. One of the most consistent players I have ever seen! Not many top players can say they've been that consistent. Good point about the scrumming. I thought Burger would serve better as an 8, he started to operate as a very good link from 2007. Maybe that could be an option off the bench now. We don't have an established alternative to Duane.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Jun 2014, 13:34
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30 Jun 2014, 13:34#6
 
Ummmmm ... it's 2014 now.

Hellooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Catch a wake up, Buggered!!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jun 2014, 13:36
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30 Jun 2014, 13:36#7
 Blikkies
I was only dealing with players in Meyer's present squad when dealing with the over 30's.   Basically that is the reason for not including Juan Smith in the list.    The problem I have is that Smith ahs had no rugby in SA since 2011 and he went virtually directly to Toulon  after returning from injury.
I saw him playing for Toulon in the Heineken Dup final and was suitably impressed - but that remains on club level.   Yoo many Club players are drafted into the Springbok squad and then disappoints - like for instance Jaqque Fourie, Bakkies Botha, Gurthro Steenkamp, etc  -to make me confortable with naming a player as a Bok candidate - based purely on what he delivered 3 or 4  years ago.   I would like to see his performances at higher than club level - before really expressing an opinion.   
He may still be the answer - but the man will be before the start of the RC 33 years of age and is age wise way past his prime.   
However, if he still delivers the goods - good luck to him.  He cannot be worse than Willem Alberts in any event - even if he tries desperately h ard to be.  
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