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The first try against Wales unleashed the Boks for a great YE tour

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Dec 2013, 18:37
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14 Dec 2013, 18:37#1

The Welsh match against the two time NH winners populated by Lions was a tough ask. And the Boks had a jittery start as two Welsh breaks off a bouncing ball and a dummy runner split the defence. But it ended there.

 

A few minutes later Steyn at his 22 delivered a long pass to Habana who gassed the Welsh hooker and North. He timed his pass well to Bismarck who astonishingly got up in support.  Bismarck flattened a Welshman who was promptly dispatched for a concussion test and fed Jean in the next tackle. The pass was way behind but gathered and the captain powered over. Four superb contributions.

 

 

After that the Boks played relaxed rugby for the whole tour and never looked in any trouble....they were quietly dominant. Why was this northern tour markedly better than anything from the Boks in recent years? 

 

Certainly our scrumming was better and our defence was stingy. Our lineout work at times disappointed. And while we scored some fine backline tries....the backs were hardly dominant. I believe it comes down to the breakdown. Fetchers like Warburton were simply blown off the ball as there seemed to be an extra Bok at every breakdown. Odd for a supposedly immobile pack. But when you have structure in your game plan, the players appear in the right places.

 

It augurs well for 2015.

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
14 Dec 2013, 19:20
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14 Dec 2013, 19:20#2
Agreed Moz - Bok trajectory continues up. Meyer has us on the right track and continues to prove his detractors wrong. He is building a winning culture and the Boks are playing with belief and confidence. The improvement in scrumming and try scoring is particularly gratifying.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Dec 2013, 19:37
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14 Dec 2013, 19:37#3
One has to assume de Villiers is doing a great coaching job on the scrumming. Both Malherbe and Coenie passed their scrumming tests against Wales and France respectively....good stuff! 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Dec 2013, 20:37
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14 Dec 2013, 20:37#4
Spoke to Frans Malherbe's father yesterday.   He told me that Jenkins use curse words referring to Frans after the match.   Not nice to do that when out-scrummed by a youngster in his first test for the Springboks.    
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
15 Dec 2013, 00:38
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15 Dec 2013, 00:38#5

 ..i liked that first try against FRance...Steyn failed to find touch ....as intended of course...leading to a returned kick charged down and TRY...silenced the crowd and unsettled the French...fortuitous and just as well Lambie was'nt playing as he definitely would have nailed that touchfinder...

 

...that was the defining try of the tour was'nt it that knocked the stuffing out of the French led to breaking a 16 year jinx against France albeit a complete fluke ...

 

...way to celebrate your 100 yr anniversary against France anyway...

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2013, 01:16
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15 Dec 2013, 01:16#6
Hahaha Bricy....it unsettled the French? Nah, the French were unsettled when Willem Alberts ran over them. You conveniently fail to mention two perfectly legitimate Bok tries which were disallowed, in spite of which we won comfortably. Whereas you chaps were within inches of a draw. I sense some desperation.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2013, 04:28
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15 Dec 2013, 04:28#7

Mozart


Sloth Alberts ran over them when?   He caught one ball at the back of the line out was in the clear, ran about 10 meters with the ball and was tackled by the first defender he came up against.   Hardly run over anybody.   For the rest he was tackled by the first defender every time he had the ball - with a territory gain of less than 2 meters per carry.


Kindly explain the myth you mentioned above.  


    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2013, 04:32
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15 Dec 2013, 04:32#8
 7. Willem Alberts – 9 

Man of the Match. He has enjoyed his best tour with the Springboks and has been outstanding in every one of the Tests. Very physical again and very strong in the tackle. He also carried the ball well and contributed to the Boks' gainline advantage.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2013, 06:35
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15 Dec 2013, 06:35#9

 Mozart


Thanks for the quote - but that type of general comment is meaningless - it is called hype far removed from reality,   I rather believe the actual performances on the field of play mostly supported by the stats.   Those were s follows:-



Alberts

0/0

0

0/0/5

19

0

1

0

0

9/4

0/1

0

0/0


How with those stats a player can get 9 is a real mystery.   Alberts had one reasonable ball carry described above - gaining about 10 meters - the others were totally insignificant,  He made 9 tackles and missed 4.   With a missed tackle ratio of 30%  - totally inacceptable in any game of rugby - he should get a rating of 5/10.


 




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BrycyPro4,671 posts
15 Dec 2013, 09:03
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15 Dec 2013, 09:03#10

 Mozart sounds like SA dodged a bullet.. but you make your own luck as they say ...unless your the All Blacks then it's pure skill and ruthless efficiency...

 

clevermike

Status: Hall Of Fame
Posts: 8315 Two bugger ups and the Springboks only try against the French
November 26, 2013, 11:58:54

First of all Morne is becoming known or it.  A penalty kick is awarded to the Springboks and Morne missed finding touch.   Pietersen followed up the kick quickly and charge down the return kick of Para - the second bugger-up, this time by Para.   So - in the end the Springboks - who never really threatened the tryline of the French later on in the game - won the match because of  double bugger-ups - one by Morne and one by Para.    


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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
15 Dec 2013, 15:29
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15 Dec 2013, 15:29#11
 Mike, you clearly never pay attention to the very secure carrying that Alberts does. He takes the ball, punches it up into the very heart of the defence, takes three or four defenders with him creating a huge vacuum for the attack to exploit. He is so dangerous that many of our plays to get around the edge of the defence are based on Alberts and Vermeulen being decoys that hold the defence. Just the presence of Alberts alone changes the entire psyche of the opposition. Here's a poker saying that might enlighten you:

"every time opponents play their hands differently from the way they would have if they could see all your cards, you gain"

We get this very thing from Alberts. Brother Michael, I'm going to be blunt, you don't have even the most rudimentary understanding of our players, not a jot. You bleat of conducting full scale studies that amount to absolutely nothing because you haven't the foggiest what you are looking for. To even a casual observer it should be patently obvious how valuable Alberts is. His work in tandem with Duane has been the single biggest reason for our successful year - a success you decline to admit! You are too lost. You have tapered off into the forest of delusion, deeper into fantasy and there is no return. Alas.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2013, 15:57
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15 Dec 2013, 15:57#12

 Sun_tsu


He is not the mighty ball carrier he is reputed to be and his defence stinks to high heaven.   That makes him a liability like he was at Ellis Park.


Alberts has a problem - his ball skills are non-existent - he never passes balls and his carries ends up two meters away in mauls.  Normally there is no speedy ball recovery and by the time balls come out - the opposition defence has been organised and it does not create space for his teammates.   He consequently  never has a role in any attack by the Springboks or the Sharks.   


The Sloth has a mindless following that ascribe mighty ball carries to him and huge tackle capacity - but there is no indication that he is successful in either.   Since he is so slow he is easily beaten by opposition players and if he tries to tackle them he is mostly unsuccessful.   In the French test he missed 4 tackles completely - but he did make nine tackles.   There was a huge hoo-haa about his performance in the CC final - but he actually made less tackles than he missed.


Because of the hype I watch Alberts carefully in every match he plays in and he does not do regularly anything he is credited with by the media.   In the French test he got the ball by accident because of a defective line-out throw-in by the French   hooker - he was in the clear and ran about ten meters, got tackled by the French flyhalf and a maul ensued.   The question was - since he was in the clear - why did he not pass the ball to another player who would also be in space allowing for a proper attack to continue?    The answer is simple - he has zip ball handling skills.


As long as e have a player like Alberts in the back row - our loosies will always be at a massive  disadvantage compared to the All Blacks.  I cannot wait for the return of Arno Botha - at least he is a proper loosie.

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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
15 Dec 2013, 16:12
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15 Dec 2013, 16:12#13
 Like Ellis Park? Does everything equate to Ellis Park? That test was the one test where the Boks abandoned their gameplan entirely chasing four tries. The entire defensive SYSTEM suffered as a result from strained attack. I already explained this to you. Are you a Province supporter? That is the only way I can contextualize this irrational hatred of the Bulls and Sharks players. Mike, I assure you, I do not need to listen to "the hype". I quite clearly think for myself, it's how I stayed ahead of the game in sussing out Lambie, Watson, Pretorius, Jantjies, JJ and Pienaar ahead of time.

As per the All Blacks? I don't rate their loosies as better than ours, not by a long shot. Sure, Read is a very talented player, but him on his own a trio does not make. Our trio is the most powerful in history, and is doing something no other Bok trio has done in the modern era; namely, dominate the breakdown! We have the best defence in the world yet you label our loose trio as immobile and weak on defence. Pure, plain, bias.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2013, 16:25
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15 Dec 2013, 16:25#14

Sun-Tzu


My friend I am a Shark supporter - have seen too many times how Alberts fail as a loosie while playing for the Sharks and I did not like what I saw.   His record in Super 15 over the last two years was atrocious. .  You need three loosies as you said and Messam, Read and McCaw out played our loosies every time we meet the AB's.


Dominate the breakdowns - another flawed term - they recover their own  tackle ball - but slowly and ineffectively from an attacking perspective.    This is done by other players with Alberts been rarely in evidence.   If you watch the CC final carefully - you will notice that Alberts rarely goes into mauls - he normally is arriving late and hangs around behind the mauls for others to do the work. 


You have sussed out a lot of players mentioned by you - but why is Morne Steyn missing from that list?  After all Stade Francioas has sussed him out and he was foun d wanting.      

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2013, 16:33
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15 Dec 2013, 16:33#15

 Arizona


Sloth Alberts is and Sloth he will remain.  He is slow and clumsy - the Sloth of the rugby world.  He has another problem - he also has zip ball handling/passing skills - so he is even worse than Sloths are.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2013, 19:30
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15 Dec 2013, 19:30#16
He has zippo ball handling skills but he snagged the rebound ball for the miracle try against the Poms last year. OOM unfortunately what Meyer is doing is going.....whoosh....right over your head. You simply don't have a clue, the coach is thinking well above your pay grade.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2013, 20:27
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15 Dec 2013, 20:27#17

 Mozart


As long as Sloth is in that team - together with Morne. Fourie and Bsakkies Botha - so long we will never beat the AB's - irrespective whether Meyer is trying to make candy from  cattle manure.   He has as much chance of turning  Alberts into a top loosie as he has in achieving the latter.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2013, 22:18
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15 Dec 2013, 22:18#18
Waaaaaaaaaaaahahaha .....the dolts who predicted the Boks were going to lose to Oz, then to Wales, then to France because of HMs selections......are now reduced to saying we will never beat the Abs.
Have they got no shame?  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Dec 2013, 12:55
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16 Dec 2013, 12:55#19
In the NH we have the right loose trio. However I still believe thought could be given to putting in a hard tackling speedster on the highveldt. By playing two mobile locks in Etzebeth and Du toit, a more mobile tighthead in Malherbe and a loosie like Arno or Labbers or Deon Fourie we suddenly have a very mobile but tough pack. Boks are in a very good place and the last card re the abs (based on flawed analysis) will go up in smoke. 
Burger, at 30, well rested and with no injuries may yet mount a challenge. To soon to write him off.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Dec 2013, 13:24
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16 Dec 2013, 13:24#20

clevermike

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December 15, 2013, 18:27:38

 Mozart


As long as Sloth is in that team - together with Morne. Fourie and Bsakkies Botha - so long we will never beat the AB's - irrespective whether Meyer is trying to make candy from cattle manure.   He has as much chance of turning  Alberts into a top loosie as he has in achieving the latter.  


This is now the same Bakkies  Botha who has been replaced by Ali Williams as the prefered lock for Toulon?



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