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The end in sight for carter (and the wee abs)?

Started by Beeno116 REPLIES435 VIEWS· 14 Nov 2013, 10:27
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Nov 2013, 10:27
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14 Nov 2013, 10:27#1




What a gentleman Bissie is letting Carter down so gently!


Ex Superpsort

All things going to plan, Dan Carter's 100th test match for New Zealand at Twickenham on Saturday will not be the last time he plays for the team at England's hallowed home ground.

Carter, who will become the fifth All Blacks player to achieve the milestone on Saturday, is hoping to return to London on October 31, 2015 for the World Cup final in what will surely be his international swansong.

The key to achieving that plan, however, lies in the reason why it has taken Carter so long to achieve the 100-cap milestone since he moved into the 'nervous nineties' more than a year ago. Injury.

The 31-year-old will make just his sixth appearance for the world champions in their 13th test match of the year after a series of setbacks curtailed his chances to achieve the mark earlier in the season.

A broken hand kept him out of tests against France in June before a calf injury kept him out of matches against Australia in the southern hemisphere's Rugby Championship.

A crunching tackle in September by South Africa hooker Bismarck du Plessis produced a shoulder injury that ended his season before the All Blacks' northern hemisphere tour this month.

Lauded as possibly the greatest flyhalf to play the game, injuries have been the virtual constant in Carter's career in recent years. (He has been a very good player but is fragile to say the least)

A torn Achilles' tendon while playing for Perpignan in France in early 2009 has seemingly been the catalyst for further leg injuries, which have all contributed to an increasing number of absences.

Carter's low-point, however, came during the 2011 World Cup when he tore a tendon in his groin while practicing goal-kicking ahead of their final pool match against Canada, a game where he had been named captain.

The injury left him writhing in agony and the rugby-mad nation wondering how they would win the tournament without his calming influence that has set him apart from his peers. They did, though, with a number of back up flyhalves helping to land the trophy.

"(Captain Richie) McCaw and Carter are two of the greatest players we've ever had," All Black coach Steve Hansen said this week. "We just need Dan to get some game-time over these three weeks. It's not about re-establishing himself.(See how the myth is perpetuated re wee mcaaaaw. He has been a non enentity for some years now but the groupies keep banging his drum!!!)

"The big, burning question is, are (they) going to make the World Cup?" added Hansen.(LETS HOPE SO!!!)

Initially selected as an inside centre by John Mitchell in 2003, Carter moved into the number 10 jersey against France in 2004 and has held a mortgage on the position since.

That decision to move him to the pivotal position by then All Blacks coach Graham Henry signalled the end of the international careers of Andrew Mehrtens and Carlos Spencer.

Carter appeared to be a perfect mixture of the two. A direct, fleet-footed runner like Mehrtens, coupled with shades of the side-stepping trickery of Spencer.

Crucially, he had the Mehrtens' distribution and kicking game. A booming left-footed punt, delicate touch with chips and grubber kicks and deadly accurate as a goalkicker.

No-one since then has seriously challenged Carter, though Nick Evans pushed him hard for the role before realising in Henry's eyes he would always be an understudy and packed his bags for a successful club career with Harlequins in England.

CHANGED THE GAME

Like most top-class athletes, Carter appears to have time to weigh up a situation and then take the right option, whether it be to kick, pass, or run while under pressure and make it look easy.

Immensely strong for his 1.78m tall, 93kg frame, Carter has helped redefine the attacking template for flyhalves with the All Blacks constantly looking for ways to exploit space in an increasingly congested defensive line.

Deceptively quick, he has often left loose forwards flapping at the air as he lures them in, steps, accelerates and fends them off to ghost through the gap and link with his unmarked players as the defence scrambles back.

Like Jonny Wilkinson, whose career he was measured against before the New Zealander overshadowed the Englishman in the British and Irish Lions series in 2005, Carter also has no fear in defending the inside channel.

His style has arguably changed the flyhalf role and been adapted by youngsters Aaron Cruden and Beauden Barrett, who are providing Carter with possibly the biggest challenge he has faced for the starting spot.

"We're very fortunate we've got a young man who's becoming world-class in Crudes, and we've got another young player in Barrett who's not far behind," Hansen added.

"If they (Carter and McCaw) don't make it through lack of desire or performance, we've got replacements there and ready."

Identified as a 'red-flag' athlete by coach Hansen due to his injuries, Carter has also recognised that his career has entered its twilight.(LIKE SO MANY OF THESE ABS. VASTLY OVER RATED!)

Having been injured for much of the 2007 World Cup where the All Blacks crashed out in the quarterfinals, then being invalided out of the 2011 tournament he has set his sights on being injury free for 2015.

He was granted a six-month sabbatical from all rugby at the end of the European tour and instead of seeking a big payday offshore, he chose to sort out his injuries and conditioning to allow him one final push to cap his remarkable career.

Achieving victory over England on Saturday in his 100th test should go a long way to starting that final push in the best possible way.

Go Poms I know you have some significant injury problems but if the frogs can outplay the abs so can you. 


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Nov 2013, 10:43
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14 Nov 2013, 10:43#2
Yeah, this article sums up the situation for Carter & McCaw, it is no secret they are getting older - all players do. 
The point is we have players to step in & take over their spots. AND they are not done yet, still more punishing wins to inflict on the opposition. They may make it to the next RWC, we will see.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Nov 2013, 10:55
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14 Nov 2013, 10:55#3
 JW my good friend would you mind just attending to the score keeping. You have found a niche here on the board and are performing a most valuable service.Leave ther rugby comments to those with re al rugby acumen like myself. Its called overreach JW!Come to think of it if we are talking about real rugby acumen I might end up talking to myself here. Let's rather say those who have and inkling. But that would rule out the kiwi bird brains so lets perhaps make that those who have even the vaguest of clues. That would only exclude rooitwit, warped and sasUE. Hakwa scrapes in becaue of his pictorial skills (where occassionally he makes a point) but his verbal contributions are of course sadly lacking in substance and gravitas.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
14 Nov 2013, 11:15
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14 Nov 2013, 11:15#4

 Bean Brain my nigger.... Let me take you back a few weeks to the Springbrok fortress ( not sure why they call it that ??..please do tell...) also known as Ellis Park...

 

 

Can't remember us needing Carter then can you?....that's coz Kiwis have contingency plans- not sure if your familiar with the concept of planning but it's just another skill we excell in...

 

So when DC is ready to hang up his boots then all well and good as we will still be kicking your yarpy butts as proven with the likes of Cruden and Barret ..did warn you that would happen though ... so thanks for this little opportunity to jog your memory - the pleasure was all mine...

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
14 Nov 2013, 11:16
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14 Nov 2013, 11:16#5

 

...what happened bean brain - ever tried to hold mercury,,,very cool, shiny and  slippery little hazardous element also known as Beauden Barret

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Nov 2013, 11:22
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14 Nov 2013, 11:22#6
Ha ha Benno , you are in fine spirits I see, lol 
I will give you a clue Beeno when you think you are the only one in the universe who is right this generally indicates you are living in a fantasy. Which in your case is reality.Your friend Just_win (just keeping it real)
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 Nov 2013, 11:40
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14 Nov 2013, 11:40#7
 
Poor Carter's bones were truly rattle by that smear tackle of Bismarck the Awesome.

Don't think I'll ever forget that beauty.

Nearly punched a hole through my ceiling in celebration of the poor dear being stretchered off.

His days are numbered.

Not sure why they bother sending him on these sabbaticals. He's always injured and is yet to play in a world cup.

So you guys might as well discount him for this coming WC and prepare his replacement for duty.






JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Nov 2013, 12:00
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14 Nov 2013, 12:00#8

Brycy: great pic, lol similar to the one I have as my avitar.

 

CleanCut: yes Carter was creamed by a good tackle by Bismark. My avitar pic shows what happened after this (our third string 10)

 

By the way what was the final score of that game, I believe the Mighty ABs destoyed some sort of fortress

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WardadPro6,663 posts
14 Nov 2013, 13:28
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14 Nov 2013, 13:28#9
Schadenfreude ,last resort of toe rags the world over ......EP more Maginot line than fortress Just-win ! BB sidestepped like the Germans at Sedan !
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Nov 2013, 14:04
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14 Nov 2013, 14:04#10

 I always  was a great admirer of Carter - but lately have some real questions about him.   He started to miss more and more matches - both tests and Super 15 - in recent years and what was more evident is that -

 

*   his attacking of the gain line became fewer and fewer; and

 

*   his kicking from hand increased

 

In essence he was playing a safe game to protect against injuries.   Insofar as his kicking game was concerned there always was a huge difference between his kicking game and the one of the robotic Morne Steyn.   Unlike in the case of Morne Steyn, Carter with his keen ball sense and reading of games  - his kicks were pin point and effective - mostly benefitting his team tremendously.

 

I think that at 31 years of age it would in the interest of his health and future life be better for him to wave good bye to test rugby.   He could leave test rugby with a huge image or he can leave it on a stretcher.  I think he should sign a foreign club contract and carry on for another two years or so on club level and then retire and take up a new profession as a specialist advisor in rugby - or in public relations.

 

It would be a huge loss - but at least he could leave rugby with an unimpaired image and not one affected by declining performances.   There he could choose a wiser course than is the case with McCaw.   The latter's performances this year showed a serious downward trend and that trend can only become worse next year.          

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
14 Nov 2013, 15:14
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14 Nov 2013, 15:14#11
Carter has been a limited attacking force in his own right since 2007. His kicking stats post 2006 greatly increased and by 2008 had overtaken the B oks year after year.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
14 Nov 2013, 17:36
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14 Nov 2013, 17:36#12
 Didnt you just post some stats to prove that points scored is the number 1 determinant for a number 10 ?so therefore........
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Nov 2013, 19:27
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14 Nov 2013, 19:27#13

 Cloudy

 

I think he is sill a top flyhalf - but he is getting injury prone and what I wrote about above is an effort to get my view across about him looking after his own future - rather than anything else. 

 

Obviously he is a better flyhalf than we have at present - after all Meyer is "married" to one of the worst flyhalfs in world rugby.   Carter is better, Cruden is better, Barrett is better, Farrell is better, Cooper is better, Sanchez is better -  I can go on and name 20 more flyhalfs better than Morne Steyn.   Please - measuring Carter against Morne is just like comparing a Ferrari with a Renault - or better still a scrap vehicle in the junk yard.   The difference is so big - it is unbelievable.   Anybody is miles better than Steyn - so please find another comparison.    

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Nov 2013, 09:55
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15 Nov 2013, 09:55#14
Jonny Wilkinson went through several years of serious injuries & came right again. For a while he was as fragile as crystal. People said he should retire - that was like 4 years ago. So we are hopeful Dan will come right. He deserves a RWC victory to end his career with.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Nov 2013, 11:20
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15 Nov 2013, 11:20#15
It would appear that the kiwi bird brains coach potatoes have quite possibly never played sport in ther lives. And no kbb computer/TV games are not sport!
If they had they would be aware of the concept of unforced errors. For example (one has to spell these things out to non sportsmen) if I am having a bad day and serve too many double faults and hit the net and miss the lines etc I could on a  given day lose to an inferior player.So brycy given how the Mighty Boks dominated the stats and try scoring opportunities it was clear we shot oursleves in the foot and did not win against a markedly inferior side. I know I am stating the obvious.Take the test in dunedin we miss 9 penalties. Played the better rugby but missed out kicks. We lost the game the abs didnt win it.But consider this kbb (Am I asking the impossible!) the wee abs won the test this year in nz by 7 points (7 because their first try was no try at all). Now if I gave the wee abs 7 points but said they must play the game for 50 minutes with 14 men would anybody here be insane enough to suggest the Boks wouldnt the test by 30 points.kbb the Boks are markedly superior to the wee abs and  you know it.
Beeno stating the obvious but given the rampant delusions at play radical corrections are needed.Another interesting one. If we gave the abs of Mighty Boks ten point to the score when ever they got a yellow how would the test results change - given we get twice as many yellows as them? Never mind all the outrageous calls etc. The Boks were disliked around the world because of the apartheid baggage. However that is changing and our natural charm, decency and fair play is earning us great credit.Meanwhile the wee abs are going down hill at a frightening rate reputation wise due to their illegal play and pomposity. Declaring themselves to be the most dominant side in rugby history they have reached unparalled hights of arrogance and utter delusion.Dr Beeno however has been onto them for years and is guiding them back into the light but I cannot promise quick results!Prepare for Bok rule ab fans. It's the natural order of things.
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
15 Nov 2013, 14:15
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15 Nov 2013, 14:15#16
 You pissed Hasbeeno? If not, your typing and grammar are where the "radical corrections" are required!
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
15 Nov 2013, 16:12
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15 Nov 2013, 16:12#17
 Look Beeno, in Dunedin, it was the first time for the ABs and the Boks to play in the new stadium with unpredictable air currents and it showed in both sides poor kicking. Also the ball used didn't help. Also there was the matter of the eligibility of Greyling playing for the Boks since he scored alot of points for the ABs and there is something in the Laws about stepping down for 4years before you could play for another country - very confusing. I am also not sure whether a virus and Suzie were involved again.....
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