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The geriatric crisis in Springbok Rugby

Started by clevermike27 REPLIES297 VIEWS· 30 Aug 2014, 22:33
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Aug 2014, 22:33
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30 Aug 2014, 22:33#1

It happened in 2011 that we entered the  WC with a team made up of players selected on the basis of reputation and we ended up going out.   Is there a similar crisis building up in Springbok rugby again?


Id yiou analyze the situation - you are likel to find some contradictions and some prob lem areas in the team.   


Full Back


There is no crisis here - Willie le Roux has another four to five years of top rugby in him. Back up could come from Jesse Kriel - a 20 year old making marks in the CC


Wings


Here our  normal wings are Bryan Habana, Vornal Hendricks and JP Pietersen.   At 31 years of age Habana is still the best wing in world rugby and bar injuries - he is likely yo last through the WC next year.   


Hendricks is already 29 years of age and Pietersen has lost a lot of speed recently.   The problem remains just below the surface.  Injuries to those three players may cause havoc in team selection.


The question is what is coming through.  A lot is being said about Senatla - and he is a good one - especially on attack - but hiss defense is not as secure as it should be. In the CC thus far this year and also in Super 15 - much is being said about Van Wyk of the WP.   For the rest it may be possible to move a player like Engelbrecht to the wing - where he played when he was in WP.


However, not to big a crisis in this case.


Centers


De Villiers at 31 was still very good last year.  This year he had a lot of injures and not much chance to keep up the good work.   He did very little in the Argentinian tests and his performances can at best eb described as average.   Will have to look carefully at how he is going this year in tests.  


The other centers we have used over last year in  the EOYT was Fourie.   The latter was absolutely useless inm attacking play and has the speed of a carthorse.   His defense was good - but that is about all he brings to the party.   In June we used Piertersen and although he made some strong ball carries - his defense was seriously defective.  He also has a serious speed deficiency - something which will not be sorted out playing in the soft rugby environment in Japan.  


The two youngsters available are Serfontein and De Allende.   Serfontein was exceptional when De Villiers was not available in June and De Allende already showed some attacking strengths - but need to get used to playing in a new position insofar as defense is concerned.   He missed two tackles in his first game at 13 and his second game showed nmprovement in the releevant regard.   Both will do well and their performances will improve through further experience in their repective positions.


Half-Backs  


The 30 year old Morne Steyn has always been a pedestrian player with one asset only - his ability to kick at goal.  A robotic player with poor decision making abilities.  His departure from the team will not result in a crisis and the younger generation of gly halfs are already ebtter than he is.  His club normnally regard him as a vench player - so that shows that he is not naking the grade anymore.


The scrummies are a real problem - Meyer has stuck with the 31 year old Fourie du Preez and the 30 year olf Ruan Pienaar in that position.  Although still a good player - there are signs that his age is cvaqtching up with him - he deficitely is slower than he used to be and he never makes the attacking plays aroubnd the fringes anymore.  Probklem is that Fouries is out until January 2015 with a long term injury.  He is likely to play 6 or 7 matches in the period January to June next year and may by June not be matchfit at all.   


At 30 years of age - Pienaar is slowing down and there are serious criticism about his ability to deliver a quick and reliable service to the flyhals.   He tends to kick too much and his kicking game is noted for inaccuracy and aimlessness.


The younger generation of scrummies are Reinach, Hougaard and Groom and I think they will be the onmes that will be in teh Springbok squad for the WC next year.


The Loosie Situation   


With Vermeulen, Louw and Coetzee here there is no crisis.  The problem case here is the 30 year old Alberts - whose work rate has gone down the drain.   His defense is also problematic and he plays on reputation only.   


There are adequate players coming through and a wide variety of vey promising younger players are availabe.


The Tight 5


We are in serious crisis here especially of teh age of players are borne in mind.   The situation is basically as follows:-


Locks


Here we have the 34 year-olc Bakkies Botha and the 37 year-old Matfield still in teh squad.   Bkkies plays for about 15 minutes in any game and then ebcomes invisible.   Matfield is still good in line-outs - but is physically not up to standard.   There is no way we can go into next year with those two still in contention.   


The younger generation of locks must take over asap.  They are ebtter than the two geriatrics in any event.


Props


A real crisis in evidence here.  Jannie at 32 and Steenkamp at 33 has let us down in recent gasmes and they both have spotty records for the franchise and clubs respectively.   The impression is that both last about 20 minutes in matches and then go incisisvle,   Outside of scrumming - they are poor and problematic.   


Meyer will have to take a good hard look at the younger props comng through and make some hard choises for the future.   


Not a bad situation on the wwhoe - but some of the over-30's need to get the boot.    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Aug 2014, 22:51
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30 Aug 2014, 22:51#2
Let me summarize...you don't like Morne, Pienaar, Jannie Gurthro, Bakkies, Victor and Alberts.
You would play Gooesen, Reinach, Malherbe, Coenie, Lomp and Labuschagne  instead.
And lose.  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2014, 22:52
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30 Aug 2014, 22:52#3
 Fair comment Mike. Meyer made a wrong turn. 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Aug 2014, 01:10
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31 Aug 2014, 01:10#4
 Maenwhile, back at the ranch, Glaasen has once again been warming the bench for Racing Metro. No sign of Ebersohn at the Racing team sheet either. I wonder why?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 02:15
#5
31 Aug 2014, 02:15#5
 Mozart
With Morne, Pienaar, Jannie Gurthro, Bakkies, Victor and Alberts we will definitely lose.   They are way past there best and is playing for a short wh ile in games and then collapse into invisibility.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 02:16
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31 Aug 2014, 02:16#6
 Zerodoos
This si about Springbok rugby - not an obscure club in FRance.
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
31 Aug 2014, 02:44
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31 Aug 2014, 02:44#7
Ceradyne, guess you missed the Racing Metro vs Montpellier game then? Both Ebersohn and Goosen shined, Ebersohn creating a try with some good work and Goosen winning the game with a 50m drop goal.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Aug 2014, 03:06
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31 Aug 2014, 03:06#8
 

clevermike

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August 31, 2014, 00:16:23  Zerodoos
This si about Springbok rugby - not an obscure club in FRance.
It is about your hero Glaasen who should be in the Bok side instead of Morne, shouldn't he?


Shezza

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August 31, 2014, 00:44:45 Ceradyne, guess you missed the Racing Metro vs Montpellier game then? Both Ebersohn and Goosen shined, Ebersohn creating a try with some good work and Goosen winning the game with a 50m drop goal.
Have you watched that game? Or are you saying that based on the article that ou Maaikie posted. The one where he was telling us about Ebersohn and Glaasen shining for Racing Metro?

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
31 Aug 2014, 03:31
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31 Aug 2014, 03:31#9
 No, I watched the game. Missed the Bordeux one last week but caught the one today against Toulon.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Aug 2014, 19:11
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31 Aug 2014, 19:11#10
 OK. Let me get this straight. You are saying that you missed the game between RM and Montpellier. The one where both Ebersohn and Goosen shined for Racing Metro. Correct?
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
31 Aug 2014, 19:23
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31 Aug 2014, 19:23#11
Are you stupid, I just said I watched the game.
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
31 Aug 2014, 19:26
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31 Aug 2014, 19:26#12
 Hendricks is 26.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Aug 2014, 19:50
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31 Aug 2014, 19:50#13
 So, you saw Ebersohn and Goosen shine for Racing Metro.
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
31 Aug 2014, 19:57
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31 Aug 2014, 19:57#14
Pitiful, can't argue about the facts so you have to nit pick on the comment. You know quite well that Ebersohn plays for Montpellier so use what small initiative to realise that I meant he played well for Montpellier. 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Aug 2014, 20:10
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31 Aug 2014, 20:10#15
 Ahhhh at last it has dawned on you. Now if you could please explain that to your big buddy ou Maaikie because he probably still thinks that Ebersohn is playing for Montpelier. And I ma not nitpicking. It was my argument right from the start that Ou Maaikie has not seen the game but was "reporting" what he has read in a report and then jumped to conclusions.

Be that as it may. If I have to follow ou Maaikie's way of thinking, I have to conclude that Glaasen is a Racing Metro failure who has been confined to the bench.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 20:13
#16
31 Aug 2014, 20:13#16
 Ceradoos
This has nothing to do with French Club Rugby - but everything to do with the Springboks.   Can't you read - you dim doos?     
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Aug 2014, 20:32
#17
31 Aug 2014, 20:32#17
 Once again, and for the second time now, isn't Glaasen your prime flyhalf who is destined to be a Springbok great.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 21:31
#18
31 Aug 2014, 21:31#18
 Zeromoron.   
I always selected Goosen ahead of the Stade Francais  Reject - basically becuase Steyn's reading of the game is comparable with that of a blind donkey.   Hias execution has been poor as well and that is whyhe is a dud flyhalf.   Whatever  you say - Goosen is a thinking flyhalf - not a bloody robot to be told in advance what he ahs to do on the field of play.
Looking at the present situation I strongly support Pollaed s flyhalf - since my rating of S teyn is as follows:-
1   Pollard2   Goosen3   Lambie4   Boshoff5   Katrakillis678910  Morne Steyn11 Francois Steyn
As for positions 6,7,8,9 pick any of the present CC flyhalfs - they are better than the two clueless Steyns.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Aug 2014, 21:42
#19
31 Aug 2014, 21:42#19
 There is no medication for your problem/s. Euthanasia is probably the only workable option.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 21:48
#20
31 Aug 2014, 21:48#20
Stupid - but funny   I have no problems - I am a realist who have seen Morne Steyn's performances in reality   
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 21:48
#21
31 Aug 2014, 21:48#21
Stupid - but funny   I have no problems - I am a realist who have seen Morne Steyn's performances in reality   
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Aug 2014, 23:23
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31 Aug 2014, 23:23#22
 A lot of crazy people think that they are perfectly normal and realistic . It is the rest of the world who is crazy.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2014, 00:11
#23
01 Sept 2014, 00:11#23
The stunning thing about Clever Mike is he actually thinks he has a full deck of cards. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Sept 2014, 00:18
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01 Sept 2014, 00:18#24
 Anybody supporting the Stade Francais Reject as Springbok flyhaf does not have a full deck of cards - they are missing all aces and all the tens - but they do have one-eyed jacks.   
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
01 Sept 2014, 00:27
#25
01 Sept 2014, 00:27#25
 Some are backing the Stade Francais reject. Others are backing the Racing Metro reject......
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Sept 2014, 00:34
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01 Sept 2014, 00:34#26
 Zeromoron
Let me put it bluntly - the main reason for the  Springbok loss on Saturday will be Morne - ably assisted by Pienaar.    
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
01 Sept 2014, 01:06
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01 Sept 2014, 01:06#27
 Messiah like....................
TT
The_TruthClub Pro471 posts
03 Sept 2014, 23:47
#28
03 Sept 2014, 23:47#28
Yeah! The geriatrics...

Argentina - Salta

Lood de Jager
Handre Pollard
Damien de Allende

Never realised they were that old?!?!?!
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