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The depth we have standing 3 deep ...

Started by CleanCut16 REPLIES728 VIEWS· 08 Mar 2018, 08:57
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
08 Mar 2018, 08:57
#1
08 Mar 2018, 08:57#1


LOOSEHEAD PROP - Kitshoff, Dylan Smith, Jacques van Rooyen, Tank Du Toit


HOOKER - Marx, Acker vd Merwe, Marutllule, Bismarck


TIGHTHEAD PROP - Louw, Koch, Jannie Du Plessie (only kidding), Malherbe, Coennie (not an option I would ever consider


LOCK - Etzebeth, PSDT, Mostert, Snyman, Schickerling, Willemse, Lood De Jager


OPENSIDE FLANK - Jaco Kriel, Chris Cloete, Kwagga Smith, Roelof Smit, Frans Louw


BLINDSIDE FLANK - Mostert, PSDT, Jean-Luc Du Preez, Philip vd Walt, Wiese, Ruan Ackermann


8TH MAN - Dan Du Preez, Whiteley, Ruan Ackermann, Vermeulen, Augustus


SCRUMMIE - Faf de Klerk, Ross Cronje, Van Zyl, Papier, Shaun Venter


FLYHALF - Pollard, Willemse, Du Preez, Lambie,


WINGS - Nkosi, Combrinck, Ismael, Ulengo, Van Wyk, Mapimpi, Dyantyi,


CENTRES - Rohan Janse van Rensburg, Vorster, Odendaal, Venter, Am, Swanepoel, Mapoe, Jackson


FULLBACK - Gelant, Marais, Willie, Coetzee, Mvovo, Mahuza

and as you can see there aren't many northern hemisphere players in my list as I seriously no longer consider them competitive.

We can put a potent side together from the above list of players.

I hope I haven't forgotten anyone.



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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
08 Mar 2018, 12:54
#2
08 Mar 2018, 12:54#2
The obvious big weakness is as at Scrum-Half, Faf is good but can sometimes be a bit erratic but even with that he's better than other options.

Also with Jaco Kriel out for another 6 months, we really have no idea how he'll come back or if he's a shadow of the player he was, fingers crossed that he recovers okay. 

Not a fan of Marcell Coetzee?
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Mar 2018, 19:04
#3
08 Mar 2018, 19:04#3

Not a bad group there CC. Glad to see Dreyer not included. I can live with a team picked from that lot.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Mar 2018, 19:19
#4
08 Mar 2018, 19:19#4

CC 

There are some players you dislike which may also feature,    

Lets see what the rest of SR produces;

Careful now - Mozart will have a fit/   There are according  to him there is according to him mo talent in SA and many of the names given was not spotted by him first,    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Mar 2018, 19:19
#5
08 Mar 2018, 19:19#5

CC 

There are some players you dislike which may also feature,    

Lets see what the rest of SR produces;

Careful now - Mozart will have a fit/   There are according  to him there is according to him mo talent in SA and many of the names given was not spotted by him first,    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Mar 2018, 19:19
#6
08 Mar 2018, 19:19#6

CC 

There are some players you dislike which may also feature,    

Lets see what the rest of SR produces;

Careful now - Mozart will have a fit/   There are according  to him there is according to him mo talent in SA and many of the names given was not spotted by him first,    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Mar 2018, 19:19
#7
08 Mar 2018, 19:19#7

CC 

There are some players you dislike which may also feature,    

Lets see what the rest of SR produces;

Careful now - Mozart will have a fit/   There are according  to him there is according to him mo talent in SA and many of the names given was not spotted by him first,    

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Mar 2018, 19:36
#8
08 Mar 2018, 19:36#8
Looks like CleverMike is stuck in repeat mode. I thought for a minute he was going on about the Steyns’ lol
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Mar 2018, 19:36
#9
08 Mar 2018, 19:36#9
Looks like CleverMike is stuck in repeat mode. I thought for a minute he was going on about the Steyns’ lol
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Mar 2018, 19:44
#10
08 Mar 2018, 19:44#10
Too much work correcting this. We actually have very few proven test backs....a number of locks and props. Pollard is probably our only back who is top 3. Not one centre, not one wing, not one scrummie.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Mar 2018, 20:09
#11
08 Mar 2018, 20:09#11

As pe r normal this guy is prejudiced and clueless  when it comes  to performance by players.   Performance does not count when it comes to selections.   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Mar 2018, 20:37
#12
08 Mar 2018, 20:37#12
No I'm not clueless I'm right as our results prove....these are just names. Hell Tank du Toit is taken apart every time he comes up against a top tighthead. Papier hasn't even found the locker room.......Lambie a serial test flop.......Gelant is so slow he was easily rounded for a key try last weekend. Delusions....barked out by fools. We never could match NZ in terms of breadth of talent, but we could always find 15 guys who could compete at test level. Now we have many provincial level players, more than before......but very few players who have a prayer at international level. What we need to do is find the guys who can be trained to compete and build on them. This form player, deStroyli nonsense wont work.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Mar 2018, 01:02
#13
09 Mar 2018, 01:02#13

Mozart

You were always right in the games in 2015 when the Springboks -

*    lost two if four games in the 2014  EOYT; and 

*    lost all three Rugby Champioonship games; and 

*    lost against Japan

when according to you we had test class players.

We  all know there is a problem - particularly iro of the loosies and the backline and the effort above was to indicate potential players to be used in future,   Must we get back your favourites of the past - irrespective of how useless they are at present?   

The other problem is that we suffered for a decade and even longer from game plans or imaginary ones where the only roles of the flyhalfs and scrummies were to kick the sh!t out of balls and if by accident the ball went to the no 12 center he had to crashball.  Fact is that the backline players were to be tackling dummies on ly  - an approach you supported all-out.   How can  backline players prove anything under such circumstances?      

We have been through this before and age mania and harkening back to the past will not help. 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Mar 2018, 02:27
#14
09 Mar 2018, 02:27#14
Just a pity that with all those 'issues' we were 2/3 in the world and we are now 6/7. We had a game plan and players very much like Ireland has today and logically they have taken our place as the second ranked team.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
09 Mar 2018, 08:38
#15
09 Mar 2018, 08:38#15

Mike ... players like who?

I didn't include De Allende and Kriel for obvious reasons ... and to be honest kinda forgot about Lood De Jager who by the looks of it has turned the page. I'll add him quickly.

Anyone else? Feel free, Mike.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
09 Mar 2018, 08:42
#16
09 Mar 2018, 08:42#16

As usual, there's nothing new from Mozart.

No need to repeat myself. I've said all I'm going to say.

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Mar 2018, 11:46
#17
09 Mar 2018, 11:46#17

Mozart

There was NO discernable game plan - donkey kicks do not represent game plan and the signs were already there in 2015 that things are goioibg awry under Meyer and got worse under Coetzee.

Now how come you did not respond to my comments on the backline usage under Meyer and Coetzee?  

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