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The dangerous tackle on French wing Remy Grosso

Started by Mozart20 REPLIES789 VIEWS· 12 Jun 2018, 03:24
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jun 2018, 03:24
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12 Jun 2018, 03:24#1
Remy Grosso sustained a double skull fracture after tandem tackles by All Blacks Sam Cane and Ofa Tu’ungafasi. Cane was penalized, but apparently even the French camp accept it was acccidental. It probably was and I see little wrong with Cane's reflex arm tackle that a penalty doesn't cover. That couldn't have caused any skull cracks. But the head butt tackle by Ofa is an accident waiting to happen, and now it has. It's incumbent on the tackler to keep his head away from the runner. This was never an issue when tackling was lower. But when the top of a tackler's head is thrust into the face of a runner, only bad things can happen. I don't see Oz or the Boks making this kind of tackle, but some ABs, notably Franks have been regular proponents of this style. Technically it doesn't appear to be a transgression as long as the body is grasped below the shoulders.....but the head on head contact is very dangerous as we have now seen. In this type of tackle the head is used to intimidate. It needs to be stopped. The obsession with harmless neck rolls, but completely oblivious reaction to the head butt tackle, shows a lack of appreciation of the true risks.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Jun 2018, 03:32
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12 Jun 2018, 03:32#2

Oh Dearie, Batten down, you've just upset sensitivities hahahahaha

Jou stoute kind

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jun 2018, 03:38
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12 Jun 2018, 03:38#3
Denny I have been warning against this for some time. This is what I presciently said earlier this year: Mar 26, 2018, 15:21 'You are out of date Chabal....the reason players don't go low in phase tackling is to kill the offload. The problem occurs when outside centres and wings fail to go low when the tackle has to be made.....ala Jessie Kriel against Japan. Somewhere between bog standard phase tackling and one on one tackling out wide you have to switch to the conventional low tackle. The most dangerous tackle that isn't called is the head butt tackle, a specialty of the Franks' brothers. It's not shoulder to head...but head to head.....viewed as accidental, but often it isn't.'
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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
12 Jun 2018, 04:52
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12 Jun 2018, 04:52#4

Hi Moz,

I agree with your message. This technique, in the circumstances as outlined by you is actually taught to junior coaches as a directive of AR (Australian Rugby). I've been coaching junior rugby for 6 years with the minimum required credentials. I recently up-skilled and this is what is taught.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jun 2018, 05:57
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12 Jun 2018, 05:57#5
I'm genuinely shocked to hear that MB.
MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
12 Jun 2018, 06:25
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12 Jun 2018, 06:25#6

Yes, but we also teach the kids how to tackle as DDA should have on Mike Brown . The boys are at U14's now, they had that technique down pact at U12's.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Jun 2018, 09:35
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12 Jun 2018, 09:35#7

Anyone know how medics tested for skull fractures on the battle field during the middle ages? 

They'd make you put your thumb in your mouth and blow on it as hard as possible. 

If they heard a hissing noise then you had a sku ll fracture.

How painful must that have been.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jun 2018, 10:01
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12 Jun 2018, 10:01#8

Why was the French player carded when he made a perfectly legal tackle and Tu'ungafasi got away with nothing bar a penalty.

There are already question marks about NZ rugby players being dirty and using questionable techniques like Kung Fu kicks to the face and now head butting - so why was no action taken in this case.   I have seen many players carded for exactly the same thing  - but apparently it would not happen when NZ players are involved.  

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
12 Jun 2018, 11:07
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12 Jun 2018, 11:07#9

Oh get a life Mike, even the French coach came out and said it was a straight out accident. Are you trying to say that he was intentionally trying to headbutt him?

You have obviously never seen a headbutt then and are just being the usual argumentative trolling prick that your known as on here

And if you want to blame someone for the yellow card the french got try blaming the Pommy ref that over reacted.

I bet if it was your ball you would have crawled off home because its not fair at the 50th minute. You really are scrapping the bottom of the barrel at trying to bring the ABs down. Face it you team is shit and no matter how many excuses you come up with to make you feel better nothings going to change.

Fark it, I am going to do something I have never done before, I am going to support the bloody Poms this weekend as I find them less obnoxious than you. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jun 2018, 13:31
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12 Jun 2018, 13:31#10

CF

Please don't be upset about what I have written.   The fish has bitten.

I agree with you about the Pommie ref about the carding of the French player.   It obviously was a Pom ref mistake and it was clearly shown on replays as not being a neck high tackle.

As to the Franks incident - I think it was an accident - but I also think Franks should have been more careful in what he did.   Carelessness in rugby is a problem and what he did negated the requirement to be careful.   fact is he was lucky not be carded in the relevant case.  

    

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Jun 2018, 13:56
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12 Jun 2018, 13:56#11

Mike's on roll this week.


 

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
12 Jun 2018, 14:26
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12 Jun 2018, 14:26#12

Yep and he has bitten straight back

I do like this forum as there is plenty of baiting, always good for a laugh

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Jun 2018, 14:43
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12 Jun 2018, 14:43#13

Well said old crust fan was begining to think you were a snowflake like poor dense denise!!!!!!!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Jun 2018, 14:44
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12 Jun 2018, 14:44#14

Mostly at you're expense but a laugh nonetheless.

Just don't cry to hard over your SR trophy this year

Actually half looking forward to the RC. Both Oz and SA will hopefully be better. 

I have a feeling OZ are gonna do a lot better than expected.

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
12 Jun 2018, 15:27
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12 Jun 2018, 15:27#15

Tears of joy when Sam holds the trophy aloft yet again is the only crying I will be doing.

But possibly tears of laughter as well when the Jags finish top of your conference and no SA team gets passed the quarters hahahaha

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jun 2018, 15:37
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12 Jun 2018, 15:37#16
Real men don't cry.
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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
12 Jun 2018, 16:16
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12 Jun 2018, 16:16#17

They do when they laugh at Saffas. NZ men have been laughing at you lot for over a hundred years now. We are still waiting for you to find one player thats fit to polish an All Blacks boots

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
12 Jun 2018, 16:19
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12 Jun 2018, 16:19#18

Well Plum you know what they say once you hit rock bottom the only way is up and you cant be any worse in th RC than last year surely

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jun 2018, 16:44
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12 Jun 2018, 16:44#19
And NZ women haven't laughed...perhaps the attraction of men who don't cry? But check your facts, were you laughing in 1937, 1949, 1960, 1970, 1976, 1986, 1995, 1999, 2007, 2009. Hell before you got help from the Pacific Islands it took you 35 years to register your first win. LMAOFY&Y!
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WardadPro6,663 posts
14 Jun 2018, 02:00
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14 Jun 2018, 02:00#20

Having head butted the odd git when having a wee stoush I can tell you right now Moz you dont go for skull to skull contact but forehead to the nice ssquishy nose parts.

Unless your Tony Stark suited up no bastard would aim is skull at someone elses its just asking to fracture your own bonce.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jun 2018, 04:57
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14 Jun 2018, 04:57#21
Actually even when one was in a 'free scrap' back in school with a circle of baying onlookers.....the best tactic was usually your hardest punch delivered to the nose of your opponent. But when I say head to head....it is mostly head to face I'm describing.
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