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The queens and transformation

Started by Beeno15 REPLIES133 VIEWS· 17 Aug 2012, 11:38
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Aug 2012, 11:38
#1
17 Aug 2012, 11:38#1

Seems that this racist plan is already in trouble!

Ex Keo

Saru’s annual Super Rugby promotion-relegation plan does little to drive the ultimate goal behind the Southern Kings’ inclusion.

On Wednesday afternoon, Saru announced that the Kings will compete in Super Ruby in 2013, with the Lions dropping out as this season’s last-placed team. A promotion-relegation system was also confirmed, which will see next year’s last-placed South African side compete in a play-off for a 2014 tournament spot against the Jozi franchise. This will only be implemented for one year.

Saru president Oregan Hoskins and CEO Jurie Roux argued that rugby is a professional sport and a professional decision was made.

However, it must be noted that ultimate goal behind the Kings’ inclusion is to assist with transformation in the Eastern Cape region, which is rich in black talent. The likes of Lwazi Mvovo, Siya Kolisi, Akona and Odwa Ndungane, and Bandise Maku all hail from the province.

Hoskins hopes that the Kings’ Super Rugby run will inspire young people of colour to partake in the sport, and go on and represent the franchise.

‘Historically, the top black and coloured rugby players come from the Eastern Cape,’ Hoskins told keo.co.za. ‘We are doing what we can in terms of developing more players of colour. We have academies set up in the Eastern Cape region and in the Boland region to help with transformation.

‘We also hope that with the Kings playing Super Rugby, that these youngsters will want to stay in their home union and play for their local franchise.’

Hoskins added that he was not satisfied with the current transformation circumstances at the Kings. The are only three players of colour who regularly start for the team in the Currie Cup First Division (flank Thabo Mamojele, wing Marcello Sampson and inside centre Tiger Mangweni), while New Zealand coaches have been appointed at the start of domestic campaign. (No coaches of colour - whats up cheeky?)

‘We will have talks with the different unions over the next month as we will go on a roadshow to visit all the provinces,’ said Hoskins. ‘This will include a stop in PE, where we can chat about this. EP president Cheeky Watson has ensured that we will witness some transformation during Super Rugby next year, so we trust he will deal with that. (My advice to you cheeky is get the best players you can of whatever colour as you are about to get the biggest hidings ever witnessed at super rugby level if you dont up the quality of your squad dramatically)

‘We will also be talking to the different coaches, who actually do the groundwork.’

However, will this ‘quick fix’ actually contribute to the ultimate goal? And have the Kings been given a fair chance to prove themselves at Super Rugby level? (Unfrotunately given is the operative word here - not earned and hence the widespread contempt for cheeky and his queens)

The Kings are only guaranteed one year of Super Rugby. If they finish last next season, they’ll have to compete in the promotion-relegation play-off. And should they be eliminated, their progress will not reach its full potential. (Why should it not reach full potential. Get going in the currie Cup and work your way up. You will find that if youy do well and earn a spot at the table you will also earn some respect)

The Kings are likely to finish last next season, considering the trends set by other Super Rugby debutants. The Western Force and Melbourne Rebels were both wooden spoonists in their respective debut campaigns and still feature in the bottom half of the standings. The Cheetahs and Lions continue to struggle as independent franchises since splitting from the Cats initiative in 2006.

Roux acknowledged this scenario and stressed that they are hoping to get other solutions in place.

‘Saru’s input doesn’t stop here. We will continue planning more solutions for post-2013,’ said Roux.

So sharkbok I wouldn't complain about Englands plans to improve themsleves if I were you. They are hugely better than this stuff which makes us the laughing stock of world rugby yet again - think ou pdv.

CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
17 Aug 2012, 12:09
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17 Aug 2012, 12:09#2

the lions complete regressen i think made this decision a lot easier as well on top of that. well lets see what happens

 

 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,301 posts
17 Aug 2012, 19:17
#3
17 Aug 2012, 19:17#3

 It is interesting that the team that finishes last on the Super15 log has to have a play off match with the Lions(or if another team, how is it decided who the team is?).

It is allmost certain the Kings will finish last on the log, so in theory they should have a play off match with the Lions. This means that the Kings may only get one year in the Super 15. 

Would it not be more logical to just keep them in the tournament until the competition expands to accomodate the 6th team(now the Lions).

This is more terribale management from Sarfu. How will the kings secure contracts for players- if their is a good chance they will be relegated in one year. In all likelihood a Lions team will beat the Kings with ease. So from a practical viewpoint the Kings are only going to get 1 year in the Super15. 

The practical challenge for the Lions is to still have players of Super15 standard by the time the play offs arrive. 

Either way- for the purposes of contracting players and building a team- this play off situation leaves both the Kings and Lions in a terribale position. If the Lions win the play off(if it happens, Sarfu may realise the stupidity and retract it), should the Lions win at the end of the Season, this not give much time to prepare for the next season.

Who would want to play for the Kings if they are allmost assured of only having one year in the tournament.

What does SanZAR make of all of this? The other teams do not even know who they are going to play and where? Surely this must also impact the logistics of the tournament.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,301 posts
17 Aug 2012, 19:18
#4
17 Aug 2012, 19:18#4

 It is interesting that the team that finishes last on the Super15 log has to have a play off match with the Lions(or if another team, how is it decided who the team is?).

It is allmost certain the Kings will finish last on the log, so in theory they should have a play off match with the Lions. This means that the Kings may only get one year in the Super 15. 

Would it not be more logical to just keep them in the tournament until the competition expands to accomodate the 6th team(now the Lions).

This is more terribale management from Sarfu. How will the kings secure contracts for players- if their is a good chance they will be relegated in one year. In all likelihood a Lions team will beat the Kings with ease. So from a practical viewpoint the Kings are only going to get 1 year in the Super15. 

The practical challenge for the Lions is to still have players of Super15 standard by the time the play offs arrive. 

Either way- for the purposes of contracting players and building a team- this play off situation leaves both the Kings and Lions in a terribale position. If the Lions win the play off(if it happens, Sarfu may realise the stupidity and retract it), should the Lions win at the end of the Season, this not give much time to prepare for the next season.

Who would want to play for the Kings if they are allmost assured of only having one year in the tournament.

What does SanZAR make of all of this? The other teams do not even know who they are going to play and where? Surely this must also impact the logistics of the tournament.

GA
garethedwardsClub Pro240 posts
17 Aug 2012, 20:03
#5
17 Aug 2012, 20:03#5

Doubt the Lions (current squad and management) will be around this time 2013.

Time for the big 4 to go shopping if you ask me.

AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
19 Aug 2012, 21:47
#6
19 Aug 2012, 21:47#6

 If the rugby directors are so worried about transformation get the ANC to donate some of the money they hoard and start a Black/Cloured EP Queens side to play in the S15.

I am sure that many SA's will support them rather than see Puke Watson playing.

If you want to make changes do it right the first time and all will be on board.

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