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The really poor match the Boks played last year.....

Started by Mozart13 REPLIES313 VIEWS· 12 Aug 2013, 18:49
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Aug 2013, 18:49
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12 Aug 2013, 18:49#1
....was the test against NZ at home. Yes we had a careless draw against the Poms after the series was won.....and yes we were out of sorts at a new venue in Bargieland. But it was the loss against NZ that hurt. We had just beaten Oz and played quite well against NZ in our away fixture. There was every reason to hope for a home win against the team we really want to beat. - But we lost. Why? Well primarily because of the performances of three fan favourites....Taute, Goosen and Jantjies. These are exactly the type of players that fans are clamoring for again....they never learn!
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
12 Aug 2013, 19:17
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12 Aug 2013, 19:17#2

 What are you on about, Goosen played well. It was when he went off injured that we began to fall apart. And if he had played badly in your eyes he was injured with a bruised heel. Two players that didn't play well, the former hurts me to say this, Etzebeth and Alberts as well as the other two you mentioned.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Aug 2013, 19:30
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12 Aug 2013, 19:30#3
I don't think he played well. He played well against Oz the week before.....but against NZ he was jittery from the start and that impacted the team. He missed an admittedly tough tackle for a try, missed early penalties and never even attempted one run. - Unfortunately his replacement, Jantjies, was equally out of synch.....almost being bypassed by the team. And Taute featured prominently in all three NZ tries. - It wasn't Alberts, Pienaar or Jean who lost this test...it was the youngsters
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
12 Aug 2013, 19:34
#4
12 Aug 2013, 19:34#4

 Goosen got injured near the start of the game.

 

He actually went into the game with another injury to his heel and perhaps should not have played against Australia the week before, although his performance in that game was exceptional.

 

He could not kick for poles very well because of his ankle injury, but has allready proved to be an exceptional pole kicker. 

The injury that he got this year was when practising kicking for poles and seems that the injury from last year did not recover properly, and he made it worse.

 

In the NewZealand game he  was actually getting treatment when he ran across to try stop a lock forward- Sam Whitelock.

 

Standing with 2 injuries and stationary on the line, it is unlikely that an 85 kg 20 year old flyhalf is going to stop a lock from running at full speed from crossing. It was a brave tackle none then the less and had Goosen not been standing on the line, Whitelock would not have scored.

 

The try was mostly the result from the stupidity of Crash Ball Taute who did not kick the ball out and gae newzealand the perfect counter attacking oppertunity.

 

Jantjies came onto the pitch and was completely out of his depth. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Aug 2013, 19:37
#5
12 Aug 2013, 19:37#5
We only had one good test last year and that was against Oz, for the rest we were damn poor
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
12 Aug 2013, 19:39
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12 Aug 2013, 19:39#6

 Goosen set up the first try and attacked the Kiwi line frequently, he didn't break the line but he created a lot of momentum for our backs to feed off. Bruised heel would affect his kicking in that way, surprised he manage to make any goal kicks!

Taute did not have a good game and Jantjies did what he does best, mess up.

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
12 Aug 2013, 19:43
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12 Aug 2013, 19:43#7

Sharkbok, think it was the Bruised heel that he went into the match with and went off because of it, didn't know he picked up another injury. It wasn't the injury in that game reappearing that made Goosen miss this years Super XV, it was a freak accident that messed up one of his thigh/calf ligaments or Muscle.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Aug 2013, 19:48
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12 Aug 2013, 19:48#8
Mozart There was a number of really poor games the Springboks played in and those include the Soweto test. Overall it was not the newer players that cast the Boks dearly - the worst culprits were the established players that cost the team more dearly than anybody else. Lets consider them in all tests played:- * Morne Steyn was a disaster in all the lost tests he played in - probably the biggest failure of all players involved:- * Francois Steyn - overweight and slow - was bad from the start * Kirchner that produced nothing and whose main contribution was destructive in all the games he played in; * Francois Hougaard on the wing was poor and simply useless * Willem Alberts was in the team in name only and did squat in all the tests he played in - went AWOL in the Soweto test; * Kruger played poorly in all the tests he played in - his record in line outs and defence was poor at best. Nobody clamours for favourites - what we clamour for is that the rubbish produced by the so-called senior players should be identified and dealt with. You blamed Goosen for flops that is imaginary - the real culprits in the Soweto test was really the senior players and two juniors that should not have been in the team in the positions they played in - namely Jantjies and Taute. Why concentrate on the Soweto Test only - the other lost tests were equally bad - and were caused in the main by the under-performing senior players. All of them are back and they will repeat the chronic under-performances again this year - so nothing will change. Those senior flops in all tests - were also flops in the Soweto test when still in the team - so why ignore them in total when dealing with this issue?.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 Aug 2013, 20:19
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12 Aug 2013, 20:19#9

i thought goosen was useless in swoetto period. the reasons why which as usual are plentiful are irrelevant, cos kak spelt backwards is still kak, LMAO, :oD

goosen still has a ton of potential and one can only hope his seemingly fragile body lives up tot hat potential, cos right now that seems to be the only thing holding him back, i just hope he dosent resort to old habbits to get physically better, o_O

taute had a few cock ups here and there, but i really rate him and thought he had a decent 2012 season on every level.
like goosen he has a ton of potential and IMO will be the incumbent fullback much sooner then later, he reminds me lots of mils muliaina.

janties is a work in progress, but i havent lost faith in him, even though the rest of the world has. his confidecne is at an all time low and hopefully he can get some of it back in the CC and come back in 2014 with a clean slate.

@mikey,
bit harsh on alberts, he was awsome against the english in SA, even had many if not all here picking him as the clear No7 incumbent heading into the RC/4nats.

i didnt mind kruger either, but there are a lot of better locks out there, especially at the moment.

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
12 Aug 2013, 20:48
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12 Aug 2013, 20:48#10

I can't be arsed to prove you wrong again about Goosen!

Taute has not done himself any favours by moving to the Stormers.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Aug 2013, 22:28
#11
12 Aug 2013, 22:28#11
Taute like Mils......surely not?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
12 Aug 2013, 22:55
#12
12 Aug 2013, 22:55#12

 Jaco Taute reminds my of Jorrie Muller

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Aug 2013, 22:59
#13
12 Aug 2013, 22:59#13

A much better analogy....all bustle, no brains

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Aug 2013, 00:10
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13 Aug 2013, 00:10#14

How many more times does it need to be stated that Goosen went into the NZ match injured and should never have played that game. One could hardly blame Meyer for turning a blind eye to his injury given his performance against Oz the week before.

 

It was apparent early on in the NZ match that he was limping, so no he was not jittery and all that, he was injured.

 

Taute was fairly beaten by a Dagg step and that was his only sin in that test. He had good tests against Oz and Ireland and that is a fact. He was our best test 13 last year, certainly betterthan Jean and de Jongh. Meyers retention of de Jongh in the test against England was one of many of his kock-ups for the year.

 

Taute, like JJ will prove all his detratctors wrong, the lad is a class act and will be a Bok for many years to come.

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