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The Jantjies enigma

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jun 2018, 09:33
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25 Jun 2018, 09:33#1

Plum


I see elsewhere that you suggest that Jantjies be given one more chance to play for the SA team - but I do not think that is really justified.   Kindly refer to the following extract from News24:-


"2. Jantjies’ Test woes continue

It’s fair to say that Saturday's Test was a horror-show for Springbok flyhalf Elton Jantjies.

The pivot’s early penalty miss set the tone for his match at a wet Newlands - a ground where he often struggles.

Jantjies’ blunders included overcooked kicks, two fumbles and a charge-down.

It’s one thing to play well behind a dominant Lions pack at high altitude, but another to do so in the pressure cooker of Test rugby.

Jantjies has now played 26 Tests and one wonders how many more opportunities lie in wait?"


In those 26 tests Jantjies was involved in the then Springboks and now the SA team lost 12 tests and won only 12 while drawing in 2.   That is not the kind of figures one would expect from any SA team.  The problem is that flyhalfs play a critical role in backline lay and many of the failures could be attributed to poor function of the backline.


So lets evaluate that winning issue further.   In at least five of the wins Jantjies was on the bench and got very little playing time after the tests were already won.   That leaves only 9 wins in which he had longer playing time.


I do not think after that history Jantjies have much chance of being retained to play in another test.   His problem is that he cannot take pressure and under pressure he normally fouls up.  He is a very good flyhalf under certain super rugby conditions - but to my mind cannot take the necessary step up to test level.   On the latter level there always will be pressure.   


Another Jantjies selection at flyhalf will case a major public storm  and that would be a problem for Erasmus.   I do not think Du Preez will make the grade as  back-up flyhalf either - but Erasmus may decide to invest in Willemse as an option ahead of Jantjies and Du Preez.    He came very close to publicly criticizing Jantjies in respect of his game on Saturday and that to my mind is a warning as to future appearances of Jantjies in tests .   .     


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
25 Jun 2018, 09:37
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25 Jun 2018, 09:37#2

No ... Jantjies has had more than enough chances. He's blown them all.

He doesn't have the nerve to play in a test arena.

Time to forget about him.


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,255 posts
25 Jun 2018, 09:38
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25 Jun 2018, 09:38#3
Erasmus mentioned in the post-match analysis that he was going to call up Willemse- which in effect must be to replace to Jantjies.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jun 2018, 10:09
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25 Jun 2018, 10:09#4

SB

Maybe I am deficient - I did not see that comment of Erasmus.   I in fact hope for Easmus to do that especially in view of he 2019 WC and subsequently.   Beeno obviously think otherwise - but his opinions are normally seriously flawed.

Erasmus will not do the Meyer on select ions - his teams will be based on performance and not reputation.  So the players in the WC will have to have test experience and be successful on that level.     

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Jun 2018, 12:35
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25 Jun 2018, 12:35#5

Ou maaaaikie how many times have i been good enough to school you on matters pertaining to rugby, politics and life!

Ou maaaaikie Sharkbokkie makes a great point - the quota system will ensure Jantjes is replaced by Willemse. Du Preez hasn't a hope apart from injuries happening. Proper player development would perhaps hold Willemse back but he will be thrust into the top tier of world rugby at a tender age- good luck to him as he is a big talent and hopefully will not be another Gaffie du Toit disaster

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,255 posts
25 Jun 2018, 13:10
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25 Jun 2018, 13:10#6
Willemse and Jantjies may be similar players. They both thrive in space. Jantjies, unfortunately, is not test standard because he does not have time and space at this level.
Willemse is, however, more physical, and I doubt he would have made so many basic errors like fumbling basic high ball catches.
https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/rassie-hints-at-willemse-call-up-20180624#cxrecs_s


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jun 2018, 13:10
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25 Jun 2018, 13:10#7
Beeno
Wake up to some rude facts.   You do not want Willemse selected early - he must play another series of Super Rugby games according to you.   That effectively means that he would not be in the 2019 WC.
Erasmus will not repeat the Meyer idiocy of selecting players - so the only way he will look at Willemse will be if he can phase in him slowly into the Springbok set-up.   He will use him on the bench.
Du Preez has two negatives - the Stormers let him go early because they had Willemse and Du Plessis on their books - so they obviously did not rate Du Preez very highly and Du Preez has  had  some good games and some bad ones.   He does not seem to take kindly to pressure.  I think unlike Jantjies he will be around on the fringes - but whether he will be getting enough game time will be questionable.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jun 2018, 13:10
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25 Jun 2018, 13:10#8
Beeno
Wake up to some rude facts.   You do not want Willemse selected early - he must play another series of Super Rugby games according to you.   That effectively means that he would not be in the 2019 WC.
Erasmus will not repeat the Meyer idiocy of selecting players - so the only way he will look at Willemse will be if he can phase in him slowly into the Springbok set-up.   He will use him on the bench.
Du Preez has two negatives - the Stormers let him go early because they had Willemse and Du Plessis on their books - so they obviously did not rate Du Preez very highly and Du Preez has  had  some good games and some bad ones.   He does not seem to take kindly to pressure.  I think unlike Jantjies he will be around on the fringes - but whether he will be getting enough game time will be questionable.  
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MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
25 Jun 2018, 13:11
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25 Jun 2018, 13:11#9

Hi guys,  been away for a while.  Site is looking better.

Janties has either never had or has lost his BMT.  He is as scared as a jackass cornered by a pack of wolves.  He looks up at the oncoming traffic when trying to catch a ball.  It is amateurish to not scan the opposition prior to receiving a ball. He is one of the primary reasons for the loss on Saturday. Our wings are not all there yet in so far as covering a channel and then the first-time tackling is pathetic at times.

We really miss Marx and I think we can do with a quick loosie because we seem to get to the breakdown too slowly.  On more than one occasion we had a player tackled and there was no support from the loosies which left the player isolated and a turn-over by penalty.  We gave away silly / stupid penalties in the game.  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jun 2018, 13:37
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25 Jun 2018, 13:37#10

Mach

I can remember an incident in 2012 - which happened in a game between WP and the Lions - when one of the WP players launched a high kick coming down  near the posts in the Lions 22.   Jantjies was under the ball waiting to catch it - but when he saw the WP players getting near to him he opted out of catching the ball and WP scored a try.   

Mitchell must have been furious about that and replaced him immediately - which was part of the reason for Jantjies and Strauss accusations against  Mitchell of bad treatment of players.

To my mind he lacks BMT and is sca red as hell when playing in tests.  


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