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The Japs play a beautiful game

Started by Saffolk 24 REPLIES700 VIEWS· 13 Oct 2019, 15:35
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Oct 2019, 15:35
#1
13 Oct 2019, 15:35#1
Their little 9 is great - his speed to the breakdown and speed of service sets the tone. Great to see the speed the players run onto the ball, the great hands and the interplay between backs and forwards We need to respect them and bully them up front, keep it tight and target their poor line out
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Oct 2019, 16:24
#2
13 Oct 2019, 16:24#2
Agreed. We need to play tight, structured test match rugby. The looser it becomes the more dangerous they'll be, especially those wingers of theirs!
Must point out Kazuki Himeno as one of the stars of this RWC and he's the Japanese forward we need to close down quickly.
This has echoes of 2007 with all the top-rated sides in one half of the draw and us alone in the other half. If we can't get to the final against the likes of Japan, Wales and France then we deserve to come home. Whoever we meet in the final will have had much tougher games and this is really a golden opportunity for the Springboks. Hope we can take it.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2019, 16:31
#3
13 Oct 2019, 16:31#3

I-am sure that against the Japanese two of our loosies -  Du Toit and Kolisi has tht epace and endurance to keep up with the game.   Louw and Vermeulen will be liabilities against the fast paced Japanese,

The other player that should against the Japanese in particular must never be in the 23 is Steyn - the Japanese will run circles around him.   Willemse on the other hand is a must against the Japanese,   

If we want Tight 5 dominance - we will need Etzebeth, De Jager and Snyman as locks.   Please not physical deficient Mostert,       

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
13 Oct 2019, 16:31
#4
13 Oct 2019, 16:31#4
The warm-up match just before the world cup is the blueprint to beating Japan. It was a very comfortable win by the Boks.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Oct 2019, 16:32
#5
13 Oct 2019, 16:32#5
Agreed we have the easier route for sure and yes the Jap 8 is a beast, no doubt NH clubs will be lining up to sign him
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Oct 2019, 16:35
#6
13 Oct 2019, 16:35#6
Ou Maaik. stop trying to turn every single thread into yet another tedious diatribe about how much you hate Frans Steyn and all your other pet hates.
I think we've all got the picture by now, no need to repeat the same thing day in and day out.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2019, 16:46
#7
13 Oct 2019, 16:46#7

I was just fishing to see what the village idiots come up with?  LMAO 

I do not hate anybody -  

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
13 Oct 2019, 17:05
#8
13 Oct 2019, 17:05#8
Vermuelen has probably been the best forward for the Boks at this world cup. Those in the know expected this. Louw has been solid, and contributes well at the breakdown. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2019, 19:35
#9
13 Oct 2019, 19:35#9
The beautiful game was enabled by very poor Scottish defensive structure.....the Scottish wings never tracked their opponent onto the open side. And that guy Graham was useless......as was Horne who gave the game away by kicking away an overlap and dropping the ball. Where was Huw Jones when they needed him.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Oct 2019, 19:41
#10
13 Oct 2019, 19:41#10
It was not so much the poor Scottish defensive structure but more the speed with which the Japs played that first half. Thanks largely to their speedy 9, that all changed when he was subbed in the 50th Their speed onto the ball left the Scots scrambling. Their execution was perfect, the interplay between backs and forwards created good go forward often leaving the Scots short out wide. Subbing the 9 was a huge mistake
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2019, 22:58
#11
13 Oct 2019, 22:58#11
Nah the scots committed too many to the breakdown and never shifted effectively. This was the same team we thrashed before the WC. Emotional twaddle.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Oct 2019, 23:34
#12
13 Oct 2019, 23:34#12
Crap Moz give the Japs credit - Scotland were hardly a one off, they beat Ireland as well. The Scots could not cope with the Japs pace of execution in the first half
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
13 Oct 2019, 23:43
#13
13 Oct 2019, 23:43#13

Jpn played very well - super fast hadns and accurate passing... they did the little things really well - ie attention to detail.

What they lack in size made up for in tenacity...

Their coach has done an excellent job with them... Jamie Joseph is world class.

The defensive pattern was relentless... Onsaying this though wouldnt be surprised that they peaked in that game.. I really cant see them getting past SA...

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
13 Oct 2019, 23:46
#14
13 Oct 2019, 23:46#14

I did predict before the world cup that some of the Northern Hemisphere teams would not be used to the fast pitches and warm weather. 

They play a slower game in the mud bath Isles- at least until they change rugby to a summer sport and even have synthetic pitches.


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SebPro2,680 posts
14 Oct 2019, 06:07
#15
14 Oct 2019, 06:07#15
"It was not so much the poor Scottish defensive structure but more the speed with which the Japs played that first half. Thanks largely to their speedy 9, that all changed when he was subbed in the 50t"

I agree...and I might add that the Scots were not weak at all...the Blossoms were just too fast...they play at tempo...any side that thinks they can steam roll them will come short...their tempo takes sides by surprise...Boks I hope you realise this...the warm up game from a Japanese point of view was not a test for them but more a "psyche you out"or a "feel" game.
Springboks beware.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Oct 2019, 06:21
#16
14 Oct 2019, 06:21#16
The Scottish pack never had the firepower to exploit Japanese frailty. Their pack apart from 2 good loosies, Leitch and Himeno, is not competitive. We should get 2 or more scrumming penalties and take several balls against the throw in the lineouts. And our defense will not be overlapped as easily. This shouldn't even be close.
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
14 Oct 2019, 08:36
#17
14 Oct 2019, 08:36#17

With you on that Mozart and I have no bias either way - Saffas should win fairly comfortably... 

I dont think Japan forward pack can endure a Saffa onslaught... and those speedy wingers had the game of their lives... definitely wont be repeated... full stop.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 Oct 2019, 08:46
#18
14 Oct 2019, 08:46#18

I like how this abstract, particularly the final line, perfectly describes the rugby strengths and issues that Japan have.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1939289


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SebPro2,680 posts
14 Oct 2019, 09:02
#19
14 Oct 2019, 09:02#19

Well I suppose most rugby fans would go along with his observations of the conventional.

However I have a gut feel that these 1/4's won't go the way the majority expects...they often do.

Mike will remember in 2007 in France...SA and Eng in Final...nobody saw that one coming and when SA "just" had to beat a side that they had beaten by 30 points just a few weeks before...it was a forgone conclusion...or was it? Certainly not...it was too close for that.

But the biggest factor that has been overlooked (certainly from what appears on this forum) is the huge mental and psychological aspect. Japan playing in Japan on rugby's biggest stage. Japan is a very different beast...we have already seen it and no it was not flukes or luck etc, etc.

Plum that article is interesting...japanese folk have very sharp, astute and strong mental ability...very advanced.

Saffas on the otherhand might be physical big and tough and outwardly intimidating but are often lacking in mental strengths...not only rugby but just look at cricket as well. Great talent sometimes but often folds when needed most.

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RazorClub Pro150 posts
14 Oct 2019, 10:51
#20
14 Oct 2019, 10:51#20

The Boks will totally mansham them in every department.


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RazorClub Pro150 posts
14 Oct 2019, 10:52
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14 Oct 2019, 10:52#21


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Oct 2019, 11:26
#22
14 Oct 2019, 11:26#22

When you say British what do you mean more than half of LONDONISTAN is foreign. So which "British children were tested? 

The" Japs"  having beaten Ireland are a respected opponent but we should put them away. 

WalesFrance also are no pushovers. The idea Boks have easy route to final is over the top. 


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redsmanPro1,710 posts
14 Oct 2019, 12:10
#23
14 Oct 2019, 12:10#23

beeno Saffas got the easiest route the finals of any contender... ireland / england / kiwis / saffas are the top teams... wales making up the numbers...

I think fact that Saffas play Japan instead of ireland mkes for the easiest run of any of the above contenders...

Winner of wales / france will be worthy adversary but not like kiwis or poms or irish... or dare i say the aussies...

Re Mental fragility Sebastian - I do agree the saffas have suffered this over the years but seem to have enough winners in this team... ie etzebeth / pollard / snyman / big red headed prop guy... 

having spent years in japan and doing busines with them - they are tireless workers and great technicians and probably practice passing 10x more than any other team but they dont have the creativity - granted kiwi coach done excellent job with them i think saffas have too muc class all over the park..... and that said they lack size to match it with saffas at set piece.. ....

They have heart but wont play another game like tht pool match i 100% guarantee it......or 99.99999% guarantee it...

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Oct 2019, 20:28
#24
14 Oct 2019, 20:28#24
We should bully the Jap forwards and dictate the pace of the game. We should pound their scrum and expose their weak line outs. The hooker impressed me as does 9 through to 14
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
14 Oct 2019, 23:09
#25
14 Oct 2019, 23:09#25

the hooker was all heart... he played for rebels... had a george smith style about him... could have been the dreadlocks...

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