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The idiot beanhead now justifies slavery

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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Dec 2013, 14:56
#1
10 Dec 2013, 14:56#1

While posting some longwinded garbage that stuffed up the thread beandick has gone out of his way to justify slavery ,just check out the bit that says slavery is neither inherently good or bad ,beano you are no christian by any stretch of the imagination if you think slavery is justified in any shape or form you vile little creature .

Utterly revolting you nasty little git ,sitting in church on Sunday with a pious expression on your dopey face does not absolve you of any of your garbage and certainly does not make you a Christian .

Do you really believe that some forms of slavery are OK ? as for the rubbish about slavery in ancient Rome and to a lesser extent Greece it was every bit as cruel as one would think , I am actually just finishing my final semester studying ancient history so I reckon I know more than you  on the subject .

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
10 Dec 2013, 14:59
#2
10 Dec 2013, 14:59#2
 Beeno, where are you?  Fix my post by summarising your long and whinding contribution to 2 sentences, NO make that 2 words 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
10 Dec 2013, 15:13
#3
10 Dec 2013, 15:13#3
Wardrad different times have different value systems. 
What about working where the minimum wage is either non-existent, or so low that it may as well be. This is just Modern day slavery. In a few hundred years historians and others will look back and be very critical of this inequality. 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Dec 2013, 15:44
#4
10 Dec 2013, 15:44#4
 Maybe so but slavery in ancient times was every bit as cruel as imagined and there is no justification for it .....ever ,Put yourself in the position of someone who is OWNED by another and as valuable property you may be treated like a prize bull but like cattle your progeny will be taken away from you .A worker on a low wage is kept in place by economic factors rather than being property subject to lawful ownership as for slaves .Indentured servitude and bonded servants were just different forms of slavery ,ones master may be "kind" or caring of his property but even that is heinous just for owning another human being .And human nature being what it is many slave owners were cruel even by the amoral standards of a society that justifies slaves ,the whole act of owning another person is degrading to all involved .
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2013, 15:53
#5
10 Dec 2013, 15:53#5

 Slavery is legally prohibited - yet practiced world wide under different guises.   Because it is normally the rich and powerful that exploit the poor using -


*   pitifully low starvation wages

*   abuse of migrant workers fleeing poverty in their own countries

*   sex-slavery

*   under-age (child) workers.


In most countries where migrants are in countries illegally - slavery is rife.  The mere threat to report illegals to the authorities is enough to keep people in bondage.  You find this type of thing rife in Europe, North America and even Australia.  


Child labour is an abuse in the Indian sub-continent, in Africa and in many other countries in Asia and South America.    This is helped along by dictatorial regimes that uses political prisoners as a labour resource.    


New Zealand is an isolated small country with a small population.   The situation can be legally controlled easily.  


South Africa have an illegal migrant population estimated  in excess of 8 000 000 people.  How do you prevent abuse under such conditions?   You will always find abuse under such conditions - sometimes with racial undertones - but mostly amongst people of the same race.


The illegals in SA is prepared to work for wages way lower than the legal locals - the legals can report slave wages to the authorities - the illegals cannot.   Despite this the illegals pour into South Africa continuously - even with pitiful wages they are still better off than they were in their countries of origin.   Even under the apartheid regime - there was approximately 2 000 000 such Black economic refugees in South Africa.  For those people it is better to work as a gardener in SA than it is to be a teacher in Zimbabwe - where death can result from mere suspicions they are against the regime.


Whereas illegals compete with legals for work - they are ostracised by the local community with xenophobic attacks form time to time.    


Not a happy environment altogether - not so?


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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Dec 2013, 16:12
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10 Dec 2013, 16:12#6
 Yes but the fact remains that in any form it is wrong ! And any justification is perpetuating this most heinous and disgusting of acts .It is wrong no matter the social mores or conventions of time or place or who is justifying it .Wrong ....just plain wrong .
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
10 Dec 2013, 16:17
#7
10 Dec 2013, 16:17#7
Let's hope brother Beeno is just making a joke in bad taste.  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Dec 2013, 16:19
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10 Dec 2013, 16:19#8
Hmmmm seems ou warped dud is still struggling. Read the post a  few dozen times warped dud and you may get a clue. Did you look up the scripture references?Consider why the people of Israel were lead out of slavery by a God you claim supports slavery. Or why a comandment says love the neighbour as thy self. Or the teaching of do unto others as they would have them do unto you.Or why the greatest champions against slavery have been Christian etc etc etc. You are sounding very weird!!!
Then ask yourself why you as sinful creature are endeavouring to makle out that God is a monster. Something very wrong here. 
Read the scriptures and perhaps you will be like Paul on the road to Damascus and be turned around 180 degrees in a moment. Ditto all those thinking these very unhealhy thoughts from the pit. Always remember Jesus is the GOOD Shepherd come to Him and find rest for your souls.




JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
10 Dec 2013, 16:28
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10 Dec 2013, 16:28#9
Bird-brain beeno (apologies to all birds): simple question: are you against slavery? 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Dec 2013, 16:37
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10 Dec 2013, 16:37#10
 You friggin halfwit your supporting something written by some biblical "scholar" to justify what was written by men thousands of years ago when it was de-riguer to own people .Your continued support of slavery is disgusting ,try reading the bits where the author justifies slavery  you moron.
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
10 Dec 2013, 16:38
#11
10 Dec 2013, 16:38#11

ahhhh a career academic wardud no doubt suckling off the superior education standards australia provides to you ungrateful kiwis.................

 

The thing i find most deluded about academics is their ideological frailties...

They love to talk theory and yet very few have practical experience or know-how....

 

anyway each unto their own -

 

For the record -  I wouldnt mind some kiwi slaves to get me some eggs and fush and chups....

 

 

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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Dec 2013, 16:41
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10 Dec 2013, 16:41#12
 What would you know arsehole ,fuck off and join the Australian Army and pay your dues to this country like I have ,and my wife and kids can trace their ownership of this land back 50000 years idiot ...As for academia what would a brain dead racist like you and beandick know ? What is your big contribution ? I was a shearer for many years and actually helped produce something unlike you fuckwit .Why dont you go and look at a wobblies Bledisloe highlights reel oh lets say for the last decade or so that should take a second or two.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Dec 2013, 16:54
#13
10 Dec 2013, 16:54#13
 Hahaha cloudy thats a bit harsh on our poor wee PI cuzzies ,hes more like those norwegian rats that jumped ship or maybe one of their fleas is more in keeping with his diminutive stature ? Actually he's quite clever learning to type with his head in beandicks crotch .
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
10 Dec 2013, 17:03
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10 Dec 2013, 17:03#14

Another insensitive post from Beeno

 

At least he is consistent  

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WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Dec 2013, 17:08
#15
10 Dec 2013, 17:08#15
 Nah cloudy meant its a bit harsh likening him to a Tongan or Samoan when a flea from a rats butt is more his style .
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Dec 2013, 22:47
#16
10 Dec 2013, 22:47#16
 I see ou warped dud is moving on from his tantrum to Cloudy getting a laugh from the old geezer.
The bible is against slavery and so am I JW. Read the posts I made carefully and the scriptures. Wish someone could read them to poor old warped DUD! The poor oak thinks he is a more moral being than GOD. Man that must be certifiable! Its worse than  ou rooitwit thinking nothing created everything via the laws of gravity.  
I saw an hilarious clip on You Tube where a noted aethist was put in a horrible spot. He was asked if there was something such as truth. Its basically againt all they think to blieve truth exists in this random universe that just happened and is a result of irratioanl forces at play ala that certifible nutter richard dorkins. However if he admits this then he is completely stuffed as it means he cant be sure what he says is true. So what does the oak do - he says he doesnt know Bwahahahahahahahahaha. Man its hard being an athiest in todays scientific world. They have to be the lunatic fringe. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Dec 2013, 22:50
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10 Dec 2013, 22:50#17
 Oh one more thing. Dev ad could you please go and offer your support to the dev some where else. W e want none of him here.
Thanks.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
10 Dec 2013, 23:44
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10 Dec 2013, 23:44#18
@benno1 aka storminged,

brother beeno could u please edit that thread, ur last post has made it impossible to reply and i would like to respond to some of ur comments, :o)
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
10 Dec 2013, 23:46
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10 Dec 2013, 23:46#19
Arguing with a religious person about their beliefs is useless, they'll dismiss any sound argument you have. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2013, 00:25
#20
11 Dec 2013, 00:25#20
 So the universe creating itself from nothing via the laws of gravity is a sound argument!The God who rescues the Israelites from slavery encourages slavery rather than limiting it and showing men a better way to relate is an unsound argument then??? Bwahahahahahhahaha  pleeeeease!


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
11 Dec 2013, 00:34
#21
11 Dec 2013, 00:34#21
Beeno: glad you are against slavery your statement: "The bible is against slavery and so am I" is clear enough for me. 
You managed to rile up a few of us, I would  much rather be riled up about you rugby views - they are also confusing but certainly more enjoyable.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2013, 00:35
#22
11 Dec 2013, 00:35#22
 Brother saSUE I do hope your next contribution is more edifyng than the efforts of certain dopes who have not exactly excelled to put it very mildly!
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
11 Dec 2013, 00:38
#23
11 Dec 2013, 00:38#23
If the All Blacks are the slaves of the South Africa in 2014, and more importantly at the 2015 Worldcup that is justified.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
11 Dec 2013, 00:48
#24
11 Dec 2013, 00:48#24
 Because a superior being creating stuff at the click of his fingers is believable? Someone turning water into wine, walking on water and coming back from the dead is too. Explain evolution, don't say that God intended it as that will contradict Adam and Eve. It's all nonsense, Church was created for gain, Catholicism is the biggest joke of them all.  
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
11 Dec 2013, 00:52
#25
11 Dec 2013, 00:52#25
Beeno, "the universe creating itself from nothing via the laws of gravity", is a stronger argument than God creating the world in 7 days ( no other universe existing), only a flat earth with the sun revolving around us.
Then Adam and Eve being the only 2 people in the World, having 2 kids- Cane and Able- making 4 people in the World.
Then Cane and Able to going to the village to get wife's....( um, where did the village come from?).
The story about eating the Apple is really just a joke, or at the very best a story for young children to help them learn the difference between right and wrong.

NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
11 Dec 2013, 00:54
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11 Dec 2013, 00:54#26
 Erm, the bible endorses slavery wholeheartedly.  This issue presents the inquiring Christian with a serious moral dilemma.  How does one reconcile the bibles pro slavery, pro incest, misogynist scriptures with their own, naturally EVOLVED, secular morals.  After all, it was secular morals that opposed slavery in the 19th century.  Anyways, here's some scripture promoting the virtues of slavery. I challenge ANYONE to find me ONE biblical verse that condemns slavery. 
    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him.  If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.'  If he does this, his master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.  (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

 


 
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.  (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)


Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.  (Ephesians 6:5)

    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.  (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)



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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
11 Dec 2013, 01:01
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11 Dec 2013, 01:01#27
 Uh oh, beandick is on shaky moral ground with his version of events.  Shezza is right. It's is impossible to reason with folk who have been infected with the religion virus.  How does one have a cogent discussion with someone whose ultimate authority is an imaginary voice in their heads?  
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WardadPro6,663 posts
11 Dec 2013, 01:11
#28
11 Dec 2013, 01:11#28
 You eejit ,that garbage you posted was a poorly reasoned justification for slavery containing no references as to authorship .Unlike Brother Brycy who nailed you with the actual scriptures quoting the bible being quite OK with slavery whilst that rubbish you put up only referenced biblical passages .
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
11 Dec 2013, 01:36
#29
11 Dec 2013, 01:36#29
Whoops, you are still in trouble Beeno. Lesson of the day: If you stir up crap you get crap on your face.
                                   
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Bokke85Newbie10 posts
11 Dec 2013, 01:45
#30
11 Dec 2013, 01:45#30
The bible also says that we shouldn't wear more than one type of fabric or don't let different types of cattle graze in the same field, the fundamentals of Christianity is always the same (love thy neighbour) but the bible is ancient and shouldn't be relied on for modern society to justify anything, especially slavery!
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Dec 2013, 01:46
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11 Dec 2013, 01:46#31
Wehe, I see the blithering idiot Baboon-ou is stubbornly sticking to his narrow-minded and infantile world view while getting absolutely pwned by everyone . . . except the pitiful dolt doesn't realise it!
I have to laugh at these blinkered happy-clappy dimwits who choose to believe the word of primitive nomads from thousands of years ago rather than that of modern day scientists.
In case anyone was wondering, Baboon-ou is not just an indoctrinated bible-bashing fundamentalist, he's actually a Young Earth Creationist who believes the laughable tripe on a website called www.answersingenesis.org. If you don't believe me, ask Baboon-ou about the age of the earth . . . or the story of Noah's Ark and how Noah managed to keep the dinosaurs from eating all the other animals. Go on, ask him . . . and get ready for a good laugh!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!
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WardadPro6,663 posts
11 Dec 2013, 02:13
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11 Dec 2013, 02:13#32
 Holey guacomole ! he beleives that garbage ? Yup a mountain of evidence means nothing in the face of unwavering idiocy and indoctrination .That rubbish bean dork posted even contradicts itself ! Check out where he quotes Deuteronomy while ignoring Deuteronomy 20 where it states that if a beseiged city surrenders then everyone gets to be your workers for life but if they resist just a little then you kill all the men and make the women and children slaves [ which also contradicts the rubbish about the bible saying you cant capture people to be slaves ,all in the same stupid article mind you ]  and crikey if you really fight back hard well then just kill everyone ! except the trees because in an insane twist of logic you shouldnt kill the fruit trees as they dont go to war ,other tress you can kill to make siege engines and such cos you know theyre bad feckin trees and deserve it .Beandork your bible is supposed to tell you how to live life not create it like rooineck says what would primitive nomads know of science ? ,as Gallileo said "the bible tells us how to go to heaven not how the heavens go "bugger it I may as well talk to those trees ,even the non fruity ones .
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Dec 2013, 02:49
#33
11 Dec 2013, 02:49#33
Beenkop, you really are a strange one.......anti Matfield and a bible basher.......you never cease to amaze!!!
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
11 Dec 2013, 02:53
#34
11 Dec 2013, 02:53#34
 Beeno is ok. He is my friend and I agree with him so leave him alone people.

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
11 Dec 2013, 02:56
#35
11 Dec 2013, 02:56#35
 Beeno mate, you really have to delete some of your wiki related copy and paste on Redsman's Gay Cup LOL so that the post can continue - I want to beat Saffex's "I am leaving this site" numbers. Come on mate and do the right things and stop getting caught in the cross fire
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
11 Dec 2013, 07:04
#36
11 Dec 2013, 07:04#36

I see Warpdud you're an AJ... explains the irrational anger...

 

To fill you in a little:

1. My Brother currently serving as LT Col in Australia Army

2. Grandfather fought in PNG and Brunei WW2 defended this country against Japanese invasion forces - meaning many of you kiwis would be speaking Japanese if not for men like him....

3. Uncle - Army Conscript Vietnam fought in Battle of Long Tan received award for heroism along with only ~18 more men received - has a street named after him in Canberra.

 

My kids are a mix of:  English, Aboriginal, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Serbian, Islander (kanaka origin) - so calling me a redneck and racist is a little ironic... considering I wouldn't know which race to be racist or redneck about.......... maybe I can pick on Gay Asian Kiwis ............ lol

 

Finally too I accept as being the sole voice standing up for the at times struggling aussie rugby team I get emotive but it is my job as an aussie to keep prideful tightly wound kiwis in their place - especially when quite often they haven't been round long enough to know any better.... and display extreme hypocrisy when directing their anger toward Quade and other young men who decide to play for the team that has given them so much.........

 

And for the last time Cloudy Headed - BOGANS DO NOT WATCH RUGBY IN THIS COUNTRY.............. or the ones that do have migrated from NZ -

 

 at least learn what a bogan is before you start using the term.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

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WardadPro6,663 posts
11 Dec 2013, 08:50
#37
11 Dec 2013, 08:50#37
Yeah family may have served Australia but not you ,and if you act like a racist red-neck then thats all you are ,and none of what you have said gives you the right to denigrate others . Which uncle at Long Tan ? My RSM at Healesville  was the medic for Delta company and if you are bullshitting then you are as low as it gets .My family served in every war from the Maori wars to the present so we owe you nothing ,nada,zip .Guys like my wifes Grand Uncle who served in the US Navy are the ones you ought to thank for saving us from the Japs .Coopers an arsehole who put his big moputh in gear and bit off more than he could chew ,I was born and bred down the road from him and his family ,even played against the Tokoroa club he started off in so I rserve the right to call the little prick whatever I want to .No one begrudges someone barracking for their team but only a douche does that by attacking someone elses team to try and build their own team up , most Kiwis couldnt be bothered as the ABS make it totally unnecessary to do so.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2013, 09:51
#38
11 Dec 2013, 09:51#38
 Hi there hakwa thanks for the kindly words and of course God is not the monster these oaks are trying so hard to convince themselves He is. God is truth and Holy and all together perfect.But back to business. The teaching of the bible has to be taken holistically and in context.As I am sure no one bothered to read Exodus 15 versus 12 to 18 allow me to quote it as I am sure some of the oaks dont even have a bible and certainly never read it:
If a fellow hebrew, a man or  woman, SELLS HIMSELF TO YOU (Note GOd is not encouraging him to do so) and serves you for six years, in the seventh year you MUST let him go free. AND when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. Supply him liberally from your flock, you threshing floor and your winepress. Give to him as the Lord your God has blessed you.Remember that you were slaves in Eygpt and the Lord redeemed you. That is why I give you thsi command today (Now some oaks think God was in favour of that cruel form of slavery!!!!!!!! The mind boggles)So just as God redeemed Israel from slavery so must you release the one who sold himself to you after that person has worked for 6 years. More than that you are to BLESS him LIBERALLY FROM YOUR FLOCK, THRESHING FLOOR AND WINEPRESS - AND NO WARPED DUD GOD DOES NOT ENCOURAGE DRUNKENESS lest again you get the wrong impression and go off on a rant!!
Vers 16 - But if your servant says to you, "I do not want to leave you," because he loves you and the family (Note this oaks!!) and is well off with you (AGAIN note this oaks!!!), then take an awl and push it through his ear lobe into the door and he will become your servant for life....DO NOT consider it a hardship to set your servant free, because his service to you these six years has been worth twice as much as a hired hand. And the Lord will bless you in everything you do.
Now oaks you surely can see this is a very differenrt set of circumstances to the brutal slavery we see elsewhere where God has not laid down some guidlines. Also please remember God in numerous places calls on people to behave decently towards their fellow human beings and gives intruction thereto.All this also frames these relationships.So there is the context and the holistic view oaks so please read the other scriptures in the post I made and your enlightenment may even grow!!
Now my friend Sharkbok errs on two points. Firstly Sharkbok NOTHING could be dafter than saying the Universe created itself from nothing using the laws of gravity. That has to be the most stupid comment ever made.Genesis opens up with the unequivocal statement that "In the Beginning God created the heavens and the earth.After that God said - let there be light.No one knows the gap between the initial act of creation and this next statement. Furthermore the length of these days is uncertain as the words used for days have more than one meaning.I did post on all this some time ago and if I can find my reference book I will give it to you again.Another point - the cambian explosion also deals a death blow to the antiquated nonsense called dawinism. Before the cambrian explosion there is NO sign of live. Then suddenly there is all sort of life and fauna etc in its full blown state. 
The best advice to the oaks is not to try and sit in judgement of God who is the judge but consider your need for the Saviour lest you be judged. That is sanity. Your trying to sit in judgement of the Holy God is the hight of folly. 
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten SON that whosoever believed in Him should not perish but have eternal life. Now how is that for a GIFT!!
Now as for Mandela if you think he is a secualr saint thing again. Go and google mandela Saint ofr Sinner. Or Google Mandela the dark side.For the sake of the Mandela groupies still in deep mourning be sensitive like Beeno and dont publish your findings here.Because I dont think Mandela is a secular saint doesn't mean I think apartheid was okay. That is ou warped DUD simpy jumping to his absurd conclusions once more. What I am saying is Mandela was no secular saint. 
Beeno patiently setting the record straight.



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redsmanPro1,710 posts
11 Dec 2013, 10:02
#39
11 Dec 2013, 10:02#39

such hate-filled words you kiwis seriously need to learn to get over things... wait till the ABs actually start losing........................ the fact you cant get over the QC thing just typifies the sad hate filled existence you must live....

 

Long Tan - bona fide buddy why would I make that up.... and for obvious privacy reasons Im not naming names..................

 

I still don't get it though that you have so much hate for aussies and yet live here?????? I think that is the thing with most maoris - too much hate and generally just bullies with pack mentality - maybe this is your cultural background....................

 

If chose to go to ADFA back in the early 90s I was accepted and could have... just had other priorities and very content with my choices ive made.......

 

Seriously Cloudy Headed I have been using the term 'bogan' before you were probably born - the term in Qld use to be 'Bevan' which is carries the same connotation - the 'Bogan' term was more of a Victorian term but has spread to become a nationally recognised sub-culture in Australia -

 

stop trying to presume to teach me anything about where I have been born and bred  - as the only thing you've ever shown is your one-eyed hatred of aussies not to mention blinded favouritism of the AIGs.........

 

My efforts at conciliation are obviously lost on you two as you are clearly too thick, hate-filled and self-centred to move on...........

 

btw hes in this picture:

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Dec 2013, 10:17
#40
11 Dec 2013, 10:17#40
 Redsman could you please stop quarelling with Lady Cloudy and pay close attention to the important issues raised on this thread.All folk down under are either bogans, bevans or mongs!   
Sorry but I miss the point about the picture but seems strange all the bevans have barbies?
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