Lets hope Meyer is honest with himself and concedes that some of his experiments have flopped. None more so than Fourie at 13 who has left the Boks with no attacking clout out wide.
The team I would select would be:
15. Willie 14. JP 13. JJ 12. Jean 11. Habana 10. Lambie 9. du Preez 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Coenie 4. Etzebeth 5. Flip 6. Kolisi 7. Alberts 8. Vermeulen
16. Strauss 17. Steenkamp 18. Adriaanse 19. Steph du Toit 20. Coetzee 21. Pienaar 22. Goosen 23. Serfontein
Saffex
This moron Ceradyne cannot open his eyes or better still cannot undertand that he constantly makes an as of himself.
I would like to see the above team of yours take the field against the French - but that is highly unlikely to happen. Meyer would not pick Du Toit for the bench - he will persist with today's lock combination. He is likely to play Steyn - despite the good game Lambie had. And obviously Fourie at 13.
Meyer would praise Botha to high heaven for his excellent game today - how physcal he was - because it is expected from forwards to miss tackles. And why should a number 4 lock expect to succeed in line-outs? If he selects Botha again after todays match - he would be as nuts as some of the members of this site are.
Saffex
Don't try and debate anything with the Ceradyne arsewipe. H e knows shit about rugby in any event. Remember it is he who think that French and English club rugby is way above Super 15 and that performance on that level justify players for test selection and that Morne Steyn is the best thing ever to happen to Springbok rugby.
Do you really think that Meyer will not persist with Botha at lock? I think he will despite all the negatives - Meyer always do the impossible and try and get away with it
And then we have Fourie - Fofana will think Christmas came early this year - he will run past Fourie as if he is not there.
Ceradyne
if I have a choice between do-nothing-on-attack and be-beaten-by-speed-in-defence Fourie - I would rather choose Engelbreht than the useless carthorse Fourie - who basically triers to do something - but manage to knock on balls and give away penalties - my choice will be Engelbrecht. At least he knows how to beat a tackle now and again.
As usual, Fourie played “very badly” … but only cause Stupid wants the useless JJ selected.
We saw the "plodding" Jaque Fourie keep pace with Maitland, who is
no slacker … so speed is not an issue as first stated. We saw his defensive
capabilities out match that of “Upright JJ” … keeping the Scots scoreless.
He
had a much better match ... as anticipated. A keeper for the coming WC.
What we reaffirmed this weekend is that DumbMike and Stupid Dave
haven’t the foggiest clue but strangely enough have the most to say. Like banging
on an empty steel drum … lots of noise but no substance.
Week in and week out they end up being made fools of. It's just so damn easy.
Keep up the thumb sucking, Mike ... we've gotten used to this as part of every one of your posts. It wouldn't be the same without it.
Keep hallucinating, Stupid ... we've come to know this as your best quality.
Cleancut
I am not prejudiced - I looked objectively at the game on Saturday and saw nothing of any substance in the performance of Fourie. His tackles were bog ordinary - his ball skills below par and he showed nothing in attack.
What did he show during the game? Give him credit for the tackles made - but is that all we expect from a 13? Look I am the first one who wrote on this site about questions about Englebrecht's defence. I was also pointing out that his technique is not right.
However, from what I have seen in the past two tests - Fourie did nothing to warrant his inclusion in the team. He is perhaps better than Engelbecht in defence - but he has shown zilch in attacking play.
Would rather have a completely different 13 - since there are question marks about both Fourie and Engelbrecht - and hope that Super 15 next year will produce some talent that would be b etter than the present two in the squad.
Cleancut
Please - my latest comments did not mention anything about his speed at all - it referred to other aspects of play of Fourie. Why are you so thick - make counter-arguments plank -- that is a basis for debate. Not personal attacks - will get you nowhere.
Ok - so the ball got kick behind the Scots line and Fourie was already at speed. Maitland had to turn around and start running towards the Scottish try line - as a result lost a few meters on Fourie and caught up with Fourie. No pace running in this case in evidence since the full back was covering the ball in any event - more like a trot - not a gallop. Put them in a race to the ball - where a try is to be scored by Fourie and Maitland had to run to prevent it - I will give over 30 meters Fourie a 3 meter start and Maitland in such a case would beat him by at least 3 meters.
In any event - that is not the issue here - what is is the comments on the 13 position - and don't react like a plank.
We have not played France for some time ...the last time I think at Newlands which we won quite easily but that was some time ago.
This game must be taken as most serious...the one where we are most vulnerable...our record in France is not impressive...the slightest inbalance in the side and we're in trouble...the Les Bleus forwards are tops and their backline is good...Fofana is a potent weapon, Tales and Parra an awesome pair.
Good old Cancer talking rugby again..........bwhaaaaaaaa.........and lying as he goes. Good one Cancer, we saw the game you stupid idiot, Fourie was miles behind Maitland you plank.
Do you think lying will somehow bless you with a whole lot of credibility. Is it possible for you to be any dumber?
Fourie is pathetically slow
Cleancut
Not very clever to compare the speed of Fourie with that of Engelbrecht. Engelbrecht will outpace Fourie by 15 meters in a 50 meter race. Better stick with the defence issue - on the speed issue you are on very shaky ground.
Its the mark of substance.......following one lie with another......Fourie faster than JJ........and let me guess, Bob Marley is performing at the Royal Albert Hall on Saturday?
Keep it coming CANCER CUNT........you are such easy pickings
Mike, please post a link to JJ outpacing Fourie by 15m over 50m...I cant find it on youtube..or are you just summizing that would happen?
I do know JJ is quicker than Fourie but I think you getting a little silly about how slow you think Fourie is. I think you will be surprised.
Fourie is a lot like JP..They dont look fast but you notice how fast they really are when they are chasing someone you believed was super fast. They are just tall, upright runners with high knee action so they look lazy in their gliding action.
Sharkbok
I have seen Fourie and Pieteren played many times - also In England, Scotland, France and Australia - and if there is one thing they are not and that is speedy. Pietersen is a strong runner with ball in hand and he has enough speed to follow up balls like the kick of Le Roux - provided he has a march on opposition players like happened on Satirday.
Fourie was never a speedy player - but like Pieteren a strong runner with ball in hand. Against Wales he seemed completely outpaced by Davies and was slower than he used to be. That is no surprise since he is on the wrong side of 30 as a rugby player. You may respond by pointing to De Villiers and Habana, but speedwise they were always faster than Fourie and as Jean pointed out - he trains harder now then three years ago - merely to ensure that he maintains the same level of fitness than he had three years ago.
Talking about Engelbrecht - I read on a website once that he clocks 10,4 second for 100 meters - which is very quick - but could not find the site when I looked for it again. On the official website they refer to him as fast. I doubt if Fourie Is anywhere near that speed - even with his long strides and high knee action.
Sharkbok
I have seen Fourie and Pieteren played many times - also In England, Scotland, France and Australia - and if there is one thing they are not and that is speedy. Pietersen is a strong runner with ball in hand and he has enough speed to follow up balls like the kick of Le Roux - provided he has a march on opposition players like happened on Satirday.
Fourie was never a speedy player..........................
Ceradyne
I watched your try of the year for 2012 video which you posted. Balls - Fourie never played for the Springboks in 2012 - neither did they play Wales in 2012. It is probably a game played in 2008 or before - because it looks to me like it was Monty that made the kick followed up by Fourie.
So get your facts straight - we are talking of 2013 - not 2008 - sheister. I do not know who the opposition was and frankly do not care. And Fourie was slow as a carthorse against Wales and no faster against Scotland.
Ceradyne
I think you are referring to the Barrett try - where Morne slapped Barrett on his back wishing him well on his way to score a try instead of making a half-decent attempt to tackle him..
I accept that Engelbrecht is partly to blame for that try - but Morne is also partly to blame and he made so many fuck ups before then leading to two tries for the AB's, as a result of which that try became a crucial one.
