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The rugby deficiencies of Erasmus by the Experts on site

Started by clevermike17 REPLIES413 VIEWS· 21 Jul 2019, 06:12
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 06:12
#1
21 Jul 2019, 06:12#1

When I made a posting comparing the 2012 season of Meyer with the 2018 season of Erasmus - the two "experts" on site had a fit,   I pointed out that Erasmus team -


*    scored at least 32 tries in 2018 compared to the 22 scored by Meyer's  team in 2012; and

*    won an away test against the AB's - a feat Meyer's teams never achieved.


In the past week the two "experts" developed idiot speak to the loudest ever,   Erasmus was attacked all out for "splitting" of the team and made dire comments on some players,   


We are in a WC year again and now we have the joke of the season.   Despite their name-calling Erasmus achieved  something yesterday that proves he is a better coach than Meyer ever was.  In the 2015 Rugby Championship like this year only three tests are played.   In 2015 Meyer's team LOST all three tests - including a home test against Argentina - the first loss of its kind since Argentina joined the RC in 2012.


Despite their personal attacks on Erasmus and the name-calling the team yesterday played better than Meyer's did in 2015,   So the idiot speak was loudest in the past week and  the attacks on layers were relentless,   Now suddenly Mozart "discovered" Hershel Jantjies - but for the rest the attacks were on their normal pet hate players.


One would have thought that the perpetrators would have learned from their mistakes and keep quiet - but that is not to be expected,                   

    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 07:45
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21 Jul 2019, 07:45#2

I used to think that you were a fan of J-Raz, now I'm thinking your feelings go beyond that. You really do need to get some fresh air and reassess this obsession with a man who's affection will never be yours. I know that sounds insensitive, but we must realistically frame the situation. 

Now, onto the rugby. I dealt with the issue of 2012 is detail numerous times. Each and every time your credibility is carried away on a stretcher and put on end of life care. 

2012 vs 2018

TRIES

  1. New Zealand 18/33
  2. South Africa 12/21
  3. Argentina 7/18
  4. Australia 7/16
CLEAN BREAKS
  1. New Zealand 45/107
  2. South Africa 19/64
  3. Argentina 18/72
  4. Australia 14/77
CARRIES
  1. New Zealand 574/860
  2. Australia 568/733
  3. South Africa 506/658
  4. Argentina 433/717
METRES CARRIED
  1. New Zealand 2541/3508
  2. South Africa 1723/2185
  3. Australia 1669/2453
  4. Argentina 1458/2575
DEFENDERS BEATEN
  1. New Zealand 101/198
  2. South Africa 71/121
  3. Argentina 69/153
  4. Australia 64/137
TACKLES WON%
  1. New Zealand 91.4%, 85.7%
  2. South Africa 90.0%, 85.5%
  3. Australia 86.9%, 80.9%
  4. Argentina 86.0%, 81.0%
The comparison between the 2012 and 2018 RC reveals that the game as a whole has changed. You repeatedly compare numbers between years without providing context for those numbers. In 2012 New Zealand scored three less tries than the 2018 Boks and fifteen fewer than their 2018 side. Attack numbers across the board have increased whilst defence has decreased. The breakdown numbers also show that the rucks are contested far less intensely than before. 

Here's an interesting thing: Meyer's 2013 Boks were better than the All Blacks for metres carried, clean breaks etc. In fact, the Boks comfortably bettered the rest of the competition for clean breaks and finished one try less than New Zealand. Can J-Raz achieve that? He has the benefit of an easier schedule than a full RC. 

2015 vs 2019

We can compare the Aussie tests for either year. We may begin by comparing lineups. 

Australia: The Aussies were able to feature Folau, AAC, Giteau and an in form Genia. They also had Pocock on the bench. This is already a stronger Aussie side, one who later went on quite a stretch of terrifying offence, not the limp side since 2017 which has been the least productive attacking Wallaby side in over 40 years! 

South Africa: The Boks relied on Marcel Coetzee at 7 in 2015. They also had Damian, which proved to be a deathblow to the final result. Literally. It was more experimental in that Kriel played his first game at 13, and this on his debut. Overall, I'd say the Bok wings were better in 2015, but you have argued they were old, fat and useless. In fact, if you are to be consistent in your views, you must yourself conclude that the 2018 personnel is better, therefore Meyer is at a disadvantage. He certainly didn't have the services of Andre to dominate the opposition, or a Frans! 

STATISTICS


Do keep in mind that the Boks played in Suncorp Stadium, the venue with the third worst Bok record in Bok history. J-Raz played at home, at altitude. Was it really that much better? I don't think so. You claim to have found "proof" that J-Raz is a better coach, but none exists. 

Better luck next time old man. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 08:13
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21 Jul 2019, 08:13#3

AO

Question and be honest for a change - did Meyer's team lose all three RC games in 2015? Y es or no?  Who the hell is J-Raz anyway piss brain?   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 08:25
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21 Jul 2019, 08:25#4

J-Raz is the abbreviated hood form of José Erasmus, chief parker of the tractor. Some call him coach. 

Why don't you cease this little dance, wriggling like wee wirm to escape defeat, and deal with what I posted. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jul 2019, 10:41
#5
21 Jul 2019, 10:41#5

Don't like to see a good man lose his marbles but ou Organhuffer is far gone re Rassie. 

Face facts the EGG landed big time on the Rassie bashers. 



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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 10:43
#6
21 Jul 2019, 10:43#6

You do realise I predicted a win, oder ? 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jul 2019, 11:06
#7
21 Jul 2019, 11:06#7

So you never criticized Rassie? 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 11:08
#8
21 Jul 2019, 11:08#8

I criticised several of his selections and the overly simplistic gameplan which was heavily exposed last year. He beat an Aussie side in freefall, we'll see what happens next. NH sides look to be the teams to beat thus far. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 11:42
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21 Jul 2019, 11:42#9

You did not answer a simple question Idiot Speaker - the answer was simple - YES or NO.

Your idea of game plans were exposed again as being total delusion and misrepresentation since you are clueless about the game itself.   Just think how you were caught out again about Du Plessis being outcoached.

If I were you  I would be very careful about what I write since everything you wro te has been exposed already as BS,        

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 16:04
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21 Jul 2019, 16:04#10

I quoted the legendary Ian McGeechan. My thinking is in-line with a legendary coach of the game who was involved in that tour. A tour he won! Thus, it is you who lose! 

You have exposed nothing. You don't ha ve the capacity to expose anything. Shouting "idiot" as loudly as possible, out "louding" everyone else... that doesn't equate to intellectual discourse. You are all emotion at the extent of rational cogent thought. You are too relativistic for honesty. 

As per the question: Yes, we all know the Boks lost 3. I have been analysing those tests and providing detail. You are trying to hide those details because you prefer your own little narrative. Very desperate. The more emotive your posts, the more desperate you are. You sense within yourself the Temple of J-Raz crumbling beneath your feet. Your verbal assaults - swatting of kittens paw - are merely the death throws of mortally wounded animal. Nothing more. So fire away. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jul 2019, 16:07
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21 Jul 2019, 16:07#11
Er......in 2015 we played Oz in Oz......spot the difference.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 16:11
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21 Jul 2019, 16:11#12

Indeed. I pointed out that this was at Suncorp, the Bok's third worst venue. Ever. Yet, if we look at the attacking output, set pieces, they were more similar. The tackling was much better in 2015 though. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 16:14
#13
21 Jul 2019, 16:14#13

So the reason was it was a home game and not a Suncorp game,   What a farce. the point difference4 was big and the reason we had in Meyer a dud coach an not anybody who can really be an international coach.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 16:16
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21 Jul 2019, 16:16#14

So Meyer was a bad coach, but the players you liked had great games. If these players were so great, how'd we lose? Oh, I remember, it was Pollard's fault. Pakie can tell us all, afterall, you slandered the man in the process of smearing Pollard. It's a murky world in the mind of the OOM. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 16:29
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21 Jul 2019, 16:29#15

Pollard was pick ed by Meyer for the 2014 AB test and was then off and on playing for the Springboks.  His game went down fast with the Meyer game plan/   The same happened to Le Roux.   

It was only when Meyer was out and Le Roux playing in England that their games recovered.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 16:34
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21 Jul 2019, 16:34#16

We haven't seen the best of Willie since the Meyer reign, actually. Whether that be the result of Meyer or something else is debatable. I believe the more fluid attacking game of the Meyer game was more conducive to creativity. Hence the more spectacular tries. Rassie's Boks are heavily scripted, and strain for any kind of movement when play breaks down or the opposition hold firm. The big improvement of Saturday's game were the PODs playing much flatter and playing out the back after committing the defence - Beast was immense for his very late but very accurate passing as the head of these units. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 16:46
#17
21 Jul 2019, 16:46#17

Fluent game under Meyer - when did that happen?  Never seen by anybody bar the Idiot Speakers on site.  

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