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The Form World Cup

Started by Mozart13 REPLIES851 VIEWS· 14 Jun 2019, 16:15
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jun 2019, 16:15
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14 Jun 2019, 16:15#1
Form over the last two years would suggest the following outcomes: Winner Pool A....Ireland. Runner Up Pool A....Scotland. Winner Pool B...NZ. Runner Up Pool B....SA. Winner Pool C....England Runner Up Pool C....Argentina Winner Pool D.....Wales Runner Up Pool D ....Australia ........... Quarters New Zealand beats Scotland Ireland beats South Africa England beat Australia Wales beats Argentina. Semis New Zealand beats England Ireland beats Wales Finals New Zealand beats Ireland. .......so where are the most likely upsets to that scenario? The Boks are the best upset pick in the Quarters. If they do beat Ireland, they could pull a second upset against Wales.....the Proteas of WC teams . If all that happens they would be up against New Zealand for a second time in the tournament, it's hard to imagine NZ losing against Scotland or England (or Oz who might test the Poms). But I would fancy the Boks in a second meeting against the ABs in an all or nothing game.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Jun 2019, 19:12
#2
14 Jun 2019, 19:12#2

A lot will depend on us going to the RWC with a full strength squad. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jun 2019, 19:26
#3
14 Jun 2019, 19:26#3
We over performed in 95,07, and 15......underperformed in 03 and 11.....and were desperately unlucky in 99. Unlike the Proteas the Boks tend to punch above their weight at WCs. Can Erasmus eschew the Allende, Stephanie at 7 dead ends is my only concern.
MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
14 Jun 2019, 21:04
#4
14 Jun 2019, 21:04#4

Wales have been more consistent than Ireland on form ,they should get the nod on that in their semi.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Jun 2019, 05:07
#5
15 Jun 2019, 05:07#5

Mozart

Your only concern is with one of the best players in SA  (Du Toit) - rather be concerned with the non-performers you admire.   Lets get back to 2015 - when the duds whose selection you crow about ultimately failed SA and they had to play players whom you attacked had to play in every game after the Japan disaster tiring themselves out comprehensively.

If there is a concern in the team it is Vermeulen - not Du Toit,   He is not the same player he was before his neck injury in 2015 and has been so-so ever since,   

  


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Jun 2019, 11:23
#6
15 Jun 2019, 11:23#6

Moz, that's how things should pan out, but they almost never do in world cups...look at the circus the CWC is turning out to be.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jun 2019, 14:18
#7
15 Jun 2019, 14:18#7
Moonrover I debated that one.....but in the end the Irish win over NZ last November weighed heavily with me. The two crucial 6N Welsh tests were played at home....and they really should have lost against France. But one could easily have picked Wales.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jun 2019, 10:50
#8
16 Jun 2019, 10:50#8

I think before we see the squads it will be definitely to early to call potential outcomes of games.   and quarterfinal play-offs,   You can easily get major upsets in the WC - like happened in the Japan debacle in 2015.   After that it became clear that a substantial number of players in the SA squad could not play again in the WC and it resulted in some players being over-utilized  and later in the series obvuiously not playing up to their standard.

I think most p layers will selet themselves - but there could be injuries that affect selections and one can only hope that player are selected on the basis of performance and NOT reputation.  

I think there could be upsets in the upcoming WC and to claim that the 6-Natiopns teams would come through is not really acceptable - in 2015 there was not a single NH team in the semi-finals.  It is doubtful that that scenario will be repeated.  What I mean is that automatic selection based on the 6-Nations is not always what happens in the WC.      

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jun 2019, 10:50
#9
16 Jun 2019, 10:50#9

I think before we see the squads it will be definitely to early to call potential outcomes of games.   and quarterfinal play-offs,   You can easily get major upsets in the WC - like happened in the Japan debacle in 2015.   After that it became clear that a substantial number of players in the SA squad could not play again in the WC and it resulted in some players being over-utilized  and later in the series obvuiously not playing up to their standard.

I think most p layers will selet themselves - but there could be injuries that affect selections and one can only hope that player are selected on the basis of performance and NOT reputation.  

I think there could be upsets in the upcoming WC and to claim that the 6-Natiopns teams would come through is not really acceptable - in 2015 there was not a single NH team in the semi-finals.  It is doubtful that that scenario will be repeated.  What I mean is that automatic selection based on the 6-Nations is not always what happens in the WC.      

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Jun 2019, 16:36
#10
16 Jun 2019, 16:36#10
Dumb post Mike....all I was trying to do was to create the most likely template as an aid to anticipating the key contests. But of course if I say potato you say vrot- a -toe.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Jun 2019, 19:14
#11
16 Jun 2019, 19:14#11

Wales and England current form is better than Ireland at the moment who may have peaked last year.

I think they have us figured out so if Ireland runs into either of those teams they are in trouble. Still favor New Zealand overall with Wales being their most likely opposition in the final.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,251 posts
16 Jun 2019, 19:43
#12
16 Jun 2019, 19:43#12

Clevermike, h ow can it to be early to make a prediction, particularly if it is based on form. No different than fantasy predictions- but with more context. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2019, 11:23
#13
17 Jun 2019, 11:23#13

I never make predictions based on what happened 6 months before the WC based on what some see as happening.   All I did was to caution against early predictions and mentioned the 2015 WC - especially relating to SA  - as an example of what could happen.  I will wait for the Rugby Championship and the squads has been announced before making any predictions.

I love the way Mozart and SB turn sour when one points out the obvious to them. .     

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jun 2019, 16:20
#14
17 Jun 2019, 16:20#14
I guess if I tell you again it's not a prediction that wont help... never mind Tokkie, but do give us a heads up when you are ready to provide your pearls of wisdom. It's never too late for a good laugh.
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