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The All Blacks simply a cut above; by Chris Laidlaw . the ROAR

Started by Just_win11 REPLIES582 VIEWS· 20 Nov 2014, 08:31
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Nov 2014, 08:31
#1
20 Nov 2014, 08:31#1

People beyond New Zealand often ask me what exactly the point of difference is between the All Blacks and everybody else.

Is it simply skill level? Is it fitness? Is it tactical superiority? Or is it physicality, ball-playing instincts or that great reservoir of Polynesian talent?

Can it be the quality of coaching, mentoring, tradition, or all the other components of what now talk of as team ‘culture’?

I wish there was a simple answer to that. If there were, it would have been replicated by other teams easily enough by now.

However, if there is a way to answer, the answer would be that all of the factors above are simply at a stage marginally further advanced in New Zealand – and they all add up to a higher expectation of victory. And as we all know, expectation is fundamental to success.

Take the game last weekend between the All Blacks and Scotland. The Scots, with the best team they have fielded in years if not decades, could quite easily have won were it not for a couple of moments of fatal hesitancy which can be traced back to that lingering shortfall in expectation. You can hardly blame them. They have never beaten New Zealand and that weighs very heavily on the mind.

To a greater or lesser extent, the same maxim applies to every other international team that takes on New Zealand. In the back of the mind there is that draining thought that this might be beyond their capacity – no matter how well they play.

Australia is now locked into that mindset and it is going to take more than the occasional victory to overcome it. The drawn match earlier this season was Australia’s for the taking, but they too hesitated fatally toward the end.

One of the factors that drives this hesitancy home is the ability of the All Blacks to play for lengthy periods without the ball and without panicking, knowing that when a mistake yield a turnover, they throw everything they have at that opportunity. They often are prepared to take massive risks in doing so.

Opponents know that the All Blacks are simply waiting for them to falter and the more phases they go through without getting anywhere, the more their confidence drains away.

It’s mind-games stuff and it can be highly destructive. Of all the international teams who face the All Blacks, only the current Springboks seem to have the mental and physical resources to stay with them. The Springboks however still lack the finishing potency of the current New Zealand team.

The big question is, can the All Blacks maintain this margin through to the final of next year’s World Cup? Inevitably, New Zealand will go into the tournament as red hot favourites – perhaps a little too red hot for coach Steve Hansen’s liking.

Yet his squad, barring a major epidemic of injuries, will be a truly exceptional one -certainly stronger than those fielded in 2007 or 2011 – and with the shrewdest coach in the business.

The array of new and truly exceptional individual talent is staggering. Brodie Retallick for instance is the find of the century as a lock – now being spoken of with the same reverence as Colin Meads. Ben Smith is clearly the best outside back in the world, performing feats only the younger Brian Habana could perform.

Dane Coles is a remarkable athlete at hooker, already better value than any other player in the world in that position. Then there is Beauden Barrett who has the talent and the temperament to be a world beater and may turn out to be so if, as is likely, Dan Carter can’t find his former magic next year. And there’s the bonus of Sonny Bill Williams, back again, and better tuned this time.

Add these newcomers to the existing crop of world’s best players in many other positions – the likes of Aaron Smith, Kieran Read, Cory Jane, Malakai Fekitoa, or Israel Dagg, alongside the old guard of Carter, Richie McCaw, Conrad Smith, Jerome Kaino, Sam Whitelock, Keven Mealamu, Wyatt Crockett and the Franks brothers and you have a squad that simply doesn’t have any weaknesses.

But the joy of international rugby, its pesky unpredictability, the vagaries of refereeing, weather, excessive hospitality and injury can all conspire to produce a perverse outcome.

One thing is certain. If you put your money on anyone other than the All Blacks, you stand to win an awful lot.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Nov 2014, 08:34
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20 Nov 2014, 08:34#2
This sums up the current situation well. ABs and Boks ahead of the rest, have the ABs maxed their potential? Can the Boks max theirs (they haven't so far IMO). There are other teams in the pack behind the top 2 and anything can happen in the RWC.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Nov 2014, 08:45
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20 Nov 2014, 08:45#3
 
It starts at the top and works it's way down.

Everyone is in sync ... all the time.

We in South Africa go through periods where we have a series of poor coaches, one after the other. Then a quality coach is brought in but that's usually short-lived and then we're back to the Meyer's and Divvy's of the world.

Having government officials with large race chips on their shoulders insisting on quotas doesn't help the issue either.

New Zealand tend to make sure that the right man is selected as coach. I can't really think of a Divvy type EVER coaching the All Blacks.

They're professional. They take this very seriously ... not like us where mediocrity is the norm. Being slapdash is acceptable.

It's a miracle we beat them at all.

  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Nov 2014, 08:53
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20 Nov 2014, 08:53#4
CC: too true mate. 
Somehow the Boks are never far off the pace anyway - even with all the miss-management & all the other problems. Speaks well for the rugby tradition and quality of players in SA. Boks are always a challenge & if they ever get half the problems sorted out the rest of the rugby world will be in deep sH&t. 
In the m ean-time NZ rugby has to maximize everything to be at the top - so far we have. The rest is down to circumstances in any given game.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Nov 2014, 09:04
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20 Nov 2014, 09:04#5
 
I've been meaning to ask you ... you're a Kiwi living in northern Europe ... Poland?? ... how come??
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Nov 2014, 09:12
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20 Nov 2014, 09:12#6
What  complete and utter twaddle.Wee abs should have lost two tests in nz against England B but for ref errors. They should have lost the Bok test in nz but for ref errors. They should have lost the England B test at Twicks but for ref errors. Should have lost match by 4 points.
Boks were 20 points better than England but for ref errors. Compare that to the ref error adjusted score of a loss by 4 points by the abs.
They stole the RWC from the French via our own Craig Joubert!!! The list of tests won by the wee abs due to assisatnce from refs is enormous. No wonder wee mcaaaaw was booed by the pom fans! 
Is there anything wholesome about kiwi rugby?  Bring out your strongest magnifying glass and search hard.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Nov 2014, 09:22
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20 Nov 2014, 09:22#7
 Can one find a more delusional twit than chris laid low. He talks about the physicality of the pap abs! Bwahahahahahhahaha what a joke. About their fitness. How many times havenyt we seen the abs finishing the game on the ropes ala sbw!Sorry but ROAR should not publish this nonsense as it harms their ever lowering cred!BB do you want to be associated with these hlafwits?
Naturally the half witted kbbs and fellow travellors suck it all up being the delusional twits they are.
Man its a hilarious experience following the comments made about rugby by some mongs! Ben Smith the best outside back in the world -  My aching sides! 
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Nov 2014, 09:40
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20 Nov 2014, 09:40#8
 
I'm just wondering Beenie ... how much time do you think you've spent over the years attaching your silly little characters?




BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
20 Nov 2014, 10:11
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20 Nov 2014, 10:11#9

I have been saying this for many years, and I believe most South African supporter will agree with this.


New Zealand rugby has one goal, be the best international team in the world, they therefor have a synergy and cohesion that every system, structure and person involved in their rugby have a shared goal. You cannot have interplay, cohesion and players coming into a system and fit that seemlessly into it unless everyone is on the same page.


Their system therefor produces coaches and players that have a hunger to always look for the next "thing" that will evolve their game.


In contrast South Africa has f..all synergy, our coaches are protected and conservative by nature. We have nepotism running deep in our club structures, our provincial teams and the infighting and internal politics are all about the individuals themselves and what they can benefit financially or power wise.


Our franchises have their own agendas in mind and play antiquated game plans because the refuse to learn or improve their knowledge.


If you just compare the quality of NZ coaches to ours there is no comparison, hell half the countries now a days have a NZ coach.


No wonder we aren't developing skill levels or a cohesive way to play the game.


Just listen to the excuses of Meyer, he doesn't want to play certain youngsters because "they don't know our structures" what BS, you see a youngsters slot into the AB system like white on rice.


And then we have the elephant in the room, politics.


It is a wonder we rank 2nd in the world on a regular basis. Well perhaps it is because other countries have similar obstacles to us.


Dan Coles is touted by the author of this piece to now be better than Bismarck, the only reason why is because 14 other teammates are making him look world class.


Hell, this lot could make Earl Ro se look world class

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Nov 2014, 11:50
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20 Nov 2014, 11:50#10
There's another reason why the All Blacks are a cut above the Springboks.

Rugby is a game of pride, team spirit, self-belief and passion, which when all combined together is called "gees" in South Africa. In most sports, the team with the more skilful and talented players will generally win the contest but in rugby, it's generally the team with the most gees that wins.

I'm not saying football doesn't spring the occasional surprise in the FA Cup and in the league for example when a Stoke beats a Manchester City or a cricket team like Zimbabwe knocks over the Aussies, but in general terms, other sports are not as reliant on gees as rugby is.

So what's happened to the gees in the Springbok team? We've seen provincial and Super Rugby teams playing with plenty of gees . . . look no further than the Lions this season . . . but why is it lacking in the national team?

I reckon national pride has a lot to do with it. We might all sing the national anthem before a test match with our fists on our hearts and tears running down our cheeks but we're deluding ourselves. What do we as a nation have to be proud of since Nelson Mandela stepped out of office? Jacob Zuma? AIDS? Corruption? E-Tolling? ESKOM? Rape? The exchange rate? Murder? Taxis with no respect for other drivers? Litter? Beggars at every intersection? Race based BEE laws? Our legal system? Our jails? Nkandla? I could go on and on.

I'm not saying New Zealand is a perfect place but they have a lot more reason to be proud of their nation right now than we do. For a very small country with a relatively tiny population they punch well above their weight not just in rugby but in terms of Olympic medals, cricket and many other sports . . . and that national pride is very evident in the way the All Blacks play. Can we say the same? No, I don't think so.

Fix the country's real issues and we might see a lot more national pride which can be translated to more gees within the Springbok team.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Nov 2014, 12:41
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20 Nov 2014, 12:41#11
Loyts to be ashamed of about SA and please note rooitwit it went pear shaped with mandela and his rotten anc. Out of the pan into the fire we went. 
Problems in rugby are:Too many provinces - bad provincial structurePolitical interference leading to race based selections. Quota administrators, coaches and players. Refusal to adopt the merit principle. Weak rand leading to mass exodus of playersNo central contracting. Shocking managment of players workloads.
Too much bulle influence leading to departure from our roots. Being rectified.Refusal to get in the best coaches. Where are Jake, Mallent Venter and Rassie?
We have not successfully dealt with bent down under refs. Very serious problem as a great many tests and Super rugby matches have been lost as a result of bent down under refs. 
Conclusion - no other country could achieve what we do in the circumstances. However to once again rule world rugby consistentlyas we should the above issues must be addressed. CC a picture can convey things more quickly than words. 


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Nov 2014, 12:46
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20 Nov 2014, 12:46#12
 
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