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The good news for Quintie...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jan 2018, 15:16
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27 Jan 2018, 15:16#1
....was he spent 10 minutes at the crease. The bad news is he went with the first ball he faced. When your technique is faulty you rely on on timing, and timing is a hard commodity to get back. He should probably have been left at 7 in the order. On the positive side the Proteas have given up on spin bowling for the moment, which reduces the pressure on his keeping. Amla and Elgar were magnificent today on a treacherous track. Elgar willing to wear the ball in defence of his wicket and Amla graceful and precise in dealing with the unpredictable bounce. For the Aussie series we need to bat through 7, with Philander coming in at 8. The Proteas remain horribly vulnerable to collapsing the moment the pressure is on. Elgar especially and Amla aside, these guys were mental midgets.
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
27 Jan 2018, 22:20
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27 Jan 2018, 22:20#2
Moz Agreed. De Kock should have been kept at 7 where he has scored almost all of his runs. Much like Gilchrist, QDK relies on his natural timing rather than fantastic footwork. He certainly has the credentials to average over 40 over his career but I feel that 7 is his best spot. I cannot understand why the Proteas go in with 5 quicks. Their best balance is a 6 / 4 split. Markham and Elgar could have turned their arms over for 12 overs in each innings. Pehlakwayo is nothing short of an average BEE selection. Anyway , I hope QDK gets back to form before the Aussies get here. More importantly I hope the back room staff are working on ways to get Steve Smith out quickly. I feel that he may be the difference between us and the trophy.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jan 2018, 23:10
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27 Jan 2018, 23:10#3
Smith was awesome in the tests, less so in the ODIs....but he has to be the man to stop. We have been imbalanced since Kallas retired. Guys like Morris had a few moments but never consolidated. We need a six that can bat and be our fifth bowler....and until we find that player the side will be struggling.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jan 2018, 06:04
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28 Jan 2018, 06:04#4

The real good news for De Kock is that he will earn R5 800 000 playing IPL cricket for 8 weeks in India - playing for Bengalure where AB will also play.

The list of failures the past test i s long.   It includes obviously De Kock - but do not forget about the batting failures of Du Plessis and AB as well as the poor fielding of at least three pkaters whoi missed regulation catches.     

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Jan 2018, 08:25
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28 Jan 2018, 08:25#5

SA groundsmen need firing. This pitch was absurd. The previous test wicket was l ike an Indian pitch. The groundsmen are morons.

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
28 Jan 2018, 20:14
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28 Jan 2018, 20:14#6
Unfortunately the groundsman won't get fired. Look at his name. BEE springs to mind? He has political immunity
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jan 2018, 08:21
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29 Jan 2018, 08:21#7

This from News24 and not from the dud who started this thread:-

"Quinton de Kock struggled with the bat more than most in South Africa's 2-1 Test series victory over India. 

In six knocks, the Proteas wicketkeeper scored 71 runs at an average of 11.83 that included two first ball ducks.

To put that into perspective, all of Kagiso Rabada, Vernon Philander and Keshav Maharaj outscored De Kock in this series. 

What makes that all the more concerning is the fact that, throughout the series, South Africa have opted to go bowling-heavy and that has seen De Kock employed as their No 6. 

De Kock has never been one to think too much about what he does at the crease. He plays on instinct, backs himself to play his shots and he has often described his own approach to the game as "see ball, hit ball". 

It has worked for the most part, but De Kock's Test average has now dipped below 40 as a result of his struggles against India. 

With four massive Tests against Australia coming up in March, South Africa need De Kock to start firing again. 

For skipper Faf du Plessis, there is no cause for alarm just yet.

"We all go through lean patches. I think the white ball is coming at a good time for Quinny, it will unshackle him," said Du Plessis, referring to the six-match ODI series against India that starts in Durban on Thursday.

"He’s obviously disappointed, as any player would be. He will go back and work hard on his game and make sure he can be better for the Australian series."

It was important, Du Plessis said, not to try and change De Kock's approach to batting.

"With Quinny, he’s a personality that doesn’t think too much about technical stuff. He’s a free spirit, x-factor player," Du Plessis said.

"So when things go wrong, as any player, you’ll feel like there’s pressure on you to perform.

"For Quinny it is just confidence. As soon as he gets one innings where he’s hitting the ball in the middle again, he’ll just jump straight back onto that boat of relaxing and just playing his game.

"I think it’s very important that you don’t try and change the way Quinton plays, because if you start talking from a technical point of view to Quinton – he’s never played the game like that.

"It’s just the case that sometimes in cricket you’re in form and you’re on top and the runs come.

"Quinny is just at the bottom of the wave at the moment but I know he’ll fight back to get on top again."
I would rather trust what Du Plesssis said about the player than what our local dud comes up with


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2018, 00:31
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30 Jan 2018, 00:31#8
Eina, I never realized it was that bad. I expect he’ll do better in the ODIs....could hardly do worse.....but the Aussie quicks will present another challenge. It’s obvious from what Faf says that there are significant technical issues. Faf is counting on his ‘instincts’ to turn things around. My guess is not so much, especially if the pressure is on.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jan 2018, 01:42
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30 Jan 2018, 01:42#9

Total repetitive hogwash.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2018, 14:14
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30 Jan 2018, 14:14#10
Yep a long series of failures, some of which were painful to watch...repetitive indeed. But nobody can fail forever....take heart.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jan 2018, 19:24
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30 Jan 2018, 19:24#11

Mozart

De Kock had one  series of failures painful to watch - Graeme Smith had two full seasons of failures which was worse to watch,  Read the above quoted article what Faf said about De Kock and try and leave the moron camp you thrive in.    I would rather believe Faf than your stupidity,   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2018, 22:55
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30 Jan 2018, 22:55#12
Q de Kock 2014-2018 29 47 5 1649 129* 39.26 3 11 4 ......... GC Smith 2002-2014 116 203 13 9253 277 48.70 27 38 10 .....Graeme Smith vs Quintie.....13 centuries vs 5 for Quintie.....highest score 277 vs 129 for Quintie.....centuries 27 vs 3 for Quintie.....average 48.7 vs 39.3 for Quintie. LMAOFY!.......Game, set and match.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2018, 07:22
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31 Jan 2018, 07:22#13

So dimwit - you do not know the difference between 2 and 12?    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jan 2018, 14:46
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31 Jan 2018, 14:46#14
Notice, I haven’t used a personal insult once....just dealt with facts. Your’dimwit’ is the last one I’m tolerating before I retaliate.....last warning. And no when you have played 29 tests, averages are comparable. You do understand an average balances the number of tests? Hell 3 hundreds in 47 innings is a hundred every 16 innings for Quintie vs 27 hundreds in 203 innings for Smith .....a hundred in less than every 8 innings for Smith. Twice as productive as Quintie. Smith over a much longer career, batting first up in every test, has much more impressive numbers.....case closed.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2018, 15:51
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31 Jan 2018, 15:51#15

Mozart

Let me quote your waffling:-

"Yep a long series of failures, some of which were painful to watch...repetitive indeed. But nobody can fail forever....take heart. :

I responded by saying that Smith in 2011 to 2013 had two season of failures - more painful to watch.   


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jan 2018, 17:07
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31 Jan 2018, 17:07#16
Which means that at Quintie’s career stage the gap was even bigger....keep digging.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Feb 2018, 00:32
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01 Feb 2018, 00:32#17

The gab is massive - totally favouring De Kock.   He made more ODI centuries in 58 matches than Smith made in his 10 year career.      Remember you cannot compare De Kock and Smith on test level - De Kock is not the opening batsman in tests.   He replaced Smith as opening batsman in ODI's - that makes the two in ODI's comparable - b ut you do not understand the similarity issue at all - so keep up the waffling.          

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Feb 2018, 00:32
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01 Feb 2018, 00:32#18

The gab is massive - totally favouring De Kock.   He made more ODI centuries in 58 matches than Smith made in his 10 year career.      Remember you cannot compare De Kock and Smith on test level - De Kock is not the opening batsman in tests.   He replaced Smith as opening batsman in ODI's - that makes the two in ODI's comparable - b ut you do not understand the similarity issue at all - so keep up the waffling.          

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Feb 2018, 01:05
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02 Feb 2018, 01:05#19
Geez can this get any more weird, now he has no sense of where his stumps are after scraping and edging to 30 odd.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2018, 01:37
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02 Feb 2018, 01:37#20

And he made the third highest Score and is attacked for that -while failures like Amla, Muller and co are not mentioned,   Utter BS and to blame him for an umpire mistake is ridiculous.

Are you  not ashamed of yourself for spreading utter BS on site?   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Feb 2018, 03:14
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02 Feb 2018, 03:14#21
Made the third highest score.....you mean the second slowest score on either side. Painful stuff. Only Markram was slower. Who is Muller by the way?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Feb 2018, 13:30
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02 Feb 2018, 13:30#22

Miller involved here,   By the way De Kock strike rate was 77.8 out of a hundred and that is always good enough for an opener.    Have you watched the game or are you always a prejudiced stooge.   

I will give you a bit of a lesson on cricket - since you are totally ignorant.   It is clear that Amla is really going down in ODI's and that there is no way that a player can stay on when he has developed hand-eye co-ordination problems,   He is constantly being clean bowled or being  LBW,

He should not open anymore and Markram should be moved to opener or they should call up Erwee from the Dolphins as opening batsman.   Maybe Amla could then move to three or 4 - where he is likely to face slower and softer balls,          

Duminy nd Miller was also really poor.    So open your eyes and stop being a prejudiced fool.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Feb 2018, 15:20
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02 Feb 2018, 15:20#23
Explain how 34 runs from 49 balls gives a strike rate of 77.8?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Feb 2018, 09:55
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03 Feb 2018, 09:55#24

It was from 45 balls - stooge

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Feb 2018, 14:16
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03 Feb 2018, 14:16#25
‘Batting R B 4s 6s Quinton de Kock lbw b Chahal 34 49 4 0’ Straight from News 24. ...Stooge.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Feb 2018, 14:35
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03 Feb 2018, 14:35#26
From ESPN cricket stats guru de Kock † lbw b Chahal 34 64 49 4 0 69.38 Stooge and shameless liar.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Feb 2018, 15:09
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03 Feb 2018, 15:09#27

OK - I accept the 49 story, but the fact is that it was still 70% ad that is twice as high as the averages attained by either Smith or Kallis in their performances when they played in ODI;s in their last two years on the circuit.

Secondly ignorance personified  - the Ref made a mistake and De Kock was not out and it was for Du Plessis to ask for a replay, neither of the two did - which was a mistake.  

Now suddenly the run rate is what counts irrespective of whether the batsmen  failed,  What a complete hash you are always making of things - not a liar just plain prejudiced and totally ignorant about any code of sport.      

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Feb 2018, 16:29
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03 Feb 2018, 16:29#28
That’s just lovely.....the proven liar, who hoped he wouldn’t be discovered....accuses the person who outed him of lying. You really are awful Tokkie.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Feb 2018, 17:42
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03 Feb 2018, 17:42#29

Not as awful as you are with you stupid arracks on some sportmen performing better than your  over-the hill losers.  I a few times a year makes mistakes based on memory so you  grabbed the to accuse me of being a liar  - you make mistakes based on constant stupidity and misrepresentation coming up with being a total liar beyond equal.           

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