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The elephant on the field

Started by Moletroll12 REPLIES190 VIEWS· 25 Aug 2014, 23:16
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MO
MoletrollNewbie9 posts
25 Aug 2014, 23:16
#1
25 Aug 2014, 23:16#1

There is always a lot of bleating on this site about individual players (especially how old they happen to be!), but something that has not been discussed is the Boks shocking defensive pattern against the Argies.


I nearly choked on my biltong every time an attacker had enough space to run more than 2 steps.  And this is a team/structure problem not an individual problem, so the blame must go to the defensive coach and from there up to the coach.


Whats the problem?


Guys rushing up out of the defensive line one at a time!  This is the first thing that is drilled into teams on defense.  Keep the line and don't rush up and leave a big gaping hole either side of you.  Everyone in the team was doing it so it must be a tactic that they actually practice.  I suppose it comes from the fact that at times it might be useful to try and stop an attacking move in its tracks by rushing up on the receivers outside and flattening him before he can see you.  But you need to get ball and all and actually complete the tackle otherwise it is a disaster.  All the attacker needs to do is pass or step and suddenly the 'flying V' defense pattern is a scrambling mess.



Anybody have any links to the game?  I'd love to have a look at it again (now that I can relax knowing we somehow won the game) and get some examples (if work is slow that is).  But if you doubt me just have a look anytime the Argies have the ball

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Aug 2014, 23:51
#2
25 Aug 2014, 23:51#2
If you get access Moletroll check out the Bargie left wing try for a V. De Allende is two metres behind. Ever since Jake's push defence the Boks have relied heavily on our 13 pushing up to seal off the outside. The lack of that is what created all those Bargie overlaps.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Aug 2014, 00:19
#3
26 Aug 2014, 00:19#3
 Meyer is out of touch with modern rugby his defensive plan leaves a lot to be desired and his attacking plan is non existent 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Aug 2014, 00:21
#4
26 Aug 2014, 00:21#4
And based on your U 11 experience you are in touch Dave?  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Aug 2014, 00:50
#5
26 Aug 2014, 00:50#5
 U11? ??? - is that you sucking again.
Without any reservation, I am more in touch with the modern way than Meyer is. 
There is no way in hell I would select his insult of a side and employ his archaic way of playing the game



BE
becsPro4,378 posts
26 Aug 2014, 19:41
#6
26 Aug 2014, 19:41#6
I think U11 only play Touch, don't they ? 
S's lot play a bit harder than that !!!! 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Aug 2014, 20:02
#7
26 Aug 2014, 20:02#7
 Not in the R of SA Becs.
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Aug 2014, 20:46
#8
26 Aug 2014, 20:46#8
I tried to show here where De Allende would have been had he been in line with Jean and the approximate trajectory of the pass. Would he have been close enough to discourage the pass? I'm not sure, it was a fast pass and the Argie backline was lying deep. Of course the real problem is...



...this two man overlap way out wide. By this time the Argie in line with Hendricks (circled) already had the ball. Look at the huge ground Hendricks would have to cover to cut down the space out wide. I think we were simply outflanked here, I don't think De Allende being flatter could have prevented the pass. It's hard to say for sure with improvised 2D angles though.


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Aug 2014, 21:03
#9
26 Aug 2014, 21:03#9
 Sorry, I know there's nothing ground breaking in the above, I'm just messing around with images for future use in getting points across.
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
26 Aug 2014, 21:11
#10
26 Aug 2014, 21:11#10
 And another one bites the dust.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Aug 2014, 21:11
#11
26 Aug 2014, 21:11#11
 Pakie, that was a good try by them. Jean and De Allende both missread the situation. Unfortunate outcome. Its rugby, these things happen. our main problem was at scrum time and the panic that came with it. It won't happen against Ozz and NZ.
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
26 Aug 2014, 21:39
#12
26 Aug 2014, 21:39#12
Well, in most School's here now, Draad, they play Touch. They used to play full contact from little, but no longer  


PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Aug 2014, 00:15
#13
27 Aug 2014, 00:15#13
Draad, there's no doubt De Allende was too deep, and very slow out of the blocks. Also Jean had to stop his drift for just a moment because of the dummy runner coming back on the angle behind the passer, seen in my first pic above. Another Argie hovered just inside the ball carrier on the second pic to check De Allendes drift as well. The Argies had us well beaten here.
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