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The Hurt & Pain of losing by Kia Kaha

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
05 Oct 2014, 12:18
#1
05 Oct 2014, 12:18#1

When somebody close to you dies, there are no comforting words. Time heals all wounds, at least he did not suffer, she’s in a better place.

People make such comments because they do not want to see you suffer. Well forgive me, but I need to suffer. I need to feel the hurt inside me.

Rugby is just a game. It is not a matter of life and death. Losing a rugby game can in no way be compared to losing a loved one.

That is not the reason I make the analogy. When New Zealand lose at rugby, it is not a time for mourning or grieving. The players cannot win all their games. You cannot, however, take away from me that numbing feeling of pain. Defeats hurt but I am okay with that hurt. You have to accept it is there.

As an All Black fan, I am in no doubt the players are hurting after that loss. They got themselves back into the match and retook the lead.

I offer my heartfelt congratulations to our greatest rivals and their fans. They are fulling deserving of their victory. There are no excuses. There never are. What might have been is irrelevant. New Zealand lost.

South Africa fans are fully entitled to their feelings of elation but I must not try to put a brave face on. I must accept defeat and take it on the chin but it is okay to feel its hollowing effects. I tip my hat to my vanquisher but I do not hide the fact that losing today hurts.

When you lose, it is always tempting to put a positive spin on defeat.

If we were going to lose a match, that was the opponent to do it against and the manner in which to do it. I can hear that comment being made as I write this. This game did not mean anything and South Africa wanted it more. It is good to get a loss leading up to the World Cup. Winning every game builds up too much pressure.

I fully anticipate such comments. I do not even doubt some of their validity. They do not take away the pain, though.

If Richie McCaw had taken three points when they were on offer, we would not be having this conversation now. We really missed Brodie Retallick. How did that replay of that ugly Messam tackle pop up on the big screen with no call from the ref or advice from the touch judges?

Those are more comments I can see being made. I argued in Wellington that South Africa should have taken the three points on offer in the 74th minute. At 11 points down, Richie’s insistence on going for a try could well be questioned and how that wonderfully taken penalty goal by Patrick Lambie came about needs to be clarified but it does not matter.

South Africa won and they are deserving winners. No excuses or comforting words can be found for me.

Positives as well as negatives need to be both evaluated and talked about for the upcoming match. You cannot put a positive spin on defeat though. You cannot explain away defeat. You can only work towards improving for the next match but in order to move on, you have to face up to the reality of what has happened. You have to feel a genuine, honest reaction.

New Zealand were simply not good enough in the first half. South Africa were bold and adventurous and it paid dividends.

When previously they would have kicked, they spun the ball wide looking for gaps. New Zealand were caught napping and the open spaces were found. A wonderful try to Hougaard was followed up by the young Pollard identifying slow runners in the defensive line.

By contrast we did not see Beauden Barrett, who tasted defeat for the first time, take on the line and look for those gaps. New Zealand came back with their own adventure through Savea (you can argue who is greater but both players do not know how to score against South Africa) and Fekitoa did what Pollard did and sniffed out weakness in the South African defensive line.

A fair reflection of how the first half went would happen after an attacking South African scrum saw Pollard take the line on and the gamble paid off.

South Africa were flooding the breakdown and disrupting New Zealand ball. Vermeulen is surely the player of the year putting in another man-of-the-match display. He was not alone with Bismarck Du Plessis and Teboho Mohoje examples of players who stole New Zealand ball and deprived them of continuity.

The second half saw New Zealand control territory and possession better. South Africa were tiring as the half went on and I think Richie McCaw sensed with two tries needed, going for three points was going for enough. I have no problem with people saying with so much time on the clock, you take the points and you aim to get the ball back and score more points. I have no problem with the idea that the decision was eventually vindicated and South Africa’s confidence took a beating when Ben Smith expertly finished off his chance cutting inside.

It certainly looked that way with the next score with New Zealand not needing to do much but let their man advantage speak for itself and they were in the corner. A difficult kick but it needed to be made by Barrett.

Lambie made a drop goal attempt but I was confident of New Zealand holding out South Africa like they did in Wellington. Liam Messam should feel the weight of responsibility as his careless tackle saw the South Africa retake the lead and New Zealand could not repeat their Ireland heroics.

I expect Aaron Cruden to come back for the Brisbane match and Beau Barrett to drop to the bench. I also expect Ryan Crotty to replace Malakai Fekitoa, Keven Mealamu to make way for Dane Coles and Thrush to drop to the bench with Brodie Retallick back. Perhaps harsh on Fekitoa but Crotty’s performance in Eden Park and his brief cameo justify a recall. It was pleasing for me to see Steven Luatua look hungry and sharp as well and Hansen will have a hard time deciding whether he picks Sam Cane or Steve Luatua.

There are things to work on and positives to take on for the match in Brisbane.

New Zealand lost today though and no comforting words are going to make me feel any better. New Zealand will regroup and look for big gains in improvement.

Until that match in Brisbane occurs, it is not a question of wallowing in despair or self pity. It is owning up to the loss and recognising the sting of defeat. In order for it not to become a habit, you have to be honest with your feelings. New Zealand do not need to put a brave face on to the world. The world needs to know that they are hurting by what happened today.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Oct 2014, 20:26
#2
05 Oct 2014, 20:26#2
 Not feeling good at all kbbs - avail yourself of Beeno's friendly councelling services designed to help shattered kbbs! Bwahahahahahahaha
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Oct 2014, 20:27
#3
05 Oct 2014, 20:27#3
 The offer is made as Cloudy is not quite herself right now despite the brave front.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
05 Oct 2014, 20:30
#4
05 Oct 2014, 20:30#4
 Bean Brain, congratulations on that two point victory over our B team mate  ...aint that racial quota working a treat...
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Oct 2014, 20:34
#5
05 Oct 2014, 20:34#5
 Hi there Brycy ya half wit. It could get ugly for the wee abs when the Boks field their strongest team.
How are your sesssions with the shrink going brycy! I suppose getting a booking will be very problematic in nz right now! Hahahahahahahaha hence Beeno's friendly councelling services being made available to all kbbs - even including warped DUd and ab ass!
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Oct 2014, 20:36
#6
05 Oct 2014, 20:36#6
 Bye the way brycy Pakie ahs establsiehd there was a bad forward pass by the abs so you should cancell one try. Barnes gave you that to make up for his RWC error.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Oct 2014, 20:41
#7
05 Oct 2014, 20:41#7
 
Beeno: getting carried away after one measly win, lol

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Oct 2014, 20:44
#8
05 Oct 2014, 20:44#8
 Another kiwi feeling the hurt. My good friend JW. It really pains me to hear this grief. When will it end I ask myself!Perhaps if you can beat Oz?
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
05 Oct 2014, 20:49
#9
05 Oct 2014, 20:49#9
 Bean Brain maybe swap the geriatric Habana for Senatla , a simple one for one swap - your khaki klad mates should be okay with that surely...
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Oct 2014, 21:10
#10
05 Oct 2014, 21:10#10
 Sorry the racists here dont wear khaki. You saw one being introduced to the Bok team on Saturday.These are the real twits messing up the country.
Senatla looks promising brycy and could find himslef on tour. I see the Boks are taking 36 players. 
Habana was a bit quiet on Saturday. He and Jean are nearing the end. It old man time brycy. Old man mcaaaw was over the hill a while a back of course. I think both Jean and Bryan will make the RWC but that will be it. So much young tal ent coming through.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
05 Oct 2014, 21:38
#11
05 Oct 2014, 21:38#11

....Bean Brain I've been reading about the reason the All Blacks don't play in Newlands ....apparently there is one over-riding reason and it is concern over the hostility created by a sizeable minority of coloured supporters who openly support the All Blacks - and the Crusaders when they are in town - because of historical grievances against the apartheid regime.

  

After more than two decades of democracy, this section of South Africans still refuses to support the Springboks because of the team's historical links to the past white elite.

  

Many of the young South African coloureds who grew up hating the Boks are now grandfathers, and the passion they had for the All Blacks has now passed through to a new generation. But the aggression and frustration have also grown stronger.

 

The tensions have been heightened by the attitude of a group in the Western Cape, who believe that not enough coloured players are included in the Boks.

Twice in the past two years, fallout from the Crusaders' Super Rugby fixtures against the Stormers in Cape Town made the front page.

 

Last year, on Easter weekend, fights erupted between locals and the Stormers were booed off the team bus on arrival at Newlands, their home stadium.

Springboks centurion Bryan Habana voiced his angst with the "Cape Crusaders" - the group of locals and Port Elizabeth-based fans who sparked the controversy - on Twitter.

 

"If I had the money I would happily buy all these ‘Cape Crusaders' a one way ticket to Christchurch!! #disappointedproudsouthafrican," Habana said at the time.

"Highly doubt there's any place in the world where you get booed off your bus, at your home stadium, by your ‘fellow' countrymen.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Oct 2014, 21:45
#12
05 Oct 2014, 21:45#12
 Brycy you get bent loonies in every society - you possibly fullfill that sort of role in nz?
The newer generation is more supportive of the Boks. As a percentage of the crowd they are very small but try and get any attention they can.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Oct 2014, 21:48
#13
05 Oct 2014, 21:48#13
 Brycy: poor Beeno hasn't slept, washed or changed his clothes since the win. Will it be 7 years before they win again? Could become very un savoury around beeno, lol
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
05 Oct 2014, 21:59
#14
05 Oct 2014, 21:59#14

 JW , see the relief on the yarpys faces after a lucky win against our B team...too funny...


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
05 Oct 2014, 22:04
#15
05 Oct 2014, 22:04#15
Glad Meyer survived the shock of the win Brycy on the whole he is a decent bloke & a decent coach. After all he always picks weee Matfield.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Oct 2014, 22:27
#16
05 Oct 2014, 22:27#16
 kbbs your grief is coming out sideways. Remember Uncle Beeno is always here for you - a strong shoulder to cry on and a big box of tissues. There, there it will get better.  Cloudy let me know when you are up and running as I would not want to take over your regular clientele. 

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
05 Oct 2014, 22:49
#17
05 Oct 2014, 22:49#17

Bean Brain glad to see you enjoying such  a rare Springbok win mate...


 

CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
06 Oct 2014, 00:49
#18
06 Oct 2014, 00:49#18
 You want to feel real hurt and pain try being a wallaby supporter.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
06 Oct 2014, 01:04
#19
06 Oct 2014, 01:04#19
 ...I hear the lowest point for Australia yesterday was the singing of the  Australian national anthem...
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
06 Oct 2014, 01:12
#20
06 Oct 2014, 01:12#20
 HA, It was quite a stirring rendition. Went some something along the lines of Australians all let us rejoice da da da da da da. Even most of our players were laughing. It really was funny to watch. You could sense the singers excitement when he came to a bit of the anthem he new the words to.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
06 Oct 2014, 13:27
#21
06 Oct 2014, 13:27#21
 Too funny Claydog  - that and Brycys picture of Meyer having a heart attack 
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Oct 2014, 16:01
#22
06 Oct 2014, 16:01#22
Hey Hakwa, fantastic post! Very gracious and honest! A few SA posters could learn a thing or two from you.
It obviously took you a bunch of time to make this well thought out post and all people can do is talk about their petty crap.
Well done mate! A very good read!
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Oct 2014, 16:04
#23
06 Oct 2014, 16:04#23
Bluebok, it's a copy and paste. Hakwa isn't claiming it as his own, hence the heading "The Hurt & Pain of losing by Kia Kaha"


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WardadPro6,663 posts
06 Oct 2014, 16:17
#24
06 Oct 2014, 16:17#24
 Congrats to the boks and the vast majority of fans ,as for beanhead yeah well not a good look is it  ?But hes been droning on about an imminent win for 3 years so like a stopped clock hes eventually right.At least its not the last game of the year so plenty more joy to come [ touch wood] Off to suncorp where after a loss and a draw I am due a win !Blue bok must have had a big day out eh? I am happy for guys like him and Rooie but anyone  crowing should take note of peeps like cloudy and JW who are allways gracious even in victory or  the odd loss here and there.I could really rip into beandork but it would be as ungracious as he is so fark it cheers !

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
07 Oct 2014, 00:47
#25
07 Oct 2014, 00:47#25
 hey bluebok, thanks for the shout out. As Rooinek said, the article wasn't mine but was penned by someone writting under the name of Kia Kaha (stay strong) and it reflected alot of our raw emotions which I for one will not hide but chose to address instead of trying to be a good loser. We are ABs because we want to win ALL Tests.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
07 Oct 2014, 00:55
#26
07 Oct 2014, 00:55#26
 Hey Hakwa ! yes I dont know how other fans can put up with it all the time ,the last time in 2009 I know I werent too fecking happy but at least we got to take it out on other teams ! The ABS are rarely down for long so meh ,we still have the Silver eh ?BB would have had a great first up live test , mine was all frigging nastyness and protesters and cops and dogs and crap ,took the shine off the win .
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
07 Oct 2014, 02:21
#27
07 Oct 2014, 02:21#27
 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
07 Oct 2014, 02:34
#28
07 Oct 2014, 02:34#28
It is not too bad. It is just his accent, and perhaps turning it into classical music. 
Nothing compared to that Rastafarian smoking a joint while singing the SA anthem in France. 
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
07 Oct 2014, 02:36
#29
07 Oct 2014, 02:36#29
Ha, he missed a lot of words. Most of the correct words are coming from the players.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
07 Oct 2014, 02:44
#30
07 Oct 2014, 02:44#30
Cloudy not sure what you mean by post? Is that create a thread?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
07 Oct 2014, 02:55
#31
07 Oct 2014, 02:55#31
Hi Cloudy,
This is it here. Just found it. I think France employed some local street singers an hour before the match.


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
07 Oct 2014, 02:57
#32
07 Oct 2014, 02:57#32
in minute  0:48, their are 2 other rastas beating on drums
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
07 Oct 2014, 03:20
#33
07 Oct 2014, 03:20#33
I think that a formal complaint was made. It was beyond a joke, even insulting. Although the players looked like they found it funny.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
07 Oct 2014, 03:35
#34
07 Oct 2014, 03:35#34
 "Football Federation Australia has been forced to apologise for an embarrassing gaffe which saw the Ghanaian team start Friday night's international friendly against the Socceroos without hearing their national anthem.

In bizarre scenes, the Ghana anthem was eventually played before the start of the second half at the Sydney Football Stadium, drawing a sarcastic applause from the crowd and bringing further attention to the blunder.

"FFA apologises profusely to the Ghana Football Association and to the Ghana fans," an official FFA statement read"
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WardadPro6,663 posts
07 Oct 2014, 05:11
#35
07 Oct 2014, 05:11#35
 Meh , next time France is in SA have some grumpy looking Froggy in a beret with a string of onions over his shoulder , gauloise  dangling from his lower lip singing the Marsellaise .....
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
07 Oct 2014, 06:55
#36
07 Oct 2014, 06:55#36
 You were right Sharkbok. That is way worse. Insulting to say the least.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
07 Oct 2014, 06:56
#37
07 Oct 2014, 06:56#37
This is how you butcher an anthem 
Best anthem ever
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
07 Oct 2014, 07:50
#38
07 Oct 2014, 07:50#38
 Hey its Enricho Palotzo.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Oct 2014, 08:06
#39
07 Oct 2014, 08:06#39
 I find amany of the above posts off the topic and very insentitive.This is the situation re warped DUD and company: 


Its a time for being a compfort to our ailing kbbs friends. Extending a tissue would not go amiss. A kind word like it could have been worse etc. Hahahahahahahaha
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
07 Oct 2014, 08:40
#40
07 Oct 2014, 08:40#40
 
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