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The Donkey/Diesel Twins

Started by sharkbok14 REPLIES2,014 VIEWS· 02 Nov 2018, 17:52
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
02 Nov 2018, 17:52
#1
02 Nov 2018, 17:52#1

They are still a work in progress, but it is a pivotal time in their careers if they are going to amount to anything more than Jean Diesel, or 2 Diesel's

If they could try a coach like John Mitchell, or go play in Japan and work on their skills, running fitness and drop the creatine lard, perhaps they could become the finished product.

Their conditioning programme seems to be the same as Diesel, and often the rugby ball is like a bar of soap at critical moments in the match. 

Diesel was brainless, but the twins appear to have more thinking capacity even though at times it does not seem to be the case.

They are Bok contenders, but it is clear Rassie has left them out for their poor skills, or at least inconsistent skills. Both have shown awareness for quick draw and passes, offloads, timed supporting runs. These are often flashes in the pan, ruined by follow up sub-standard play that is not of the requirements of a professional sportsperson. 

However, are either dependable for an important test match, or would it be a test reme mbered for a simple knock on, or tripping over their own feet. 

Diesel was a warhorse in the mould or Alberts, but even Alberts was more of a thinking player. At least the twins do not give away stupid penalties for foul play, at least not yet. Diesel seemed happiest when smashing into the opposition, than thinking about options to maybe go around them to keep the opposition guessing.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Nov 2018, 22:19
#2
02 Nov 2018, 22:19#2
The Deysel twins have been a huge flop so far...warriors without a combative nature.....offloaders with hands of stone....locks in their movements without the size...big plodding dinosaurs.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Nov 2018, 22:46
#3
02 Nov 2018, 22:46#3

I rate the two of them. Dan a bit more probably.

Marx, Whitely, Snyman and the Dups brothers are the best complete forwards we have right now. 

B oth carry out their forward roles while bringing something extra to the table. 

Nothing wrong with that.


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
05 Nov 2018, 13:15
#4
05 Nov 2018, 13:15#4
Dumb-Luc may have thri ved in that game over the weekend. Lots of big hits and carries in traffic which is the core area of his game. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
05 Nov 2018, 13:21
#5
05 Nov 2018, 13:21#5


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
05 Nov 2018, 13:21
#6
05 Nov 2018, 13:21#6


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Nov 2018, 13:45
#7
05 Nov 2018, 13:45#7

For me, both Dups brothers hsould be in the squad.

They'd have bossed the English on Saturday.

Sadly, Rassie don' t want em.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
05 Nov 2018, 13:57
#8
05 Nov 2018, 13:57#8

Rassie's handling of the forwards has been better than the backs, but I agree, Jean-Luc is a Bok squad quality player. 

How er, against England, we really didn't do much ball in hand amongst the backs. The forwards did their part. How much more could we realistically restrained and dominated England? They never entered our 22 for over 40 minutes of rugby.

When we were dominant, we didn't do very much with the ball. Damian was a dead end. Kriel was nonexistent and our back three largely spectators. What did we do? 

  1. Several switches between Pollard and Damian that did nothing. 
  2. Two cut balls off a lineout to Damian from a lineout which went nowhere. 
  3. Kicking. 
  4. Missed overlaps. 
  5. 1 double miss play to Willemse. 
  6. Forwards playing it out the back. 
  7. 2 decoy runs by Damian  for Pollard, which England didn't fall for. 
Whatever we did, it died. England created space and kept the attacking threat alive. Our clunky attacking patterns have been an issue all season. We don't have the distributors to make it work with the personnel Rassie favours. The English mostly flooded through and read our wide plays. It's too slow, linear, deep and predictable. A good attacking side would have buried England inside 30 minutes. That we couldn't score more than 11 points against a heavily depleted English side when so dominant for so long is concerning. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Nov 2018, 14:14
#9
05 Nov 2018, 14:14#9

Aug, here's the problem.

DDA makes a break on massive front foot ball when even my grandmother would gain some ground, and then entirely fails to put anyone into any space and kills the play in it's tracks...but gains 5m of ground.

This results in him being called one of our best players on Saturday.

Forget that when you have that much momentum, gaining some ground is only par. It's the offload or the creation of something on top of that which means that you edserve the Bok jersey.

Honestly, this is black hole that DDa and Kriel have created in the minds of fans. We've become so accustomed to those two donkeys in mid field that even par is now called MOM worthy.

Ridiculous.


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Nov 2018, 14:17
#10
05 Nov 2018, 14:17#10
"DDA makes a break on massive front foot ball when even my grandmother would gain some ground . . ."
Hmmmm . . . has Granny Plum got plans for this weekend?
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Nov 2018, 14:31
#11
05 Nov 2018, 14:31#11

She's outta your league Rooi!


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Nov 2018, 14:37
#12
05 Nov 2018, 14:37#12
No, I mean is she available for the Bokke on Saturday night?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
11 Nov 2018, 15:32
#13
11 Nov 2018, 15:32#13
It seems both the Diesel twins will now play in the English Premiership, following their older brother.
Fantastic preparation for SuperRugby. Surely it should be illegal to a player over a certain amount of games in one season.

Sharks' Du Preez brothers set for stints in England2018-11-11 14:10
Jean-Luc du Preez (Gallo)

Cape Town - All three of the Sharks' Du Preez brothers will have short stints in England before the start of next year's Super Rugby.

According to Rapport, Jean-Luc du Preez is the latest of the three brothers to be offered a short-term deal in the English Premiership and he will join flyhalf Robert du Preez at Sale Sharks from Monday. 

Current Springbok scrumhalf Faf de Klerk also plays for the club. 

Dan du Preez, meanwhile, will join Exeter Chiefs. 

All three will be back in time for Super Rugby 2019. 

Robert and Dan du Preez, in particular, were considered key to the Sharks winning the Currie Cup this year, but it was not enough to secure a place in the Springbok squad for the end-of-year tour. 

Sale are currently second bottom of the English log, while Exeter are top with six wins from six.

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
11 Nov 2018, 21:28
#14
11 Nov 2018, 21:28#14
I like the Du Preez twins and probably need a couple more seasons to hone their craft. They are still young enough. But I think because of Affirmative action, Rassie had no choice in selecting nachos and Kolisi. The du preez twins complete destroyed nachos in the Currie cup final. Yes agree on their error rate at crucial moments. Trying to off load to much. But Jean Luck does seem to get over the advantage line and run more into space. Just imagine. We could have a back row of 6. Kwotalisi, 7.Quota Moheje 8. Sicko Dumbo Nachos. With Bongi at 2 will give Rassie 50% AA. But a back row of 6 Quagga Smit, 7 Jean Dup, 8 Dan will not let us down.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Nov 2018, 12:39
#15
12 Nov 2018, 12:39#15

Good luck to them.

Whoever they play for, i will support them 100%!

Both are on my list of favority recently emerged players.

Can' t wait for them to be regular boks.


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