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The most disap[pointing Springboks thus far this year

Started by clevermike20 REPLIES211 VIEWS· 02 Mar 2014, 15:28
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 15:28
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02 Mar 2014, 15:28#1

The worst display of all is what Jean de Villiers dished up in the first two matches played by the Stormers.    he was a disaster and f that is to continue we have a serious problem in future.  Question remains - is he past it?


The other player who seems to do less and less in any game he played in is Willem Alberts.  He always has been a low work rate p[layer - but it is getting ridiculous to see what extremely little he produces at 7.


Vermeulen has had 2 off days at the office as well, but at least he tries and should get better as the season progresses.


Engelbrecht was by some distance the weakest 13 on display and Serfontein only slightly better- but still miles away from satisfactory.        

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 17:01
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02 Mar 2014, 17:01#2
 JJ was the best 13 of the SA'ns you idiot........while he did nothing of note, his defence was 100%......unlike Jean who also did nothing of note and missed 2 tackles......JW Jonker for the Lions did less than nothing and Sadie for the Cheetahs was as average as the whole Cheetahs side

So stop speaking your usual shit.

de Allende was the best 12 on the day, followed by Serfontein
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 17:58
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02 Mar 2014, 17:58#3

 JJ did nothing at all except botching up a try that should have been scored - but there he and Serfontein should share the blame.  


However, this is not about a single match - it is aboat ALL THE MATCHES played thus far in Super 15.   He was pathetic in some instances and just about par in others.  


He was comprehensively outplayed by Jordaan in the first  match. and I am really worried what will happen this week against the Blues centers.      

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 18:03
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02 Mar 2014, 18:03#4
Ah so because they both went for the ball you want to point fingers at them you fucking ignorant twat huh>

What about the fact that the Bulls have played 2 of their games in the pouring rain you fucking idiot......is it possible to play attacking running rugby in the pouring rain you fucking idiot

Dont bother answering, you are too fucking stupid to comprehend context or the basics
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 18:13
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02 Mar 2014, 18:13#5

 Ignoring the first match - no rain at all. And they could have shouted my ball or at least seen that both were going for the same ball - but it showed something I call lack of ball sense.   Not new on the part of JJ though - ne botched a similar try against the Argentinians in Soweto.


The basics are that players should perform in all conditions - style of play may differ - but that is not the point where players should fail like JJ did in all three matches.  


You have built a pedestal and put JJ on it - but thus far he has done squat to justify the p edestal position.  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 18:18
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02 Mar 2014, 18:18#6
Well dumb fuck, they did perform in the rain......they took it up and in fact set up the try yesterday........tell us dumb prick, what did you expect them to do on attack in the rain with wet underfoot conditions huh?

Last I checked, both have beaten defenders and Serfontein has scored a try..........wake the fuck up
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 18:25
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02 Mar 2014, 18:25#7

Sure - Serfontein scored a try when he got the ball in the clear with no defenders in site.   Both beat one defender - no line breaks - and Engelbrecht lost ball possession once and gave away a penalty as well.


Neither of them showed anything substantial thus far in Super 15 and they have to improve drastically in the remaining matches to get a pass mark insofar as performances are concerned.


   

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 18:26
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02 Mar 2014, 18:26#8

Sure - Serfontein scored a try when he got the ball in the clear with no defenders in site.   Both beat one defender - no line breaks - and Engelbrecht lost ball possession once and gave away a penalty as well.


Neither of them showed anything substantial thus far in Super 15 and they have to improve drastically in the remaining matches to get a pass mark insofar as performances are concerned.


   

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 18:30
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02 Mar 2014, 18:30#9
And I suppose the other centres have, have they, huh?

What Serfontein showed last week was two nice little outside breaks.......your problem is that you are too thick to pick up on these subtle showings........its way over your head.

I mean, just look at that utter load of shit you wrote about Frans last week, it was embarrassing  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 18:47
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02 Mar 2014, 18:47#10

 Two nice little outside breaks last week - are you dreaming or something?   Those so-called breaks amounted to nothing. 


Serfontein 0/0 0 1/3/9 14 0 3 0 3 2/2 0/0 1 0/0


I saw no line breaks above and saw none on the field of play as well,  He did beat three defenders - but made no real progress in ball carries and his defence was putrid - so was his possession losses and the penalty he gave away.


Not much to w rite home about - sad to say.    

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 18:57
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02 Mar 2014, 18:57#11
Not ever break amounts to something you fucking idiot.....it just meant he beat defenders through skill.......which is a positive, especially when those beatings were on the outside of the defender.......not that I expect you to know the difference.

You seriously know very little about rugby.......I do not understand why you even watch the game
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
02 Mar 2014, 19:37
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02 Mar 2014, 19:37#12
 This is my slant on Springbok performances thus far:
1. le Roux/Taute both have done OK nothing special thus far.2. Lambie.....not the attacking fly-half that SA rugby needs urgently. Safe but his kicking is very average.2a. Goosen has been dismal and that is being kind to him.3. v d Merwe (Bulls) and v d Merwe (Lions) very poor performances and slow.4. Victor....no comment.5. de Villiers....not good on attack/defence or leadership.6. Strauss/Bismark both excellent performances thus far and show leadership and also lead by example.7. Vermeulen....fair but is a very moody and short tempered player that hinders the flow of a game.8. Hoogie....not the player that first earned his Springbok cap.9. JJ/Serfontein/F Steyn all on the game.10. KanKan....has had two excellent games.11. Alberts has performed well but appears to be slowing down.12. Basson/Mvovo not impressed.13. M Coetzee has bulked up and is as always giving 100%.14. Jannie/Skalk should retire. Beast very average, Coenie had good games thus far, Cilliers/Mulharbe (? spelling) not Springboks.
Players knocking at the door for Springbok selection:
1 Sharks scrum half (Reinhart ? spelling)2. Lions fly half (Boshoff)3. Locks the youngsters from Free State, Lions, Bulls.4. Front row..M v d Merwe from the Bulls.5. Sharks full back...Marais.6. The center from the Stormers as well as the Sharks speedster.7. Flanks....Potgieter (Bulls) Lappies (Cheetahs)7. Wings...Rhule and the guy from the Stormers (not sure of his name ) but has played for the Boks 7 a side.
I am sure I have missed a few players but be kind in your comments clevermike/Saffex and company.



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 20:08
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02 Mar 2014, 20:08#13
AJ

How has Goosen been dismal? He has not been on fire, but he has certainly not been dismal
Flip has been good for the Bulls at lock, plenty of physicality so you are wrong here. Franco v/d Merwe of the Lions is just an average player.
Strauss is a class act but has started the S15 less than emphatically.......Bismark has had a slow start as well
We have not seen Hougie's attacking clout yet, but the rest of his game has been solid
You are wrong about Mvovo, he has been good. Basson is an average player
Beast has been good and Malherbe is a great addition to the Bok set-up......good scrummager and good in general play.......what you on about?
Not sure which young locks you are on about......other than Cheetahs Lood de Jager
While I rate Marcel v/d Merwe of the Bulls highly, he has had little game time to make an impression. He should be starting for the Bulls
Bulls flank is Jacques du Plessis not Potgieter
Stormers wing that has played Bok 7's?......I think you mean Cheetahs wing Cornel Hendricks who has been good until Fri's game where he was poor


AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
02 Mar 2014, 20:27
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02 Mar 2014, 20:27#14
 Saffex thanks for the corrections.
Appreciated.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 20:53
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02 Mar 2014, 20:53#15

AJ


The scrummie you are referring to is Reinach, the one center from the Stormers you mentioned is Damian de Allende.  The Sharks s[peedster is Paul Jordaan.


I don't think that either JJ Engelbrecht nor Jan Serfontein did anything worth mentioning in Super 15 thus far this year and Francois Steyn had an atrociously bad second game - refusing to pass balls, poor ball retention and giving away penalties.     

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 20:59
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02 Mar 2014, 20:59#16
AJ a bit of advice, ignore anything Mike has to say for the simple reason that he knows fuck all
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 21:17
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02 Mar 2014, 21:17#17

AJ


A bit of advice, ignore anything Mike has to say for the simple reason that he knows fuck all - b ut guess who knows less than fuck-all - my dear friend Saffex.


He has some real duds that he supports and when one shows that they are not worthy of Support - he goes ballistic.  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 21:19
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02 Mar 2014, 21:19#18
 So Mike are you saying you know more about rugby than I do?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2014, 21:31
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02 Mar 2014, 21:31#19

Saffex


No I don't - what I am saying is you refuse to be objective when it comes to certain  players  you support  and that reduces the quality of your contributions on this site.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Mar 2014, 23:34
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02 Mar 2014, 23:34#20
Mike dont insult me with your take on objectivity for you dont have a fucking clue what the word means.......look no further than the names Frans Steyn and Alberts......next you will be telling me you are objective when writing about these two? Fuck off, do you take me for a mug?

You are the least objective poster on this site and that is a FACT
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Mar 2014, 03:27
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03 Mar 2014, 03:27#21

Saffex


I have absolute factual support for what I wrote about Francois Steyn and Alberts.   My take is not based only on factual observation during games - but also statistical evidence which all support my take on their performances.  


When I wrote after the first game this series that Francois Steyn had a good game - it was proven also by stats.  When I wrote that he had a seriously defective game in the second match against the Hurricanes and in fact fucked up badly - the evidence was clear and precise.   I did not try and invent reasons to prove that he did he did well enough to avoid he criticism or did not condemn Steyn's performance unduly without any basis at all - since what I wrote was factual, clear and precise.


As to Willem Alberts - the same logical conclusions apply.  Low work rate - slowness - no ball protection or recovery - no ball passing ever - no role in line-outs - low tackle counts - unacceptably high missed tackle ratio's - all the above are evident for any observer to see and also confirmed by facts.   In the test against the French where he was highly lauded - his missed tackle ratio was 30,8%.  In the Saracens game he did squat and his defence stats in the first two Super 15 games was dismal - he made only 8 tackles missing 2 with a missed tackle ratio of 20% - incidentally that is worse than the tackles regularly put in by props and Alberts is supposed to be a loosie.


I have had ample reasons to criticize those two players - I did not have to invent things to praise them for or to criticize them.


So try again - your attack on me  his misfired AGAIN.                 




 

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