Not what you would expect from a bok 13. Unfortunately, it happens all to often! Relatively thin guy in respects to a rugby player and still he chooses to stand up in the tackle. Madness!!
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Oh what complete bullshit, try put that tackle in context, it helps when you know what the bloody hell you are talking about, that is the best position JJ could get into from behind as he was not committed to that tackle given Morne, the inside defender was meant to tackle him. That is JJ turning around and trying to tackle him from behind, he had no time to go low.......its called context, why not paint the proper picture by showing us a few frames before that one.
Skinny centre my arse, does this look skinny to you?
The thin bloke
Which is your favourite Dave....is this a Grey College thing?
This is how it's done
Mozart
The photo of the tackle by De Jongh - good tackle - but it was only the sub-par Jantjies involved. Why - o why - did he not tackle like that in Super 15? He was a defensive sieve in that competition - missing 25% of his tackles. He succeeded in tackling Jantjies back in this photo - normally he is not ever capable of doing that to any reasonable opponent.
Saffex.. JJ is by no means "skinny" and I was not referring to him. JJ is a damn good size for a centre.
Beauden Barrett is a bit on the slight side in terms of an international rugby player. What I meant was that it was not like JJ went high on retallick or someone bigger. A thinner guy like Barrett should have been an easy tackle especially because he runs so straight up.
JJ could have hit him anywhere from stomach down there and he would have come down.
Sas trying to sound clever again but really making a fool of himself. In a perfect world, 12 would tackle 12, 13 would tackle 13 and 2 would tackle 2 but its not a perfect world. The best teams are great scramblers on defence. I dont care if Barrett had run through the other 14 guys on the team. If our centre can get into this position to make a tackle, I expect it to be made. Barrett closed his eyes bracing for contact. Even he thought he had run into a tackle and the way he holds the ball with 2 hands shows that he is trying to secure it in the tackle (not offload) and set up the next phase. Much to his surprise, he went striaght through.
If Conrad Smith had gotten in this position to tackle anyone, would he have made the tackle? I do understand 2 players had missed him already but fact remains, JJ was in a perfect position to effect the tackle. I mean, look at it. How much closer does he wana be to make the tackle?
Just admit it. It was a poor attempt and a serious flaw in JJ's game. I still think he should be the Bok 13 but not if he keeps that shit up. Teams will attack his channel every game. That is Morne Steyn like!
You can say what you want. Defence is about attitude and scrambling when needed. THis was a major fuck up on JJ's part. Poor technique and its not a 1 off!
Type into google: "JJ Engelbrecht tackle" and have a look. They all look identical. He goes in the same height on Nonu, Read and Piutau (in Eden park I think) so I think this is just the way he tackles.
He needs to get in a better position to tackle otherwise we are never going to beat those slick NZ backs. He is a good player and I like him as much as you Saffex but I also like South Africa to win and we are not going to do it missing tackles because of poor form!
Saffex, that is untrue. I have another picture where I rewinded it a frame or two back to show that JJ realised very early on that Barrett was going to be his man and was almost front on.
That bullshit of him having to go from behind is exactly that. Bullshit. He had him in front of him at first and this picture clearly shows a simple side on tackle that is in fact, easier to effect.
He had ample time to dive around his legs. You question my ability to play the game but then you say "he has to go high and from behind, leading with the wrong shoulder" but when do you ever go high from behind? Head on maybe you can to decrease the opportunity for an off load but how can you go high from behind. You would expect an international rugby player to know that a player with no legs can not run so take his legs away.
There is no leading of the wrong shoulder. Read had beaten Alberts in the run up to Ben Smiths try. Alberts was too slow in getting across and he had to lead with his right shoulder which was not ideal because his head would have been on the wrong side of the tackle as he was defending to his left. He got beaten by a faster man. Simple. This picture clearly shows Barrett trying to take the inside break with a step off his right foot, he runs straight onto JJ's right shoulder and the tackle is missed. Perfect poster to teach the kids how not to tackle. You should use that with your team!
No amount of backwards and forwards debate will change the fact that yes, Jean and Morne missed the tackle but none ever got in the position JJ was in and Barrett put himself on a platter for JJ to bring him down.
Come on Saffex, just study that pic. JJ has more than enough of Barrett. Instead of hug his ghest and arms, why not go lower and hug his legs? He does this far too often. Standing straight up in the tackle. It is a massive flaw. Not saying it will never work but it clearly has cost us tries as well. It is a much lower percentage technique than going lower in contact.
I cant believe after showing this evidence that you can still say that JJ was not in a good position to make the tackle on Barrett. This is a perfect position to stop the man in his tracks. The debate on whose tackle it should have been is not relevant. The debate is that it became JJ's, he was in perfect position and he fluffed it!
I googled "JJ Engelbrecht tackles" and all of them look identical. He does not go low in the tackle and he needs to sort that out and quick. We cant have a 13 that tries to go high. Attacks out wide happen a lot faster for obvious reasons and you need a 13 who can scramble and bring a man down with safe, around the leg tackles ala Conrad Smith. I am afraid JJ is nowhere near this and he is a defensive liability.
He is big and strong so I dont understand why he doesnt use this to his advantage and tackle low, wrapping guys legs up. Its a serious problem and for that reason, I would put De Jongh above him in defensive capabilities.
Saffex, please understand bro, I am not attacking you. I like your posts and I can conclude that in most cases, you have a unique spin on things and I would like to see how that pours through in your coaching because I believe you will have an exciting team if nothing else which is probably what English rugby needs.
I just can agree with you that JJ has no issues when it comes to tackling. I wont talk about his creating because that is a whole nother story. I have not seen much in terms of him creating anything and only open field running after someone else has put him away.
As Bok fans, we should be agreeing that he has a future with the Boks but he needs to sort his defence out. It is and it will cost us games now and moving forward. He almost lacks cnfidence or doesn't back himself to make these tackles. He is not a "warrior" that we need in the 13 jersey. He is bigger than SMith yet Smith tackles everything that moves whether he gets concussed, broken bones or whatever. Thats what we need. JJ is soft in the tackle and his technique is one of the poorest I have seen. I cant believe SA is not working around the clock to change this.
He did miss Barrett. Barrett became his man, he was in great position to effect the tackle and poor technique saw Barrett break clean through and cement our fate.
Getting bounced by a big man but having heart is one thing. Letting Barrett clean through gutlessly is another!
