The Irish Model

They have a simple philosophy on attack. They seldom stray more than 10m from the previous ruck, and the always involve shapes that have a straight runner and a slider underneath. They choose what's given by the defence. Pin and move. They are always pressuring the defence to commit to the pin, or shift to the wide threat. They are highly adept at using the pin in creative ways to get a breach, even if it's a marginal gain, and subject you to the ordeal over and over until they get T wide-wide going. Their conversion from wide plays is the best in the world. We have the resources to do something similar, which is a real shame. 

According to SA rugby fan(atic)s, SA rugby have all the resources necessary to play any kind of game better than any other team.

They could play  AB rugby better than the best AB team.

Eventually, back to the usual: penalty milking machine.

Oh, yes, all this because of quota players...

Agree, it is working really well for them. It is a nation wide model adopted by all 4 Irish teams. 

The Stormers players list the plot and tried to run around the players yesterday and went completely lateral. 

It's just that our lighter quick step players are not good in contact and gets turned over often. 

There is a reason why a team full of light players don't succeed. Rugby is about contact and we simply have allowed smaller players to come into the game. 

If it is a dry day and a good pitch these guys can run circles around other teams but they pitch, game and conditions wasn't the time to play these types of players. 

Stormers rush defense didn’t work. We never got up quickly enough to seal off the move, so almost every time Munster created momentum and sent the ball down the line the wing was wide open. 

The Stormers also lost the high ball battle and the ball retention battle. Only Roos looked really committed at the breakdown.

Our scrum was a neutral. One or two big scrums and penalties could have won the game.

It’s true the Stormers model is not safety first, but it’s what got them to the final. Under pressure they abandoned that and tried to duplicate the Munster kicking game, and Jantjies was incredibly inept.

Trad, stop telling porkies.

When you can't breakdown the defence, the next step is to kick to get behind it and get some field position. The Stormers backs are not built to combat a good defence. 

Trad, stop telling porkies.

How so. The exaggeration is ironical: it answers the now usual dismissal of the time it took Irish rugby to reach that level in game, the thought, the dedication. It did not come overnight.

Their level of play is the result of multiple visible and much less visible tasks that take years to drill players into.

Past the exaggeration, all points are valid.

Current generation of SA rugby players: unable to play rugby.

Next generation (u20): obssessed with playing to impress scouts to leave the SA nightmare theirs ancestors have made.

Time to focus on 5, 6 year old kids, it will take two decades to drill them into playing rugby.

"According to SA rugby fan(atic)s, SA rugby have all the resources necessary to play any kind of game better than any other team.

They could play  AB rugby better than the best AB team"

Please supply backups for this outrageous claim.

I think he is quoting Saffex. Some others are not far behind, but Saffex is the extremist in that regard. 

Beyond the admitted exaggeration, (the best AB team ever), the claim that SA rugby could in a similar way as the ABs and defeat them was routinely made.

Among the bulk of over 2500 posts by now, a fairly large amount was dedicated to counter those claims.

"SA rugby have all the resources necessary to play any kind of game better than any other team."

This BS is all in your head...Saffa fans know we play a completely different brand of rugby than the Allblacks.

The All Blacks have been the standard for the last 2 decades, it is only in the last 4 years that they started to dip in quality, but it is down to coaching and all the European teams becoming more professional.

Ireland has been a project for the past 20 years and have gradually expanded the game amongst all people in Ireland. 

The have a very clear and simple message. The guys on the pitch looks like they are enjoying the game. 

If you look at the size, conditioning of these players then you sit up and take note. There no longer just one O Driscoll but quite a lot of equally good backs these days. They've imported well and almost use a money ball approach. You look at player like Bundi Aki, not flashy and probably would never get a sniff at an All Black jumper but he is almost the bland player that allows those around him to get space. 

James Low, good super rugby player, again, never would have gotten a sniff, but he fits. They are very good at managing their players. 

New Zealand was at the forefront of this with their central contracts. The formula is simple. 

You got to bring players, together through age group and build a winning culture. 

It starts with age group rugby and almost all world cup winners had success at under 21s first. 

Eddie Jones stuffed up that conveyer belt. England had some fantastic youth players and won a few years in a row. 

All for Irish teams hold onto their players and look after them. 

The Stormers are doing it, the sharks aren't. Bulls are trying but brought in too many over the hill players, but they can fix that next season as it would be their 3rd year together. They have the right players, just need to hold onto them 

Do we have forward power? We have a suspect scrum, we are weak on the gainline in attack and defence, lethargic around the field. We live off of very generous penalties. Minus that, and many of those forward passes which have led to tries, we lose the Lions series, get whitewashed on the 2021 EOYT, lose several more tests in 2022. It doesn't have to be this way, but the current Bok side is pap.