The Folau try.....JJ again at fault

I read a bunch of bs about JJs defence vs the Tahs....then I see the Folau try! Here are the facts. JJ makes contact with  Ashley Cooper just outside the 22.... AC drags him for 12 metres into the Bools 22, slowing just a touch, which allows Folau who was 2 metres behind to run nicely onto ACs offload.

Walk in the park. We simply can't have this feeble centre playing even S15 rugby. That's not counted as a missed tackle....so his  stats look fine. But it led directly to a try. There you have a classic example of why stats by themselves are misleading....and a perfect example of how JJs defence helps the opposition.

Oh what absolute rubbish, JJ tackled Ashley Cooper who slipped the pass to Folau......standard rugby......your take is the usual prejudiced bullshit.....let me guess JJ should have tackled AC and Folau

JJ had an outstanding game defensively unlike useless de Jongh who cant even make one on one tackles anymore

Ah so every defender tackles a player preventing him from offloading does he. JJ tackled AC end of.

Fact is JJ was brilliant defensively all game, particularly with his rushes, but you would never admit that. Blaming JJ for the Foala try is a joke.

A true missed tackle is the one de Jongh effected......that is what one calls a miss

I am not invested in the idea that JJ is a centre, for he is a centre and a Bok centre at that.

There were perceived issues with his defence, he has silenced all this year with a near prefect return in 10 or more games.

JJ has had no ball this year to impress with ball in hand thanks to the Bulls game plan.

No outside centre comes close to this guy in SA

The notion that JJ was meant to take AC out and prevent him from offloading is laughable.......that would be fine if AC was some kid playing against JJ and was blessed with no skill.

So in your eyes JJ should have stopped AC dead......that would have been fine if AC had run straight into JJ.......that was hardly the case now was it?

Your perspective is just based on your prejudice against JJ......the actual facts have nothing to do with it. There was nothing feeble about JJ's tackle on AC at all.

End of Bulls hopes within the 1st minute of the game about sums you up with JJ - enough said, its all laughable

Too many question marks there HasBeen. I can't see that JJ is any better than Basson on the wing....both lightweights but Basson has better instincts, and is better in the air. Jordaan and Swiel may prove too small for test rugby, but I could be pleasantly surprised here.   Serfontein, to me , is just a clone of Olivier an inside step and mediocre pace.

In the pack things are also dubious. Coenie will struggle to survive his neck issues. Malherbe is folded every weekend. and the back row inspires little confidence.

Test rugby players tend to make it clear when they arrive....Willie did, Etzebeth did....but we are in a bad patch. There are plenty of decent S15 players, but so few real test class newcomers.

You see Dave is mostly right. Unless a small player is a genius like Paulse or Aplon, they wont make it. Test rugby requires big, physical fast fellows. Jean is a classic example....man that guy is strong. Trouble is that's what Dave says and then he chooses weaklings like JJ and Goosen....completely contradicts himself.

The only young back I see as having test potential is young Andre Esterhuizen....size, pace and natural aggression. Twenty years ago I would also have picked Swiel, but I fear it's just too much of a meat grinder now.

Last I checked, he brought AC down perfectly.......he must be doing something right given his defensive stats this S15 happen to be one of the best, if not the best of all SA centres.

One only needs to check the weekly ESPN stats to see that JJ keeps kicking arse defensively.

Its just a pity the class act is not given more ball for its on attack that he really shines......but then again he is playing for the Bulls  

What part are you disputing OOM:

1) JJ made contact with AC just outside the 22?

2) AC ran 8 strides while JJ was attempting to tackle him?

3) He moved forward at a reasonable pace keeping the momentum ?

4) Hougaard recognizing JJ couldn't get him down went to help?

5) AC offloaded without hindrance to Folau who scored the try?

Eight paces OOM  I have counted them. He takes 4 long strides and a series of 4  shorter chopping strides as he waits for Folau to get into position. A low side on tackle by JJ on the 22 could have stopped the whole movement. As it was he bisected the distance between the 5 metre line and the 22 by the time he offloaded. That suggests a full 10 metres from contact to offload. But first contact was actually a stride outside the 22.

So where is the BS....it's with you old chap, desperately lying again.