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The minutes played by Mozart's favourites

Started by clevermike9 REPLIES184 VIEWS· 31 Aug 2014, 13:42
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 13:42
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31 Aug 2014, 13:42#1

The question is - how long does the geriatrics so beloved by Mozart in fact lasts in games?   Lets think back to the scrumming in Super 15 by the Sharks.  The first scrum the opponents go backward fast - the second scrum is stagnant - the third scrum the Sharks are in retreat.   The same applies to other activities onthe field of play.


So the wuaestion in fact is - how long does the geriatric make postive contributions on the field of play before they become invisible.   Looking at the games in Super 15 andthe June tests - the answer is relatively simple:-


Bakkies Botha         -  12 to 15 minutes 

Gurthro Steenkamp  -  15 to 20 minutes

Jnnie du Plessis       -  15 to 20 minutes.  


If they stay any longer -the scrums become lottery tickets and outside of those they contribute zero positive to the team efforts of their teams .   


Matfield to hus credit stay on the field of play much longer - but his contribution outside of line out takes are weak throughout games.  Weak tackles - weak ball carries - tossed out of mauls with ease - pushed out of the way by other players carrying balls.  When he is on the field of play the Springbok Tight 5 is weakened considerably.


Is it worthwhile to select players who fail to contribute to matches for less than 40 minutes or whose contributions become weak and negative in such short parts of games?   




 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 15:41
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31 Aug 2014, 15:41#2
 Mo(zart)ron
Why no response to this one ?
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
04 Sept 2014, 14:40
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04 Sept 2014, 14:40#3
 Jannie Du Plessis to Mike "what are you trying to say Mike?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Sept 2014, 17:21
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04 Sept 2014, 17:21#4
Minutes about to be played by Dumb Mike's favourites....Reinach =0, Jordaan=0, Labuschagne=0, Goosen=0, Malherbe=0, Lomp< 30, Lambie<20, de Allende<2. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Sept 2014, 19:04
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04 Sept 2014, 19:04#5
 Mozart
Anther total misrepresentation - pity you find it so hard to undersand what is meant here.   We are dealing here with players who actually take the field and play for their teams and for how long they are in fact prductive while they play.  
They play for a very short time and then went absent from the games by being totally non-productive.   All the players listed have proven that in numerous games they played for the S pringboks and the Sharks.  
Get it now - Moron?

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
04 Sept 2014, 19:30
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04 Sept 2014, 19:30#6
 Hey snotbrein, what happened to Davis Miller?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Sept 2014, 19:36
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04 Sept 2014, 19:36#7

Oh I get what was being meant here. The same thing that was meant in literally hundre ds of other OOM posts. So I thought I'd just freshen things up a bit. It is interesting how being an OOM favourite is the kiss of death.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Sept 2014, 19:41
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04 Sept 2014, 19:41#8
 They are in response.  This thread looks at what your favoureite players you support all the time actually delivers when selected to play for their teams.   If you could prove otherwise pleas goive examples where the statements made are not full proof.    
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Sept 2014, 19:44
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04 Sept 2014, 19:44#9
OOM all that happens when we prove you wrong is that you disappear. You have long since forfeited the right to ask for proof.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Sept 2014, 22:55
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04 Sept 2014, 22:55#10
 No - you have not proved me wrong on most things - if you do I admit I made a mistake.    The only proof you ever provides are vague distortions - or when it fits your agument you quote newspaper reports and stats - if it does not then theose are wrong as well.   
I hope that you stop making make-believe statements and stick to factual situiations.  That could be the basis for some discussions.   I hve quoted a number of examples.   Lets take the scruming of the Sharks against the Crusaders in the round robin match.   In the first scrum the Crusders got pushed back big time - the second scrum was stagnant - the third scrum (while Deysel was still on the field) went backwards fast.   That is what routinely happens with Jannie du Plessis - go and watch the matches and you will see it.
The players like Jannie and Bakkkies  run out of steam early in games and that is a fact.  Same with Alberts.  So what real contribution do they amke after the first 15 to 20 minutes - near to zero , more of a handicap than an asset to the teams they play for.        
That is what I was hoping members will go and look at and see whether they share my impression.    If you look at games objectively - then you cn make an asessment. However, if ther eis one thing you are not - it is being pbjective.  
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