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The conduct of Referees

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 May 2018, 18:34
#1
08 May 2018, 18:34#1

The following from News24:-


"A popular New Zealand scribe says the standard of refereeing in the southern hemisphere "is in crisis" with officials "allowing players to cheat".

Mark Reason, who writes for New Zealand’s Stuff.co.nz website, took a swipe at his own countrymen in a hard-hitting column published over the weekend.

“The cheating in Super Rugby has reached epidemic proportions and it is making the game almost unwatchable. And sad to say New Zealand and Australian teams are comfortably the worst offenders,” Reason wrote.

He gave examples of the previous weekend’s Super Rugby action and his analysis was less than flattering for his compatriots.

“Last weekend all four New Zealand teams (the Chiefs were on a bye) routinely and repeatedly infringed whenever the opposition came close to the line. It was clearly coached cheating,” Reason noted.

He added that Super Rugby’s top brass should consider a ‘red zone’ where the referee is allowed to send a player off permanently for continued infringements close to his own tryline.

Reason was particularly scathing of New Zealand's Glen Jackson, who refereed the Bulls v Highlanders game in Pretoria.

The Kiwi side won 29-28 after a last-gasp penalty from flyhalf Lima Sopoaga.

Reason argued: “Glen Jackson had an absolute disaster in South Africa. A referee I spoke to is still looking for the offside at the end of the game. But that is not to take into account everything that went before.

“To give the Highlanders the chance to win off the most marginal offside in a non-threatening part of the pitch was lamentable when you consider the end of the first half. The Bulls were hammering away at the line. Jackson Hemopo blatantly pulled down the lineout maul. The Bulls hammer on, the Highlanders stream up offside, nothing given. Even before that Jackson had failed to give the Highlanders tighthead a yellow card for repeated offences. Why?

“In the second half Lima Sopoaga twice infringed quite blatantly on his own line. On the first occasion he rushed up the side of a ruck to try to disrupt play. On the second occasion he lay on the ball so that the Bulls could not gain quick possession. He should not even have been on the pitch to kick the winning goal, but Jackson did not even give a penalty. Even the frostiest man of Otago would admit that the Bulls were absolutely dudded.”

Reason also criticised Kiwi referee Paul Williams’ handling of Blues v Jaguares match in Auckland.

“At the end of the half the Blues committed four consecutive penalty offences in added on time. But Williams had already penalised them for repeated infringing at the start of the half. So instead of escalating the punishment, he did nothing. And that is the weakness that sides rely on. They infringe early on, knowing the ref will give up.”

In his column, Reason continued to give examples where referees were lenient on New Zealand players.

The referees’ unwillingness to penalise players for standing off-side also got the Kiwi writer hot under the collar.

“That's what the All Blacks do. They vicariously bully and cheat in the name of patriotism. But they are now in jeopardy. As we found out in the Lions series - and it cost the All Blacks the series - what they get away with in Super Rugby doesn't fly with many northern hemisphere refs.”

South African referee Jaco Peyper, who refereed the Brumbies v Crusaders clash in Canberra, was also not spared by Reason.

He said Peyper’s refereeing “came close to bringing the game into disrepute”.

“He failed to yellow card the Brumbies blindside for a shoulder charge that could have broken Ryan Crotty's collar bone. His refereeing of the offside line, both ways, was erratic. Referees have to give a loud and clear early message.

“But a Brumby who made a try-saving tackle, running back from a position 15 metres offside, was not even penalised. And Peyper penalised the Brumbies scrum early on for a knee on the ground, but failed to apply the consistent sanction to Owen Franks when he twice did the same thing. But the biggest scandal was the failure to send off Chance Peni for his grotesque and possibly career ending tackle on Israel Dagg.”


Reason is from NZ and one wonders what our NZ friends are going to say about this one.


CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
08 May 2018, 18:57
#2
08 May 2018, 18:57#2

Reasons a Pom, and he only writes click bait articles and you fell for it.

He does live in NZ but that doesnt make him a K iwi

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 May 2018, 19:02
#3
08 May 2018, 19:02#3

ABF 

I fell for nothing - just posted the article for discussion.   Must admit Jackson was terrible in the Bulls - Highlanders game.   

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 May 2018, 19:56
#4
08 May 2018, 19:56#4

Maaik, Jackson was terrible  in the Stormers match too. Probably felt bad after shafting them Bools the previous week. 

Kiwis will start complaining more about the reffs as soon as NZ teams start to lose more. Easy to be a good sport when the rub of the green is with you most of the time.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,255 posts
09 May 2018, 02:18
#5
09 May 2018, 02:18#5
This is the first actual official acknowledgement I have seen from the New Zealand nation to acknowledge their cheating epidemic. Mark Reason, sounds like a reasonable chap, even more, reasonable than Justin Marshall.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 02:30
#6
09 May 2018, 02:30#6

Haha

"Coached cheating"

Nuf said.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 May 2018, 03:54
#7
09 May 2018, 03:54#7

Cloudy

I am very unhappy with the latest turn of events on the site and should not have posted the above newspaper report om site.   The members supporting NZ teams is being attacked wholesale and as I respect you in  particular highly - the situation is tio my mind not acceptable.

I know the Reason background and should have accepted that he is a POM. so I should have known what would be forthcoming in this case.

However, there is a lingering degree of bitterness about the reffing debacles by NZ referees and Jackson in particular,   He was atrocious in Pretoria and some saw him as bad in Cape Town as well.      .

I think as far as I could determine  - that Jackson is not involved in reffing of any games involving SA teams this weekend and Sanzaar may have decided  to give him a rest after two desperately poor reffing efforts by him.     

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
09 May 2018, 07:51
#8
09 May 2018, 07:51#8
Reason’s old man was a sports reporter too who made it his life long goal to denegrate anything the ABs did. Like father, like son. Stephen Jones in the Daily Telegraph is another cut from the same cloth. Can’t find anything interesting to write about so they resort to sensationalism to justify their wages.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
09 May 2018, 08:38
#9
09 May 2018, 08:38#9

Haaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaa!!

Cheating kiwi players ... cheating kiwi refs ... and all defended buy the Kiwis fans.

What a shock!! It's their right, you know. On and off the field. A law unto themselves.

Players get away with murder during the game ... ask McCaw and Read ... while others are allowed to shoulder charge an opponent head high, nearly taking his head off ... knowing full well that he'll get away with a reduced suspension ... if any at all.

If things get a  little rough on the field they'll have an official warning issued.

An entire stadium roars with delight after a legitimate tackle on Carter by Bismarck sees him red carded.

They can't even fund a competition like the SR themselves.

Sponges.

What a disgraceful people.

 
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
09 May 2018, 08:49
#10
09 May 2018, 08:49#10
Disgraceful = Last 2 RWCs. I know it hurts..... Is that spongers with a silent “r”??
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 May 2018, 09:51
#11
09 May 2018, 09:51#11

We have a few poor Saffa reffs too.

Peyper

Berry

Vd Westhuizen?


BTW, I used to like Jackson as a reff, but he made a few errors lately. He will however learn from his mistakes and become a better reff.

Steve Walsh is a prime example. He started off poorly, on and off the pitch, but he ended up quite a decent reff in the end. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 09:53
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09 May 2018, 09:53#12

More smoke...but I assure you sir, there is NO fire.


:) :) :)

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 10:44
#13
09 May 2018, 10:44#13

So...Mark Reason has never said ANYTHING good about NZ and should go HOME...


I guess this must be a different Mark Reason then.

Are we just resorting to flat out lies now?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/93762336/mark-reason-all-blacks-and-lions-deliver-test-for-the-ages-in-eden-park-spectacle

Just so many paradoxes and contradictions huh Misty?

How on earth could he have said all those positive things yet now claim cheating?

How dare he be objective and comment on each situation individually?

Like, how could I disagree with you yet not be a sexist?

Forget that!

Just comment on the article please.


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 10:49
#14
09 May 2018, 10:49#14

Guess who...


Fairfax New Zealand columnist Mark Reason said both teams played their part in a showpiece for Southern Hemisphere rugby.

"(They) play the game with a joy and ambition that puts the grubby, sunless clubs of the Northern Hemisphere to shame," he wrote.

"New Zealand and Australia shone a light upon the world in a match that will rank amongst the best in rugby history."

How dare he! How bloody we'll dare he!!!???

OMG the Egg. The mountains of egg! 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 10:56
#15
09 May 2018, 10:56#15
paradox?par?d?ks/noun
  1. a seemingly absurd or contradictory statement or proposition which when investigated may prove to be well founded or true."the uncertainty principle leads to all sorts of paradoxes, like the particles being in two places at once"
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 11:00
#16
09 May 2018, 11:00#16

Here's Mark Reason absolutely salting Dan Carter.

Oh no wait...he's heaping praise on him actually.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/103430501/mark-reason-enjoy-the-genius-of-dan-carter-while-you-can

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 11:05
#17
09 May 2018, 11:05#17

Just a brief quote from the article...

"Carter is for me the greatest number 10 of all time"


Send this guy home now. He hates NZ players!

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 11:09
#18
09 May 2018, 11:09#18

Here's the Kiwi hater R eason punting the Black Caps as potential WC winners.

The hate this guy has for NZ knows no bounds.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/100555579/mark-reason-this-new-zealand-side-is-good-enough-to-win-world-cups

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 11:15
#19
09 May 2018, 11:15#19

I'll stop now. 

I'll stop because Moola and Cloudy have proved exactly the point I was trying to make.

In anticipation of their comeback;

Reason says positive things sometimes so he can hide his true agenda...which is to say as many negative things about Kiwis as possible.

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
09 May 2018, 11:16
#20
09 May 2018, 11:16#20

Cherry picking well known pommy git reason doesnt make him anything worth quoting .

And if this is all you can come up with to explain a decade of butt-kickings then you should check out all the flat earth sites.

I thought you Saffas were supposed to be dour ,taciturn blokes.Turns out some of you could whinge for South Africa and after a suitable qualifying period ,for England home of the pommy whinger .

So plum hows those lions eh ? Butt-hurt much ? you and that cc arse ?

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 11:35
#21
09 May 2018, 11:35#21

Nah WD

Just pointing out that he HAS said positive things. Declaring someone the greatest of ALL time is beyond positive.

Quite different to NEVER, no?

And it wasn't me whinging. It was a sports journalist. I'm just replying to comments...objectively :):):)

Anyway, just shaking the tree man.

Oh, go and read my reply to you on the other thread. Posted story there about Krige that you might find amusing.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 11:36
#22
09 May 2018, 11:36#22

Indeed WD

Butt aches like the first night in lockup.

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
09 May 2018, 11:42
#23
09 May 2018, 11:42#23
Plum, you obviously don’t work. Have you ever had a job and I mean a proper job; you sound like a teacher...
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 11:47
#24
09 May 2018, 11:47#24

Lol Nah Moola, I'm unemployed and live in my mom's basement.

She feeds me regularly and makes sure not to disturb my long showers.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 12:24
#25
09 May 2018, 12:24#25

Man stands in front of a judge.

Judge says "You again? Stealing, i assume?"

Accused replies "Judge, i NEVER steal."

Judge responds "I refer you back to both 2012 and 2016 where you were arrested, charged and convicted of theft."

Accused replies "Oh now you're just cherry picking!"



WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
09 May 2018, 12:29
#26
09 May 2018, 12:29#26

Mark reason has very little good to say about NZ rugby and he inherited it from his arse of a father.

Objectively ? Bullshit your just cherry picking the usual confirmation bias at play.

If you ,cc and beandick [ and of late wee mikey] are in any way indicative  of the victim mentality inherent in some SA rugby fans RE:the ABS then one hopes it hasnt infected your rugby players.

Else the once great rivalry between t he ABs and Boks will be like the fucking snows of yesteryear ,you will win the odd game here and there and even a series win maybe but never consistantly.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 12:35
#27
09 May 2018, 12:35#27

Wardad the word NEVER was used.

You've now amended it to very little.

Just to confirm...are you saying its only smoke and there's certainly no fire?

Go back to the match thread.

You'll see that during the game i listed multiple occurrences which have somehow now also made it into an article down your way.

At some point you are going to have to do more than site whinging.

That's two separate sources...seeing and reporting the same thing.

So its not just CC, Beeno, and Mike and myself.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 May 2018, 12:36
#28
09 May 2018, 12:36#28

WD, sadly our winning days against you lot are all but over for the foreseeable future. 

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
09 May 2018, 12:41
#29
09 May 2018, 12:41#29

Plum you might want to get someone to read for you I NEVER  said never .

Hi Cloudy !Yeah its just bloody nonsense.

True Mr Draad but I dearly hope it isnt so ,but I reckon the Poms away from that arse of an arena at Twickenham will get a kicking from your lads.

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
09 May 2018, 12:45
#30
09 May 2018, 12:45#30

Oh and plum I reckon your just full of shit and envy in no  particular order .Notice how most of the Kiwi posters here dont feel the need to try and tear down your teams or country ? At least not in the volume coming from you and your buds.

Like I said before winners are grinners and the rest can kiss my lovely arse.


WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
09 May 2018, 12:47
#31
09 May 2018, 12:47#31

Yes indeed Cloudy ,I reckon that spell check and Google has covered up some very big cracks in some very small intellects.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 12:47
#32
09 May 2018, 12:47#32
aaaaaah i see.

Reason said something negative about NZ so automatically qualifies for a-hole status.

He must have followed my guide on how to be declared an A-hole :/

There's a theme here. You wont get much for spotting it, since its pretty obvious.

Feigning intellect huh Roxy? So rich!


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 12:52
#33
09 May 2018, 12:52#33

"Maybe you should read some of the things he's said rather than written that hasn't made google. What a joke"

umm is this English?

Care to clarify?

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 12:57
#34
09 May 2018, 12:57#34

Somewhere over the ocean

Her knickers are in a twist

She rambles, she spews

All cos i'm on her list




BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 May 2018, 13:01
#35
09 May 2018, 13:01#35

Cloudy why are you fighting with everyone like this!!!



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 13:04
#36
09 May 2018, 13:04#36

Cloudy, if you ask nicely i'll tell you the story about the burning of the ship for the final scene almost went horribly wrong despite my best advice.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 13:07
#37
09 May 2018, 13:07#37

Cloudy

I M Y's, Y's N UR I's N UR I's R o N ME

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 May 2018, 13:07
#38
09 May 2018, 13:07#38

Is that your way of asking nicely?

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 May 2018, 13:12
#39
09 May 2018, 13:12#39

Hate that all the kbbs would leave! Promise to be good!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
09 May 2018, 13:18
#40
09 May 2018, 13:18#40

Plum as I said before is just eaten up with envy ,sad really but what can you do ?

And so where did you see me write never plum ? Liar as well eh or is it just more of your made up shit.

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