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The Malcolm Marx mystery

Started by Mozart31 REPLIES880 VIEWS· 24 Sept 2019, 18:03
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2019, 18:03
#1
24 Sept 2019, 18:03#1
How does a guy who hasn't been seriously injured go from being the world's best hooker to an oddly passive performer? Last year you couldn't move Marx off the ball on the ground, this year he seems to easily toppled. What gives? He just doesn't seem like the same physical monster and maybe he isn't. I noticed on my WC feed before the game that Marx is listed at107kgs. Now that's not small for a hooker, but last year and on some sites Marx is shown as 115kgs. I'm not saying the new measurement is right, but all the other weights were pretty much what one expected. And just looking at Marx, he looks sleeker to me. So one has to ask.....has Marx lost 20lbs of muscle? That would go a long way the explaining his reduced physicality.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Sept 2019, 18:11
#2
24 Sept 2019, 18:11#2
Good points.
Let's hope Marx get's back to his fiery best . . . and wasn't just a 2 season wonder.
Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
24 Sept 2019, 18:17
#3
24 Sept 2019, 18:17#3
Yip. I’m also a bit confused and concerned. He is a natural beast and wrecking ball. Something isn’t 100%. Bongi is knocking hard at the door.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2019, 18:42
#4
24 Sept 2019, 18:42#4
I think the guy is burnt out - has been poorly managed mostly by the Lions. Because he is so vital coaches are reluctant to remove him from the field. Moz those weights are a load of crap - they have Etzebeth at 117kg, his weight as a Baby Bok!!! There are many other errors - de Allende at 101kg he is 110kg, Vermeulen 108kg, he is over 115kg, Kolisi 99kg he is 106kg, Kolbe as 74kg etc
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
24 Sept 2019, 18:42
#5
24 Sept 2019, 18:42#5

Unfortuately, he is a shadow of his former self at this world cup. Vermuelen is doing all the fetching. Maybe best to play him off bench, and start Bongi

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2019, 18:46
#6
24 Sept 2019, 18:46#6

It happens sometimes that a  player at young age shows tremendous form and ability and later and way to soon becomes an under-performer - a classical example of that deficiency is Frans Steyn.  One wonders why that is so, 

It could be -

*   psychological through development of a believe - something like "I am so good I cannot speak too highly of myself"; or

*   he has not had a proper holiday for years because in the off-season (December - January) he goes to Japan  to play there and he suffers from burn-out. 

There are other SA player with the same problem - but not in the category of Marx.  

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Sept 2019, 19:01
#7
24 Sept 2019, 19:01#7

To me he simply looks tired, yes.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 Sept 2019, 19:01
#8
24 Sept 2019, 19:01#8

Perhaps playing within himself until the tournament progresses.

If he is tired but has to play, he'll likely be under instruction to save some heroics for later.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2019, 19:03
#9
24 Sept 2019, 19:03#9
Bullshit a player does not just lose his class or ability. Frans Steyn was always good until age caught up with him. Marx is burntout it’s that simple
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2019, 21:43
#10
24 Sept 2019, 21:43#10
The weights are bogus....well if true that's annoying. But take a look at images of Marx from 2017 and ask yourself is that the player we are seeing on our screens?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
24 Sept 2019, 22:01
#11
24 Sept 2019, 22:01#11
If he lost weight he sh ould be more mobile, but maybe just poor conditioning from being overplayed. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2019, 22:10
#12
24 Sept 2019, 22:10#12
To me it looks like he's lost strength. But it's just a theory, I watched him over the ball several times and he was easily discarded....never happened to the real Marx.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
24 Sept 2019, 23:54
#13
24 Sept 2019, 23:54#13

T he ABs insist that ALL of their players have the end of season break ....... many of our leading players have been heading to Japan for years  ( 4/5 years ? ). I see that NH clubs are doing likewise, offering short term contracts .

Mebbe its our weak currency & Rassie has no choice but to reluctantly agree. Hansen will call it madness.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 Sept 2019, 01:41
#14
25 Sept 2019, 01:41#14

Perhaps it's as simple as a lack of confidence for whatever reason.

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
25 Sept 2019, 02:11
#15
25 Sept 2019, 02:11#15

imo hes still the best hooker in world rugby...

perhaps it is burnout... should rest him a bit for the minnow games - he is def one you gonna need v ireland in the Qfs.

RE player weight - i picked up on that earlier in the year when the pregame stats showed kwagga smith at 80kgs...!! Couldnt believe a starting bok flanker to be anything under 90-100kgs...

Is the guy responsible for the weight stats the same guy that did that sign language gig a few years back...? lol...

poor guys i feel for you...                                                                          

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2019, 02:58
#16
25 Sept 2019, 02:58#16

Dave

Steyn was already a wreck in 2012 when he returned from France.   His Club Racing Metro would not have reused to renew his contract at the time must have had good reasons for that.   

He was grossly overweight and his performances in the 5 tests he  played in in 2012 was substandard,   He was a joke in the Super Rugby in 2013 to 2015 and 2015 SARU refused with very good reason to renew his contract and he went to Japan and when White was appointed as coach for Montpellier he got Steyn on a 3 year contract.  Whites contract was not renewed and Steyn - after a season where he played at full back in most matches - his contract was not renewed/

Contract renewal is based o performance and fact is that non-renewal of contracts started in 2012 and after that there were 2 non-renewals by his employers.   They must have seen some deficiencies and the unacceptable performance level was already evident in 2012.           

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Sept 2019, 05:26
#17
25 Sept 2019, 05:26#17
Can we please keep Frans off this string....start your own string, or string multiples on Frans if you like.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2019, 06:34
#18
25 Sept 2019, 06:34#18

Strzok

Running for cover again stooge?   I quoted Steyn as an example of where  a young player went stale after a brilliant start.   That is all - and Dave said he only went stale recently  in response to which I responded by pointing out when it really started.

Get real he was a real example of where a player went in the mould that is now implied as being applicable to Marx.   Steyn never recovered from the malady - it is not clear whether Marx would recover,  

Comprehende??????????????? .  .  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2019, 06:34
#19
25 Sept 2019, 06:34#19

Strzok

Running for cover again stooge?   I quoted Steyn as an example of where  a young player went stale after a brilliant start.   That is all - and Dave said he only went stale recently  in response to which I responded by pointing out when it really started.

Get real he was a real example of where a player went in the mould that is now implied as being applicable to Marx.   Steyn never recovered from the malady - it is not clear whether Marx would recover,  

Comprehende??????????????? .  .  

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
25 Sept 2019, 07:00
#20
25 Sept 2019, 07:00#20

Morphing into a Saffa sycophant Pedsman?

"poor guys I feel for you"!

Can you get any further up where you're heading?

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
25 Sept 2019, 07:51
#21
25 Sept 2019, 07:51#21

I don't think it's just a weight or muscle loss issue if indeed he has lost some. He also seemed lethargic in his movement around the field. I'd say either fatigue or his head isn't right for whatever reason. Throw-ins were good though.

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
25 Sept 2019, 07:54
#22
25 Sept 2019, 07:54#22

Nah just know a lot of decent saffas live nearby and know how screwed up their country really is... One of the few joys (amongst the crazy politics and crime levels) is when the boks have a bit of good run...

Echoed by Plum - if the game is fair most of us can cop a loss... wouldn't be backing the reds or wallabies anymore if I couldn't......

We shouldnt even remember who the ref was in any number of decisive games... but all too often they outshine every single other player on the field ...

BTW Kiwis never got over wayne barnes have they? lol... 





DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Sept 2019, 10:19
#23
25 Sept 2019, 10:19#23

Barnsie and Suzie back in 95...and don't forget the golden Rolex the ref received...

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
25 Sept 2019, 10:23
#24
25 Sept 2019, 10:23#24

I've got my twitch back again now thanks to you Draad.....

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Sept 2019, 10:31
#25
25 Sept 2019, 10:31#25

I've yet to meet a NZer who's seen the 'Invictus' movie ...... em I've ask simply reply  , 'not a fck.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
25 Sept 2019, 10:54
#26
25 Sept 2019, 10:54#26

Well ... Rassie left Akker at home and kept the elderly Brits and the quota midget ...

I love it. Things aren't going to plan are they? Haaaaaaaahahahahahahaaa!!

They were suppose to thump the All Blacks ... but ... that didn't happen.

They were relying on the best 2 in the world to cover up all the mistakes brought on by their quotas and poor selections ... but instead ... he's joined their ranks now and has become as ineffective as the rest of them.

Iron sharpens iron.

They have too many players in the mix that blunt the rest.

I would love to see them knocked out early.



RA
RazorClub Pro150 posts
25 Sept 2019, 11:15
#27
25 Sept 2019, 11:15#27

He is obviously suffering from the negative effect from his great great grandfather

BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
25 Sept 2019, 12:04
#28
25 Sept 2019, 12:04#28

Drop in Marx's performance. Are we seeing the impact of Swys de Bruyn's departure now?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Sept 2019, 16:52
#29
25 Sept 2019, 16:52#29
Maybe it's physical, maybe mental as Pakie suggests or your point about coaching Pakie.......but whatever the cause, our best player last year is now marginal. These slips from form are sometimes subtle ....this is hard to miss. In looking back at articles on Marx, I noticed he said he felt sorry for Coetzee. Maybe he is less comfortable in the new set up, his peak year was probably 2017.....you may be on to something Blikkies.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2019, 17:04
#30
25 Sept 2019, 17:04#30

Strzok 

Hurrah - you found it - blame Erasmus for the drop in form of  Marx.   What a discovery.  

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
25 Sept 2019, 17:05
#31
25 Sept 2019, 17:05#31

I think it is a case of him coming to terms of just what he has lost in money terms by not going overseas and being rewarded accordingly.

Also if you are playing at this level week in and week out and losing it is not the way to motivate any player.

Sad but true.

After all he has his Springbok jacket in the closet but only Rands in the bank.

Make the move young man and remember you and no one else can secure your future.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Sept 2019, 17:43
#32
25 Sept 2019, 17:43#32
Good advice for any young SA rugby player....unfortunately.
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