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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jun 2014, 13:15
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06 Jun 2014, 13:15#1

The following is the position in the three Pools:-


Pool A 


England will definitely go through to the semis.   They are likely to beat Argentina with a cricket score result and will end up with 15 points.


If the Aussies beat Italy with great ease and get a really big bonus point win against Italy they may just upset the apple cart and get the fourth position in the semi-finals.


England has exceptionally strong forward pack and the Aussies was just not god enough to match them in that Department of the game.  A really good team that will compete strongly for winning the Cup.


Pool B


This is the pool of death for three competing teams  - namely France, Ireland and Wales.   France won both games played thus far and has 9 points.   Each of Wales and Ireland has won one game,   Wales is playing France in the final round and Ireland is playing Fiji.   


If France beat Wales the competition is over,  But Ireland can still get a semi position with a big enough win against Fiji.   So that is another team that an force New Zealand into fifth position on the overall log.   


Pool 3


South Africa has 10 points on the log already and is 9 points difference below England on the overall log.   They have to play Samoa and even if they lose, they only need 1 bonus point to go through to the semis.  


Share with England the dominant role in the competition thus gar and is likely to be either no 1 or number 2 on the overall log - depending on the result in the Samoan game.  


Taking out South Africa from a place in the semis may be wishful thinking.  SA beat Scotland by 56 points - New Zealand beat Samoa by 36 points and Samoa beat Scotland by 9 points.   I hope the guys are not overly confident and make a mess of the Samoan game. 


boklogic 


As the situation is it is highly unlikely that SA will meet England in the semis- so you can be fairly sure that your seat for the Final will be a good investment.          




    

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 13:34
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06 Jun 2014, 13:34#2
 Sound thinking Mike. Looks like we will make the finals. If we are matched up front it will be a much harder than against nz. Our backs are okay but with injuries not extraordinary
Snapster do we have good replacements for the injured?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jun 2014, 13:56
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06 Jun 2014, 13:56#3
 Beeno
Andre Esterhuizebn will most likely be fit to play in the later games and I think they may call up JP de Plessis from WP as a replacement - very good.   
I could not find any other hookers in the original squad before it was thinned down - Dweba is already there - he was on the bench today.   So they will have to find two hookers asap.   WP15 will be able to advise on that one - I really do not know about the other young hookers.   One of the props may also be hooking - but I really do not know what they will do next.   
As far as the loosies are concerned they may call up EW Viljoen or Rikus Bothma or both - I think both are loosies, but may be wrong.   B oth were in the original squad before it was trimmed down.  Was in fact surprised they were not in the trimmed down squad - but that was likely  due to quotas.  Both are really good prospects.     
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 14:37
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06 Jun 2014, 14:37#4
 Thanks Mike so all is not lost. There was JP Duplessis who left Wp so thsi is another.Very glad to hear Esterhuizen will be fit. Brute of a center.
I think England will give us a hard go in the forwards. So we need all the firepower in the backs we have.
I was impressed at the energy levels of the Boks in the second half and the big hits they put in.
When one reads about how overseas sides have so many saffas in their side making a real contribution one realises again the amazing rugby depth we have. Unfortunately it is not all available here for Super 15. We would completely dominate the competition if our guys were at home. Every team would have superb depth and talent .





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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jun 2014, 15:09
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06 Jun 2014, 15:09#5
 Beeno
Not that one - the one I was thinking of is the son of Michael du Plessis and is still in the WP acadamy - he apparently matriculated last year.
As you know I am not always all that impressed wit the players who fo and play for foreign clubs.  Most are usually near retirement age with thir prime rugby years behind them.   They go and play softer rugby than Super 15 and then get selected by Meyer to represent SA.   
There is no way that their performances can be properly evaluated - since most of the Top 14 clubs in France are relatively about of Vodacom Cup status and some players may make waves against such opposition.   The same applies to the Aviva series in England.   Some of Meyer's favourites do not regularly make the starting line up for their Clubs.   Be it as it may - there is really no reliable norm for performance evaluation of the foreign Club players - which gives me the idea that the players take well-paid contracts in Europe or Japan with a virtual assurance that they will be selected for the Springbok team - irreective of whather they maintain their physical condition or perform well enough.     
I think that they will suffer tomorrow and then Meyer will simply ignore it and go on with them.  Really a pity.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2014, 15:12
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06 Jun 2014, 15:12#6
But with Solomons helping him, maybe HM will adjust.... dontcha think scummie?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 15:24
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06 Jun 2014, 15:24#7
 I also do not think their comps are up to Super 15 level from what I have seen which is admittedly limited. 
The only hope is that Meyer is sifting his available talent. We shall see.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2014, 15:37
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06 Jun 2014, 15:37#8
Oh the pain......this has to be the stupidest Board of all those I have posted on.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jun 2014, 15:40
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06 Jun 2014, 15:40#9
 Solmons used to be Mallett's assistant coach and he also flopped together with Mallett.  He eventually went to coach the Edinburgh team and started  signing up a drove of SA layers.  That did not really help them in the Heineken Cup.
Like Mallett he is not really a house on Fire when it comes to player identification.    So he can be bluffed into anything - if the player he signed up for Edinburgh is any indication in the relevant regard.
Neyer definitely and urgently needs a foreign backline assistant coach more than anything else - since his knowledge of backline play is about as shallow as that of Matfield - the backline attack coach of the Bulls.   
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Sunnyjones123Rookie20 posts
06 Jun 2014, 15:59
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06 Jun 2014, 15:59#10
Clevermike

Aviva premiership in England consists of 12 teams with relegation (Plus HC cup, Anglo Welsh, Amlin). SA have 5 teams in the super rugby no relegation its much more physical in England, long hard season likewise in France and more pressure orientated closer to test level ie Not making mistakes, being punished etc




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jun 2014, 16:12
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06 Jun 2014, 16:12#11
 Sunnyjones
Welcome to the site.  I regularly watch both Aviva  as well as Top 15 games on TV and there is no way - I believe -  that they are on par with Super 15 level.  Some stronger clubs are really better than the majority - but the influx and use of foreign players weaken the pool for national selection.   
The southern hemisphere teams are not for nothing rated as he top three teams in world rugby - so I am sure the large number of foreign players - mostly past their prime - are really making the clubs on par with the main SH competition.
Howeve r, you are welcome to have a different opinion in that regard. 
       
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Jun 2014, 16:29
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06 Jun 2014, 16:29#12
 Anyone who thinks that the Top14, Premiership and even the PRO12 is at Vodacom Cup level is a raving lunatic. As I have said some time ago, the level of the European club rugby was only tested directly against a S15 team once, and we know what the outcome  of that one was.

Ou Maaikie is also pissing in the dark about Solomons again. I agree that Solomons is a crap coach in any case. Always has been. He got Mallett to get rid of Jake White because Jake was a thread to Solomons. Mallett immediately followed Solomons advise and the first test after the Solomons/White debacle, was the one at Twickenham that ended Mallett's winning streak, and from there on it was all downhill for Mallett. What did you expect Solomons to do? Win the HC with a team that has never won it. In any case, you just cannot help but display your stupidity/ignorance. Edinburgh did not win a single HC game in the 2012/3 season. After Solomons joined them, they won three out of their 6 HC games. Solomons also did not sign up a drove of SA players for Edinburgh. He only signed three, i.e. Cornel Du Preez, Carl Bezuidenhout and Andries Strauss. WP Nel was there before he arrived.

In any case, you are nicely trying to disguise the fuck-up that you made when you thought that Solomons was in HMs coaching squad.

In Matfield's first year as attacking coach the Bulls made it into the S15 semi finals.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Jun 2014, 16:59
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06 Jun 2014, 16:59#13
 
Well done Mike. You were right about the Baby Boks demolishing the Baby Blacks.

They were completely dominant. Like men against boys

In fact I'm pretty confident this young side can clean Meyer's Goats up.

Pollard is something really special.

The sooner they drag his ass into the Bok side the better.

Gooooooooooooo Mallett!!!!!!!!

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Sunnyjones123Rookie20 posts
06 Jun 2014, 17:17
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06 Jun 2014, 17:17#14
 Clevermike

Thanks for the welcome but I didn't say Aviva premiership is better than super rugby I said its more physical, more intense. In terms of skill level Super rugby is way ahead but weather conditions, pitches etc play a part you see differences in the winter/spring

James O'Connor said recently its much tougher playing in Aviva because of things such as weather conditions, state of pitches, every team has a different philosophy, less errors are committed etc

I disagree with your view on an influx of foreigners, yes in France but not in England. RFU have imposed this policy of not picking players who play abroad. Current average age of the England is 24 lots of youngsters being picked by Lancaster lots of the Junior IRB world cup winners are playing first team Aviva premiership rugby and are in the England national setup. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jun 2014, 17:54
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06 Jun 2014, 17:54#15
 Sunnyjones
During the commentary on Junior WC matches they mentioned which clubs te youngsters are associated with.   Similarly they mention which SA Franchises the SA team player are with.  Only a very few of our youngsters have been able to get into the Super 15 teams - matter of fact there are about two of them - Pollard, Marx  and Petersen - some are in the Super 15 squads - but they have not played in the teams yet.  The rest plays in the provincial Under 19 teams.  
We will likely see in the JWC final which of the two teams are in fact the better combination.             


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oimateyPro1,870 posts
06 Jun 2014, 17:56
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06 Jun 2014, 17:56#16
Sunnyjones - welcome, I hope you stick around. Becs needs some company sticking up for the NH and England !
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Jun 2014, 21:57
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06 Jun 2014, 21:57#17
 Meyer was Solomons' forwards coach back in 99 about. Solomons was a fine coach but got hampered by being bok assistant and Stormers coach at the same time.And Cera, JW and Keo were in cahoots at the time Mallet got rid of JW. They were serving their own agenda's at the time. Mallet saw through Jakes big blabbermouth and got rid of him. Jake was an analyst at the time and Solly the deputy coach, if there was conflict in the camp, it was logical that the lower ranked should be the one to leave. Jake turmed out to be a good coach afterwards,  but IMO  he is still a self serving prick.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 22:14
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06 Jun 2014, 22:14#18
 Strong stuff that Draad - why is Jake more self serving than others? 
Welcome to Sunny Jones.  Our style and that of England are very similar.  

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Jun 2014, 01:40
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07 Jun 2014, 01:40#19
 Sorry Draad, you have it wrong. Solomons did not get on with Jake and Mallett sat with a dilema. He had to choose between the two of them and in the process he broke an undertaking with Jake White, which was that Jake would be part of his management team for the '99 RWC. Mallett got rid of  White purely because Solomons did not get along with him. The final straw came after a fallout about the inclusion of Andre Venter for the Twickeham test. Jake got told to piss off and we lost the test. From there on it went downhill for Mallett and, including that one, he lost 11 of his final 22 tests. Nothing to do with Keohane.
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sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
07 Jun 2014, 01:52
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07 Jun 2014, 01:52#20
Can someone post a recording when it is up live on YouTube or where ever ? 
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