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The simpleton 's way of looking at rugby

Started by clevermike10 REPLIES383 VIEWS· 20 Nov 2014, 10:32
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Nov 2014, 10:32
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20 Nov 2014, 10:32#1

We so often find that on this site at least there is a way in dealing with rugby issues in the simpleton manner.  Lets look at a few examples of what I regard as the simpleton.s way of dealing with rugby issues.


The flyhalf debate


For years we have been bombarded by some members about how ireplaceable Morne Steyn is as our flyhalf.   When asked why - the normal answer was his goalkicking abilities.   There is no way that he was assessed as being a competent all-round flyhalf. Whenever his reading of games and decisionmaking was queried - like happened at the Ellis Park test last year in the case of the try at half-time - there is no answer given and we get flooded by other arguments.   

Another problem with Morne recntly was his poor defense - but that was not recognized either by some members.   They rather tried to find reasons why he missed tackles so ferequently and crucial ones at that.


Then there is the Francois  Steyn issue.   Here the argument was that he can kick at goal and he has the huge physique that theoretically make him a daunting figure on the field of play.   Yet Francois has been found to have sub-par decisionmaking abiities and his passing game was iffy - if not downright poor and his kicking out of hand game often enough inaccurate.   His defnse was ta best also iffy.  


In both cases the arguments of some members were basically because they are goalkickers - while every other aspect of play was ignored.


The Victor Matfield Issue


Here we have a case where the members only concentrate on his line outs ability and point out that he is the top line out jumper in the world - without really proving that what they write about is true.   When pointed out that his line-out work is nothing  exceptional - back came the anwer to the effect that his mere presence disrupt the line out play of the opposition.  Is that really so - what evidence is there to support the argument?


The second positive according to his supporters is that he is good in defense.   His tackling stats shows that he makes enough tackles - but does no reflect the quality of the tackles made by him as well as the scenario about tackles he missed.


So here we have a case where the Matfield adherents again look at only two aspects - his line out work and tackling stats.   For the rest they do not look into the role of him as a lock in Tight 5 play, the grunt - or lack of it - displayed by h im or his inability to carry balls in traffic.   


Again a simplistic approach - without regard to wider consequnces.  


The Willem Alberts Saga


Here we have the case of Albert's allege "Mighty Ball Carries" and "Bone-crushing tackles".    Fac is that Albert's gfamous carries has ceased years ago and is noadays a pipe dream without substance - with average meter gains of circa 1 meter per carry.   The quality ifhis tackles are not evaluated at all.   They in fact range from good to poor - when an objective  assessment of those are made.   The low tackle count and crucial missed tackles are ignored - fact is the deficiency insofar as low work rate of the player is ignored as well.  


When his inability in ball handling and ball protection and recovery in breakdown situation are raised - back came the unsubstantiated "Mighty Ball Carrier"  and "Bonecrushies" statements.


Summary


The above are only a few examples of the simpleton approach to player perormance evaluation.  There are similar examples that can be quoted.


Fact is that only a few members in fact look at all aspects of performance of a players.   For the rest especially some memebers pick what they regard as positives and make unsubstantiated statements to support their arguments - while denigrating all players they regard as being a threat to their favourites.      

 

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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
20 Nov 2014, 10:42
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20 Nov 2014, 10:42#2

As far as the two Steyns go, I agree. 


As far as Matfield goes, many argues about his ability in the line out. Yes he calls the line outs and therefor takes the most balls.


It is when you analyse his defensive line out work where it gets interesting.


During the RC we stole 7 line outs, Matfield only two and Eben 5.


During this tour he has stolen no line outs vs Vermeulen, Mohoje and Etzebeth who all did.


As far as Alberts is concerned. I am not sure he remotely falls in the same category, since his shoulder injury in 2012 he has struggled in the contact zones, this longterm injury lay off might just be what he needed to get his form back.


Other teams fear his physicality, that's a fact

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WardadPro6,663 posts
20 Nov 2014, 10:42
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20 Nov 2014, 10:42#3
 Mikey , I thought yer title referred to your autobiography !
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,293 posts
20 Nov 2014, 10:56
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20 Nov 2014, 10:56#4
Mike made a good entertaining post, then I burst out laughing reading Wardad; s comment!!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Nov 2014, 12:27
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20 Nov 2014, 12:27#5
 Wardad


I'll get you for that - and after I always am objective - even ibn the case of NZ rugby players.   
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
20 Nov 2014, 12:52
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20 Nov 2014, 12:52#6
I have posed many questions to Michael, pressing him for details on the biased tripe he writes. He can never respond with anything other than personal attacks. Why? He doesn't know anything technical, certainly not enough to understand what is happening on the field. We once discussed - well it wasn't actually a discussion, though God knows I tried to have one - a simple move in a game where Burger and another forward (may have been Bekker) executed a simple switch pass to score a try against New Zealand. The self-titled genius couldn't understand what it was, and labelled me an idiot for pointing it out. He pretends to understand what back-line play is, but doesn't know the most basic running structures, simple 2 and 3 man plays and how teams like Australia put together entire sequences of plays or what defensive systems are. He couldn't define what depth and alignment where in one of his many gaffs on Morné. He attempted to refute the fact that the 10 and 12 are important combinations in playing a flatter attacking style. He called me an idiot for describing what the flat attack attempts to do and where it is applicable. When posting video evidence to expose many of his lies he told me verbatim, "It is a wild fabrication of the truth. Stick to the stats, for that is where you cannot be faulted". Yet he recently turned his nose up to these stats! It is truly unbelievable the lengths he will go to peddle a lie. 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
20 Nov 2014, 13:08
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20 Nov 2014, 13:08#7
Nothing you've said surprises me, Lestat.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Nov 2014, 13:10
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20 Nov 2014, 13:10#8
 Letsallbemorons
I understand the game of rugby - and II look at whatplayers produced in their all-round performances.   It is simpletons like you who came up with utter rot all the time.   You name a couple of examples and then claimed that I did not appreciate it - so lets look at it:-
*   The Burger-Bekker incident definitely did not involve me in any way - it is dreamt up by yourself since the discussions you alleged never took place.
*   Morne's alleged gaffs on my part are in your insipid and stupid mind aonly.   Morne on attack was an extremely rare commodity and  his foul ups numerous and most members do agree with me on that one.   
The lengths to which you go to justify your stanc on Morne Steyn is unbelievable - it is based on manufactured idiocies and that is a fact.   Like I said no understanding of the game of rugby.
This thread deals virtually entirely with what is written by the Board residents morons and you are no doubt one pof those.   
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Nov 2014, 15:56
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20 Nov 2014, 15:56#9
My my....the OOm has put his false teeth in this morning and is playing the attack dog.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Nov 2014, 16:14
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20 Nov 2014, 16:14#10
 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Nov 2014, 19:09
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20 Nov 2014, 19:09#11
 Mike, did you know Altcar before joining this site?
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