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The Boks will wallop Wales

Started by Beeno15 REPLIES188 VIEWS· 09 Nov 2013, 10:05
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Nov 2013, 10:05
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09 Nov 2013, 10:05#1

Ex Keo

The world’s best two sides will flex their muscle this weekend and win easily in Cardiff and Paris respectively.

The Springboks will beat Wales by at least 10 points and the All Blacks will win in Paris by at least 15 points.

But I have suspicion this could be the weekend when Italy gets one over the woeful Wallabies.

Italy have to believe it is possible and they can win. Better Wallabies teams, with better coaches, have struggled against Italy in Italy.

If you going to take a punt on a result that historically would seem wrong, do so on the Italian match.

England will beat Argentina and Ireland will beat Samoa.

How the bookies view the game

How former All Blacks coach and SuperSport analyst John Mitchell views the game

SARugbymag.co.za Springboks v Wales preview with teams

South Africa’s challenge will be more themselves than the opposition in Cardiff. The same applies to New Zealand in Paris.

There isn’t much confidence coming from within either the French or Welsh camps and there isn’t much bluster coming from their media. Traditionally there is.

Fourie du Preez ana Morne Steyn’s tactical kicking game will be decisive in Cardiff and while Wales can match the Springboks in the scrum and at lineouts I don’t see them matching the Boks physically for 80 minutes in the collisions.

I am saying all of this, more in the hope, that Flip van der Merwe actually doesn’t get yellow carded or that the Bok players don’t again disappoint with their discipline.

If 15 Boks play for 80 minutes against 15 Welshmen there will be a comfortable 10 point advantage to the Boks, whose biggest tour match will be in Paris.

The All Blacks biggest tour match will be against England at Twickenham and not against the French in Paris.

The last couple of times the All Blacks have played in Paris they’ve brushed aside the French, and Saturday night won’t be any different.

It is going to be a feast of rugby on Saturday with SuperSport showing five matches live and televising one delayed.

Italy vs Australia
Kick-off: 16:30
Channel: SS8

England vs Argentina
Kick-off: 16:30
Channels: SS1/HD1/CSN

Wales vs Springboks
Kick-off: 19:30
Channels: SS1/HD1/M-Net

Ireland vs Samoa
Kick-off: 19:30
Channels: SS8/CSN

France vs All Blacks
Kick-off: 22:00
Channels: SS1/HD1/CSN

Scotland vs Japan
Kick-off: 22:00 (delayed)
Channel: SS8


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Nov 2013, 10:09
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09 Nov 2013, 10:09#2
 ON CARDINELLI analyses the key match-ups and picks the winner of the Test in Cardiff.

The series win aside, what did the British & Irish Lions achieve in Australia this past June? Did they close the gap between the two hemispheres in the space of three weeks, or did they simply beat one of the worst Wallabies teams of the past decade?

The latter is more likely. Indeed, the subsequent Rugby Championship has put that Lions series in perspective.

When you consider how far this Wallabies side has fallen, how easily they were physically dismantled by the All Blacks and Springboks, and so nearly by Argentina, you can understand how the Lions were able to break their losing streak.

There needed to be perspective after that series, and there also needs to be perspective ahead of the coming block of games in the northern hemisphere.

Many players may have drawn confidence from the Lions' victory, but the reality is teams like Wales still have a long way to go before they can threaten the south's supremacy.

It is not arrogance to expect a Bok win in Cardiff this Saturday. The South Africans threw everything at New Zealand in the Rugby Championship, and ultimately the All Blacks proved exactly why they are the No 1 side on the planet. That is the standard to which every other nation must aspire.(What complete rubbish we won the stats and only lost the last match because of some silly UNFORCED errors. we are ahead of the abs on all but the scoreboard and that will chanmge next year given a decent ref!!!!)

The Boks are not the best in the world, but they are operating at another level of competency compared to others in the chasing pack. If there's a gap between No 1 and 2 in the world rankings,there's an even bigger gap between No 2 and the rest of the would-be contenders.

WHEN HOPE IS NOT ENOUGH

There will be 74,000 Welsh hopefuls crammed into the majestic Millennium Stadium this Saturday. That unique atmosphere, which should be amplified by the roof being closed, will galvanise the hosts, as it has done on so many previous occasions. Unfortunately, it won't be enough to get the Welsh over the line.

Heyneke Meyer has said that he wants his side to acclimatise to conditions that will be similar to those experienced at the 2015 World Cup. He will be disappointed that the roof is closed for this fixture and that the Boks are denied that opportunity. However, if one is to look at this game as just a one-off, a closed roof and a dry pitch will suit the South Africans more than Welsh.

Wales assistant coach Rob Howley said on Thursday that his side will need to play at the same pace and intensity as their southern hemisphere opponents. At the same time, Wales will also have to live with the Boks' physicality.

They have managed to do so before, but on this occasion they're up against a Bok side that has hit some form. The Boks will also be boosted by the return of several experienced players. Jaque Fourie will plug the midfield hole in the No 13 channel, and JP Pietersen will bring more versatility to the right wing position than Willie le Roux.

THE WINNING FORMULA

The Boks boast the best halfback combination in the world as far as tactical kicking is concerned. Pat Lambie gives the Boks another solid tactical-kicking option at the back, and he will also have a role to play on attack.

The belief in the Bok side has been the difference in recent games that have gone to the wire. The mental steel that runs through this team will once again be significant as far as taking control of Saturday's contest if concerned, although I don't think the Boks will allow the Welsh to get too close on the scoreboard.

The Boks have the pack to win the gainline battle, and an openside that should be more than equal to Wales and Lions captain Sam Warburton. Francois Louw was one of the standout performers in the Rugby Championship, and as a resident at English club Bath, he is at home in northern hemisphere conditions and attuned to the demands of the region's referees.

Fourie du Preez and Morrné Steyn will convert the forward dominance into territory, and Steyn will take that further in translating field position into scoreboard supemacy.

Wales have the stars in Warburton, Leigh Halfpenny, George North and Jonathan Davies to trouble South Africa in a less-structured game. If the Boks can maintain control and force Wales to take them on directly, then the tourists will win comfortably. And if they don't succeed in dictating the flow of play, well, history tells us the Boks will at the very least finish on the right side of the result.

Meyer's men will pick up an important victory this Saturday, while Gatland's Wales will add yet another loss to their abject record against southern hemisphere opponents.

Like death and taxes, the lack of Welsh conviction in a Dragons vs Boks contest is something that doesn't ever change.

MY CALL: Boks by 9
Our team's predictions
What the bookies say

Springboks – 15 Pat Lambie, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Flip van der Merwe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Gurthrö Steenkamp, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20 Siya Kolisi, 21 Ruan Pienaar, 22 JJ Engelbrecht, 23 Willie le Roux.

Wales – 15 Leigh Halfpenny, 14 George North, 13 Jonathan Davies, 12 Scott Williams, 11 Liam Williams, 10 Rhys Priestland, 9 Mike Phillips, 8 Toby Faletau, 7 Sam Warburton (c), 6 Dan Lydiate, 5 Alun Wyn Jones, 4 Bradley Davies, 3 Adam Jones, 2 Richard Hibbard, 1 Gethin Jenkins.
Subs: 16 Ken Owens, 17 Paul James, 18 Scott Andrews, 19 Luke Charteris, 20 Justin Tipuric, 21 Lloyd Williams, 22 James Hook, 23 Ashley Beck.

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
09 Nov 2013, 11:38
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09 Nov 2013, 11:38#3

 Bean Brain sounds like arrogance to me mate . You wanna try and be a bit more modest like us kiwis. Remember before the WP vs Sharks game you also posted your team would thump the Sharks....talk about the kiss of death...lol

 

Do the wee boks a favour and try not to be such a jinx buddy...it's gunna be difficult enough as it is with all those undisciplined boks in the bin. Not sure how you can reverse the curse now though mate...you may have already sealed their fate...

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Nov 2013, 12:40
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09 Nov 2013, 12:40#4
Brycy: good advice mate! 
It is important that we provide guidance to the fans of the second ranked team in the world it is a responsibility not just a burden 
I picked the Boks by 10 over Wales but I did this before the teams were picked. The pundits have called it  closer by far & many avid bok fans are also not so optimistic.
Of course we always have the added suspense of: can the boks keep 15 men on the field? Here again the Mighty All Blacks offer inspiration as our fair play & strict adherence to the rules means we don't get as many yellow cards. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Nov 2013, 14:56
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09 Nov 2013, 14:56#5
 With that geriatric Bok backline, they would struggle to wallop Namibia!
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
09 Nov 2013, 15:08
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09 Nov 2013, 15:08#6
Keo is, as always, wildly amiss. Whallop Wales, in their own sanctum? It's this arrogance that leads South Africans to disappointments, and on the basis of the Ellis Park disaster.  In reality, it's going to be a tough and gritty test and the more accurate of the two will come out on top. That already leaves an uneasy feeling in the belly for this bok team is not the sturdiest I have seen. They'll need to rediscover that hard edge and over-power Wales. They'll raise their physicality significantly and have already nearly left us undone in that department in no less than four consecutive tests! But alas, Keohane believes we must take that Ellis Park template, run from deep, never kick, frantically recycle and strain our attack, bludgeon on with a disheveled set piece presence that was beneath amateur rugby. Each to their own, but the challenge remains the same regardless.
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