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The RWC adopts the SA Model

Started by hakwa18 REPLIES282 VIEWS· 18 Sept 2015, 23:30
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
18 Sept 2015, 23:30
#1
18 Sept 2015, 23:30#1
There is an Independent TV replay company that can bring up any video replays at anytime onto the screen whether or not the Ref or the TMO asks for it. Hence Payper disallowing the Fijian half-backs try after initially awarding it.

So we have the Ref, the Touch Judges and TMOs and then we have someone whose identity is annonymous??????????
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Sept 2015, 23:31
#2
18 Sept 2015, 23:31#2
 That you Beeno?
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
18 Sept 2015, 23:34
#3
18 Sept 2015, 23:34#3
 hahahahahaha good one Ceradyne
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Sept 2015, 23:36
#4
18 Sept 2015, 23:36#4
Is this home field advantage?
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
19 Sept 2015, 01:41
#5
19 Sept 2015, 01:41#5
Hakwat, we got justice !
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 02:24
#6
19 Sept 2015, 02:24#6
 Dont know about justice blobby, one eyed bias is what we are concerned about eg ala Ellis Park 2014 Boks win over the ABs
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
19 Sept 2015, 07:24
#7
19 Sept 2015, 07:24#7
 Hak, no kak , he lost the ball . Your lot have been getting away with a helluva lot as the refs get continually seduced by the Fitzpatrick/McCaw  choirboy style approach  .
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2015, 07:54
#8
19 Sept 2015, 07:54#8
 
WOW!!!!!!!

I never thought I'd see the day that Beandip gets outdone in the whinging department.

Ladies and Gentlemen ... we have a new champion ... Hakwa the Poef.

Hope he doesn't have an emotional breakdown!!!
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 09:02
#9
19 Sept 2015, 09:02#9
 An "Independent" TV replay person that can replay any incident over and over on the big screen for the crowds benefit without the ref/touch judges/TMOs asking for it -->I have grave concerns especially if such as a person is NOT neutral to start of with .
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2015, 09:32
#10
19 Sept 2015, 09:32#10
 The issue here is complicated.  In the case of the disallowed try of the Fiji scrummie - the ref was unsighted and it is entirely normal for a try incident to be replayed.  I think the crummie was hard done by - even though he dropped the ball in attempting to score the try - I believe the ball went straight down and not forward - but that is for the TV monitor to decide.   What is clear the scrummie did drop th ball and then touch down.  
There are cases where the referee - when unsighted - can be advised by the TV monitor to check the situation and if Peyper did not clearly see what happened he could be persuaded to look again.   I do not think it is the TV replay of the try that caused the decision not to award the try - remember there is also a panel of independent monitors watching every detail and if Peyper made the mistake in awarding the try, he would have been in hot water.
You refer to the incident in the Ellis Park test last year - but did not refer to another incident in a test in NZ - when McCaw took Louw out of the game by a totally illegal charge at his neck while he was not even in the ruck at that stage - he was out of rugby for 6 months as a result.  In the subsequent move the AB's scored the winning try in that game.  If the situation was reviewed McCaw would have been carded and a penalty awarded against the AB's.
So there is a tendency to be influenced by home crowds in games - and it cuts both ways.   Let me put it mildly - home crowds make the life of referees even more complicated than it already is.  Referees are human and make mistakes - but that is to be expected.  However, the really good referees make less mistakes than the bad ones.  So lets accept that mistakes by referees is possible - and that those mistakes would hopefully not affect the outcomes of games in the RWC.
That being said - I am not sure that Fiji really was strong enough to beat England - they put up a brave battle - but I do think there bench did not match up to requirements and the bottom fell out late in the game.         
          
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2015, 09:52
#11
19 Sept 2015, 09:52#11
 
Either way, Fiji was completely outplayed.

Hakwa it seems wanted the match to be awarded to them because of their skin colour.

That's why he's chosen to bring race into the matter.

Actually winning the match by their own effort was never a requisite in his view. He's a cry baby ... that's all.

A bad loser!!

 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2015, 11:27
#12
19 Sept 2015, 11:27#12
 Not a bad bloke, but it goes to show that it's a myth that all NZ supporters vallues good sportsmanship. Just like the rest of the world. You get the good and the bad. They just get less opportunity to showcase it, as their team normally gets the rub of the green, and it's not like they need it. Being the best for so long seems to have gone to their heads, not leaving much room for thought. Hope we can somehow get a team together that can cut them down to size every so often. 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Sept 2015, 13:23
#13
19 Sept 2015, 13:23#13
 Hakwa was also a vicious campaigner for the cause of declaring Bismarck's tackle on Dan Carter illegal and thuggish........
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2015, 13:59
#14
19 Sept 2015, 13:59#14
 Constant crybaby when anything goes against his precious...
He might be mocking Beenz though.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,281 posts
19 Sept 2015, 14:07
#15
19 Sept 2015, 14:07#15
Sounds like Pdivvy in 2011. It was all part of a conspiracy plan...........
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2015, 14:32
#16
19 Sept 2015, 14:32#16
 Ja, no conspiracy just pure just an idiot bias ref.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2015, 15:16
#17
19 Sept 2015, 15:16#17
 
Very diplomatically put, Draad!!!

I don't have any sympathy for this idiot ... not the way he's carried on against us.

Boot's on the other foot this time round ... kry vir jou!!!!!!!!
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 17:02
#18
19 Sept 2015, 17:02#18
 George Ayoub was at it again - trying desperately to get ref Nigel Owen to penalise a Tongan player for a high/neck tackle while clearing a ruck>>>>>>playing clip after clip after clip of nonsense views - Nigel Owen did the right thing by ignoring him.

Dont know why George Ayoub is even in the RWC

Remember

GEORGE AYOUB has been dumped and Rohan Hoffmann demoted by SANZAR after their controversial performances in last weekend’s match between the Waratahs and Sharks.

As the game’s television match official, Ayoub made two crucial calls, disallowing what appeared a legitimate try by the Sharks’ S’bura Sithole, while awarding a contentious try to NSW winger Taqele Naiyaravoro, helping the Tahs win 33-18.

Those two calls, and Hoffmann’s general performance on the field, have been roundly panned, leading SANZAR’s game manager Lyndon Bray to take action.


We dont idiots like this and Wayne Barnes highlighting useless things and missing obvious ones.

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Sept 2015, 17:26
#19
19 Sept 2015, 17:26#19
 

Remember the purpose of the TMO is to only use when the referee has a serious doubt or has missed a serious incident. Note the word serious. Instead we were treated to two early examples of the TMO checking incidents so trivial in the grand scheme of things that it is a wonder that he did not bring attention to a few socks that had not been pulled up.

The first incident occurred when a pair of Fijian tacklers lifted Jonny May up by one leg. Although he was vertical at one point, May was gently lowered him to the floor. No harm was done and Jaco Peyper, the South African referee, had a perfect view of the incident. He saw nothing wrong in it.


But then the replay went up on the big screen and of course the crowd bayed for blood. Like a Roman Emperor at the colosseum, Veldsman felt that he had to satisfy the mob and signalled the thumbs down. The only saving grace was that he did not give award a yellow card.

The second incident occurred soon after as Api Ratuniyarawa, the Fiji lock, flew into the ruck with minimal use of his arms on Robshaw. Again Peyper had a view of the incident but chose not to act until the voice in his ear piped up. A slew of replays followed, the crowd groaning with boredom on each one.

World Rugby have recently urged officials to clampdown on such behaviour, but if every such clearout was penalised then rucks would cease to exist. As much as those serious cases should be penalised, physicality is an essential part of rugby’s fabric. Are these the type of incidents that the TMO was designed to police? Hardly.

Its main purpose was to check if a try had been scored, although it again took the intervention of the crowd to alert the officials to the fact that Niko Matawalu had failed to ground the ball after his sensational individual score. One replay told everyone in the stadium that. Instead, Veldsman opted for ten all showing exactly the same thing. 

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