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The role of Alberts misunderstood

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generaltitPro3,164 posts
09 Apr 2014, 11:30
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09 Apr 2014, 11:30#1

Willem Alberts is rated as one of the best ball carriers in the game today. He can play both b/s flank and lock and is one of the greatest assets to both the Sharks and the Boks.


A dual purpose player...like the great Frik Du Preez who also was used in both positions...granted in the old days the loosies could break away from the scrum and this changed the roles somewhat.


The blindside flanker has the job of stopping any move by the opponents on the blind (or 'narrow') side from a scrum. Blindside flankers are often responsible for cover defence from set pieces and may play a more physical role at the line-outs,where they may well be used as a jumper. They can also be used for breaking their opposition line in open play using their speed and strength to break tackles.

Since most of the back play is usually on the open side, where there is more space, it is usually the openside flanker's job to be the first to any breakdown of play and to get his/her hands on any loose ball (or to cause a breakdown by tackling the ball carrier or otherwise hurrying him into error). At a scrum where the ball has been won by the opposition, the openside flanker often has the best view of when the ball is out and is able to break away and close down the opposing ball-carrier, reducing the time available for a pass or kick. Openside flankers are often smaller than their blindside counterparts

Most countries prefer a quicker openside flanker with the ability to get off the scrum quickly so that he can scavenge for the ball. In South Africa, however, it is preferred for the blindside flanker to be quicker as it is often their duty to carry the ball, meaning they prefer the person running with the ball being quicker rather than the person trying steal it.

Flankers are not always assigned specific roles as opensides and blindsides. For example, Scotland flankers Finlay Calder,John Jeffrey, left and right, rather than open and blind. French teams tend not to make a distinction between the two roles, and their flankers also usually play left and right rather than open and blind: thus, Serge Betsen wore the number 6 (which in most teams denotes a blindside flanker), but would pack down on either the open or blind sides of the scrum, and will often harass the opposition fly-half in the manner of an openside; like Calder and Jeffrey for Scotland, Betsen and Olivier Magne formed an outstanding left-right partnership for France.


Willem Alberts took his game to the next level during the 2013 Test season, writes JON CARDINELLI.

‘Excuse me,’ says a young lady standing in the border control queue at the OR Tambo International Airport. ‘Are you Willem Alberts? Would you mind taking a photo with me?’

The Springbok flank turns around gingerly, and manages a grotesque smile when the fan’s friend captures the moment on an iPhone. Alberts’ bruised and bloodied face tells the tale of a war staged less than 48 hours previously on the battleground of the Stade de France. His slow movements belie the brutal truth: he is a man in pain. Thus is the lot of a blindside flanker.

Alberts picked up a shoulder injury in a particularly physical encounter against Wales this past November. The Bok medical staff later concluded there would be no risk of further injury if Alberts started in subsequent matches against Scotland and France, so it was left to him to make the decision. How much pain was he willing to endure for his country? And more importantly, how badly did South Africa need the 1.91m, 120kg hulk in conditions suited to close-quarters combat?

Coach Heyneke Meyer answered both questions after the tour-defining victory against France. His statement was emphatic: Alberts had emerged as the Boks’ most valuable player of the tour, and had impressed as much with his mental tenacity as his ability to dominate the collisions.

Alberts showed Meyer exactly why he will be an asset to the Boks at the 2015 World Cup, which will be staged in similar conditions. It is in this region where the pace of the game is slower, and defences have more time to realign after each phase.

The Boks developed their attacking game this past season, but it would be foolish to ignore the fact that their traditional strengths are amplified on the slow, wet fields of the north. And it is in those conditions where a player like Alberts is in his element.

In 2012, SA Rugby magazine interviewed the Bok coach on the topic of Alberts. The Boks had just clinched the series against England after a second straight win at Ellis Park, and Meyer had duly praised a man he considered to be one of the best blindsides on the planet.

Meyer tempered that statement by declaring that as good as Alberts was in that momentum-stopper/momentum-gatherer role, the flanker was only operating at 50% of his full potential.

So has Alberts improved over the subsequent two seasons?

The stats tell a powerful story.

Alberts averaged the most tackles per game on the three-Test tour of Europe, but what was most remarkable was his efficiency in the tackle. Bok forwards coach Johann van Graan confirms that Alberts’ biggest improvement in this regard has been his timing.

His execution in terms of hitting opponents and driving them backwards has been telling. That he has maintained this high standard at the gainline is why the Boks have boasted such a formidable defensive record in recent times.

Van Graan points to Alberts’ other strengths as crucial to South Africa’s cause. He’s the team’s primary ball-carrier, the man tasked with breaching the gainline when the Boks launch from the lineout. His prowess at this set piece also hands the Boks an alternative jumping option at the back.

His natural physicality is enhanced by his mental tenacity. As Van Graan tells SA Rugby magazine, Alberts didn’t waste too much time on deciding on whether he would play in those three Tests in Europe or nurse that shoulder injury.

‘He’s a special man,’ says the Bok forwards coach of his star blindside. ‘He doesn’t speak much, but actions can speak louder than words. That being said, he is a popular guy in the team, and I’d say he [embodies] the spirit of the forwards.’

The team missed Alberts’ influence at the breakdowns and collisions when he was unavailable for the Boks’ first two Tests of 2013. That latter game against Scotland was eventually won by the Boks, but it will be remembered as the day the South Africans were handed a physical lesson by their underdog opponents.

Alberts’ colossal impact was negated in that crunch Rugby Championship Test between the All Blacks and Boks at Eden Park. Bismarck du Plessis was shown a yellow card in the first half and then a red in the second, the upshot being the Boks played 48 minutes of the contest with 14 men. It would also prove significant that Alberts, one of the gainline heroes in the preceding match against Australia at Suncorp Stadium, left the field as an enforced substitution. Du Plessis’ ejection necessitated the deployment of hooker Adriaan Strauss, which in turn forced one of the loose forwards to sit out. How different that game may have been had Du Plessis and Alberts both remained on the park for the full 80 minutes.

The Boks went into the final match of that tournament needing a four-try bonus point, as well as a win, to clinch the Rugby Championship. With the aim of realising that ambitious goal, they altered their game plan to play at a higher tempo.

It was an approach that did not suit Alberts’ strengths. Again, the game plan of the Boks may have been very different had they simply needed a win at Ellis Park to clinch the title.

While the Boks have proved that they can vary their style of play, Meyer is mindful of the fact that the next World Cup will be played on the wet and soft pitches of England. He will select players suited to the conditions and to a more direct approach, and in this respect, there isn’t a player better equipped for the task than Willem Alberts.

– This article first appeared in the January-February issue of SA Rugby magazine

Also comments by Jon

 

There has been criticism of the Boks' back row in terms of their pace, acceleration, and ball skills. Some feel it is not up to the standard set by the New Zealanders. I agree that the Bok loosies lack the offloading skills of Kieran Read and Liam Messam, but then they play a different sort of game that maximises the physical strengths of behemoths such as Alberts, Duane Vermeulen, and even Francois Louw.

The Boks have proved difficult to stop when they have executed their simple but effective game plan. Alberts has been at the heart of that effort, and is easily the best blindside flanker in world rugby today.

 



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Apr 2014, 17:11
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09 Apr 2014, 17:11#2
Thanks for that Chabal. Alberts can make fine open field tackles as he showed when he tracked back 50 metres to stop a certain try at the start of the Waratahs game. But that's not his strength. If we are using Alberts as a cover defender we have stepped out of our game plan. He is there to bust the first tackle and offload.....to make the hits around the breakdown driving the ball carrier back and exposing him for a turnover.....to thunder over the ball on the ground and add power to our mauls. H e gets through a massive share of the physical work any team needs to do to win in top rugby today.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Apr 2014, 17:47
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09 Apr 2014, 17:47#3
I do not think that Alberts fullfil all the functions of a loosie - he is easily beaten on the blindside - like happened in the Ellis Park test in the case of the Read tackle.   He never participates in breakdown ball protection/recovery and he rarely takes part in open field tackles unless players run straight at him.
Mozart is flipping again when he referred to the certain try.  There was a breakdown ball recovery process in play while Alberts was retreating and he arrived in time for the tackle to be made.  
I think that Alberts tole is limited to ball carries in traffic - he cannot do so in open field play - because of speed deficiency and ball handling deficiency - as well as tackles - mostly in traffic.  In essence he makes far fewer tackles than an average blindside loosie makes - because he does not have enough tackles to his credit in open field play. 
In essence he is a third lock that is being used on the blindside of the scrum and his strength effectively is to assist the locks and tight 5 - more than fulfilling the functions of a loosie.
Mozart the following:-
".to thunder over the ball on the ground and add power to our mauls."  Nice terminology - but does it ever happen?  I have not seen one case during the past year where Alberts get to the ball in time to do what you preached here.   He gets to breakdowns and mostly do not enter same - while waiting for the ball to come out.  Sometimes they passed balls to him in such circumstances and his latest try was a typical result what in facts happens.  
I think that Alberts performs well in respect of the following categories:-
 *   In traffic tackling *   Ball carries in traffic *   Rolling mauls
He does moderate work in line outs inasmuch as -
  *   he has taken some line out balls - but not enough to say he is a good line out player;  *   a limited number of tackles in open field play if players come near enough to him on their own;
He does not perform the following functions at all -
  *   open field ball carries, linking with the loosies and backline players;  *   breakdown ball protection  *   breakdown ball recoveries.
Some coaches prefer to concentrate on tight play and in that case Alberts is an option.   However, in tests in the CR he is really a liability more than an asset - since both the Aussies and the AB's take the ball wide to avoid the stronger Bok tight 5 - and the contribution Alberts can make in such matches are extremely limited or even negative.  He may be useful in NH conditions - but in RC conditions not so-     
         
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
09 Apr 2014, 17:57
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09 Apr 2014, 17:57#4

 Mike said..."like happened in the Ellis Park test in the case of the Read tackle etc"


That test was an exception...Alberts’ colossal impact was negated in that crunch Rugby Championship Test between the All Blacks and Boks at Eden Park. Bismarck du Plessis was shown a yellow card in the first half and then a red in the second, the upshot being the Boks played 48 minutes of the contest with 14 men. It would also prove significant that Alberts, one of the gainline heroes in the preceding match against Australia at Suncorp Stadium, left the field as an enforced substitution. Du Plessis’ ejection necessitated the deployment of hooker Adriaan Strauss, which in turn forced one of the loose forwards to sit out. How different that game may have been had Du Plessis and Alberts both remained on the park for the full 80 minutes.


The Boks went into the final match of that tournament needing a four-try bonus point, as well as a win, to clinch the Rugby Championship. With the aim of realising that ambitious goal, they altered their game plan to play at a higher tempo.


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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Apr 2014, 18:07
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09 Apr 2014, 18:07#5
 Seb
My problem is that a higher tempo game does not suit Alberts' style of play.  That is the case particularly if the AB's and Aussies play a wider game.   
I think the reason why Alberts missed the Read tackle is not an exception - it is rather the rule.   He routinely missed similar tackles in the past - eg in the Samoa test and in the CC.   Alberts missed tackles are always of a similar nature - he is sound in in traffic tackles - but he is poor when speed becomes an issue.   
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Apr 2014, 21:11
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09 Apr 2014, 21:11#6
Dom ou.....of course the ABs and Oz try to take the ball wide. We have two options as a result....we can play their game plan and put in a bunch of fast loosies that lack physicality. Or we can impose our game plan by keeping things tight. That's how we won in 2009 and how we will always win against the ABs. Play their game as you are stupidly advocating and we don't stand a chance. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Apr 2014, 22:55
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09 Apr 2014, 22:55#7
 Mozart
Are you delusional?  We can keep the game tight from our side, but we cannot prevent NZ and Australia to take it wide.  I am not in favour of the Springboks taking it wide all the time - but they should as a variation take it wide occasionally.
We have no loosies that contribute to taking balls wide and we have no loosie cover to limit the damage caused by NZ and Aussie players when they do.  We do not get loosies to breakdown points quickly enough and cannot compete in that aspect of the game.  When we take the ball wide we have every chance of losing possession because our loosies do not participate in breakdown ball protection.1
You mention 2009 as an example - yet you do not recognize the subsequent rule changes aimed at enhancing attacking rugby.
Continue with our present approach and "we don't stand a chance".

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
10 Apr 2014, 00:14
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10 Apr 2014, 00:14#8
Some may misunderstand Seb but it is only due to a lack of real life experience as many rugby players have been taught a lesson they will never forget and now have complete understanding


Scarra about to learn his lesson





Launchbury not realizing school is about to be in session !





Cheetahs wondering when the bell ring and it will all be over










Mealamu wasn't paying attention and needed a little more hands on tutoring









Cueto, still wearing the effects of Lesson 1, about to learn Lesson 2






Hollywood tries its best to capture the essence of the man








Willem Alberts - sensei of pain

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
10 Apr 2014, 00:25
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10 Apr 2014, 00:25#9
 I think the point has been missed.It was an approach that did not suit Alberts’ strengths. Again, the game plan of the Boks may have been very different had they simply needed a win at Ellis Park to clinch the title.


While the Boks have proved that they can vary their style of play, Meyer is mindful of the fact that the next World Cup will be played on the wet and soft pitches of England. He will select players suited to the conditions and to a more direct approach, and in this respect, there isn’t a player better equipped for the task than Willem Alberts.


And yes, I do agree within certain parameters we must vary our strategies but at the same time it is imperative to utilise our strengths...we cannot copy the AB's or even the French way of using our loose forwards...we're simply got to do what we're best at. Our mix must suit the way we play best. Cannot copy other styles of other nations.

As mentioned...Most countries prefer a quicker openside flanker with the ability to get off the scrum quickly so that he can scavenge for the ball. In South Africa, however, it is preferred for the blindside flanker to be quicker as it is often their duty to carry the ball, meaning they prefer the person running with the ball being quicker rather than the person trying steal it.
Flankers are not always assigned specific roles as opensides and blindsides. For example, Scotland flankers Finlay Calder,John Jeffrey, left and right, rather than open and blind. French teams tend not to make a distinction between the two roles, and their flankers also usually play left and right rather than open and blind: thus, Serge Betsen wore the number 6 (which in most teams denotes a blindside flanker), but would pack down on either the open or blind sides of the scrum, and will often harass the opposition fly-half in the manner of an openside; like Calder and Jeffrey for Scotland, Betsen and Olivier Magne formed an outstanding left-right partnership for France and more recent;

Nyanga plays at flanker in the style of a classic carrier with explosive pace from the scrum and excellent ability to support backs in later phases of play and good leg muscles to drive through the tackle, although being relatively light for a back row forward he can contain larger and more physical opposite numbers in rucks and mauls.

And of course Thierry Dusautour is a strong ball carrier with good speed and possessing the right amount of strength to break tackles.


OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
10 Apr 2014, 00:32
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10 Apr 2014, 00:32#10
Based on the picture above, the things that may be going through Scarra's mind at that moment:


1. What the hell, why me?
2. Drop and roll ...... drop and roll
3. Quota's suck - otherwise I wouldn't be in this situation right now
4. Do I have a will ?
5. Coach didn't show me how to tackle a bulldozer.
6. He's looking right at me, but do you think he sees me? Maybe if I pretend to be   invisible ......
7. On a scale of 1 to 10 this is about to be a 12
8. Mommy !
9. Note to self - don't venture too far from the ruck, there are wild beasts afoot
10. Life .... its been good. Farewell cruel world.

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
10 Apr 2014, 00:43
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10 Apr 2014, 00:43#11

Oi ! matey....hail the Bone Collector 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Apr 2014, 01:04
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10 Apr 2014, 01:04#12
Dom Oom of course you can limit the amount of times the opponents go wide....you dominate possession and territory (nobody goes wide on their own line). That's the whole game ...rolling over the ball on the ground , dominating lineouts and using the rush defence. Incidentally an ineffective rush defence by JJ cost us in the RC. That's what Fury gave us at YE....but it went whoosh over your head.  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
10 Apr 2014, 03:14
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10 Apr 2014, 03:14#13
 Oimatey, that was classic.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Apr 2014, 03:15
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10 Apr 2014, 03:15#14
 Hell - back to the personal insult level again.  Look dumbo - in the Ellis Park test the Springboks had 60% possession - but the AB's used the 40% better than we used the 60%.   There is no way we cannot stop that 40% going wide.   
This is the idiot that did not see the failure of Alberts in the defense of the first try, the one who missed Alberts falling over his feet instead of tryibg to get possession of a tackled ball -the one who mixed up De Villiers and Engelbrecht in the case of the Barrett try - who also missed the idiocy of Morne in not making a relieving kick in his own 22 seconds before the end of the first half.
"(nobody goes wide on their own line)"   What the hell did Morne think with seconds to go before halftime in the Ellis Park test  then?   I get it you are on the same thinking level as Morne - near to zero.  
This is getting funnier than your previous postings.  It sounds like you think the Springboks are playing Namibia - where all your hallucinations will be achievable - against NZ and Australia it shows that you have no idea about real rugby.     
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Apr 2014, 03:51
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10 Apr 2014, 03:51#15
Wrong the Ellis Park test proved that playing NZs game was a sure fire loser.....a loss you apparently want to repeat. The really stupid ones can't learn. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Apr 2014, 04:35
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10 Apr 2014, 04:35#16
 Mozart
 Don't you get it - your dumb game ideas as outlined above may be achievable against Namibia - not against stronger teams.
And where did I say ever that I think that we should play the New Zealand game?  Do you understand what the word "variation" means?   Obviously not - so you have to invent lies when making allegations as to what I favour.
"I am not in favour of the Springboks taking it wide all the time - but they should as a variation take it wide occasionally."
Do you not  understand the above sentence - minute litt le  mind?
   


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
10 Apr 2014, 15:55
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10 Apr 2014, 15:55#17
 
Awesome read Sebastien and Oimatey.

Enjoyed that immensely.


NT
ntangaClub Pro336 posts
11 Apr 2014, 00:15
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11 Apr 2014, 00:15#18
 Great thread Sebastienchabal, I am a great admirer of Alberts.  People appreciate the presence Alberts possess when they meet him in person, a mountain of a man. 
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
11 Apr 2014, 00:24
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11 Apr 2014, 00:24#19
Thanks Ntanga...where have you been hiding...good to have you back.
NT
ntangaClub Pro336 posts
11 Apr 2014, 02:16
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11 Apr 2014, 02:16#20
 @ Sebastienchabal; I've been a bit busy lately moving houses, and trying balance that with my work schedule as well as maintaining a meaningful family time. 



I've checked in to the Ruckers to read some interesting threads too, great contribution from the guys, thumbs up .  
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