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The old boys would moer the youngsters

Started by Saffolk 10 REPLIES890 VIEWS· 07 Sept 2022, 08:43
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Sept 2022, 08:43
#1
07 Sept 2022, 08:43#1
If we had a 25 and under side play the overs, the overs would walk it. Here goes: Under 25: 15. Fassi 14. Tambwe 13. Xamlashe 12. Willemse 11. Moodie 10. Libbok 9. Hendrikse 1. Gerhard Steenkamp 2. Grobelaar 3. Sadie 4. Moerat 5. Ruben v Heerden 6. Buthelezi 7. Elrigh Louw 8. Roos Overs: 15. Willie 14. Kolbe 13. Am 12. de Allende 11. Mapimpi 10. Pollard 9. Faf 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. RG Snyman 6. Kolisi 7. PSDT 8. Wiese
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
07 Sept 2022, 09:29
#2
07 Sept 2022, 09:29#2

I love how you refer to old boys as "over 25's"

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Sept 2022, 10:14
#3
07 Sept 2022, 10:14#3

overs kadovers ... 


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Sept 2022, 11:10
#4
07 Sept 2022, 11:10#4
Wiese 26 RG 27 are the youngsters in the old boys side Am, Pollard, Marx and Kolbe are 28
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Sept 2022, 11:42
#5
07 Sept 2022, 11:42#5

Should make it over and under 30. The debate is always whether a 30 year old player holds any value. 

And if you really want to talk about age then we need to look at over 35. 

Kolisi and Etzebeth are between 30 and 31. Willie is 32/3. But most of our bok will be over 30 at next years World Cup. 

But, we need a better blend of youth, late 20s and some sprinkles of 30+ 

Player under 25 recover much faster and has better endurance. Players over 30 takes longer to come back from injury and even longer to get match fit, but they are also smarter players and know how to conserve energy and make telling players. 

Morne Steyn and Sexton are good examples, Wyn Jones is another. But I believe Locks and Flyhalfs can stay in the game longer even though playing Lock is more physical, it doesn't require so much movement or tackles. 

Wings have the shortest life spans, then its flankers followed by centers. 

Full Backs can also play until a later age. 

Then some props like Os were able to play well past 35. 

However, some would Argue that Matfield was passed it but then he was 37 and were out of the game for a while. 

The way I see it is on the position and whether it requires pace, mobility and durability. 

Look at a guy like Van Staaden, 26 but he already had so many head injuries that Leicester decided to let him go. If you look at how many hits he take in a ruck. Then you have Kolisi. can be physical in a tackle but only if there is another player next to him. He can poach like he did last week but only if the ruck clearing is poor. Where Van Staden would take the hits, Kolisi jumps back and runs to the side lines to avoid contact. 

Back to flyhallf, you also need an experi ence flyhallf. We saw Willemse put a poor grubber through over the weekend when he should have just dropped the ball short or step inside and to try and setup the next phase. However, if I look at how Wielie played by kicking when there were a clear 4 on 2 I wonder if it came from the coaches. 

Maybe Saffex should pick and over 30s instead

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Sept 2022, 11:46
#6
07 Sept 2022, 11:46#6

Dave

Frget about Libbok at 10 - the Under 20 flyhalf Ngomezulu is the way to go in the under 25 team.     

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Sept 2022, 12:03
#7
07 Sept 2022, 12:03#7

The older team doesn't have nearly as many useless quotas in the mix as the younger team has ... and so it stands to reason that they'd run 60 pts past the whippersnappers.

If the younger team is any indication of what the Boks will look like in the future then we're deeper in the dwang than initially thought.

 


TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
07 Sept 2022, 12:55
#8
07 Sept 2022, 12:55#8

SA rugby have no present, no future and no past.

Time to shake the grand delusion that keeps shackling SA: rugby will never be something else than an association with the Apartheid regime.

SA rugby have yet to produce a world class player from local populations. It will never happen.

The comparison with northern countries that operate on a much smaller pool of quota people is staggering.

Christianity was used to be said as a means to diminish sufferings among humanity.

The termination of SA rugby will help the cause.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Sept 2022, 17:29
#9
07 Sept 2022, 17:29#9
No Mike Libok was brilliant for the Stormers this year The Baby Bok 10 is a star in the making - his time is soon
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
07 Sept 2022, 21:26
#10
07 Sept 2022, 21:26#10

The average age in most world cup winning teams is 27. (That might be the average age for all rugby teams  - open division anyway).

If you were to create a team of everyone 29 and over, it might make two teams that are closer in quality. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Sept 2022, 21:51
#11
07 Sept 2022, 21:51#11
U27 15. Gelant 14. Nkosi 13. Rohan Janse v Rensburg 12. Willemse 11. Tambwe 10. Libbok 9. Hendrikse 1. Ox 2. Dweba 3. Thomas du Toit 4. Jason Jenkins 5. RG Snyman 6. Buthelezi 7. JL du Preez 8. Roos Over 27 15. Willie 14. Mapimpi 13. Am 12. de Allende 11. Kolbe 10. Pollard 9. Faf 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Kolisi 7. PSDT 8. Marcel Coetzee
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