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The Sprimngbok squad for the EOYT

Started by clevermike15 REPLIES307 VIEWS· 10 Oct 2013, 08:42
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Oct 2013, 08:42
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10 Oct 2013, 08:42#1

2012 EOYT Squad

 

Normally  - at least last year - the squad consisted of 32 players.  Meyer last year included players from NH Clubs in the tour group - who was not part of the RC squad - Steenkamp being an example.

 

He also made a real mess of certain positions and ended having some real problems in respect of the props (with Van der Linde being one) and center, with Taute, De Jongh and Mapoe in the mix.   The result was that he had to call up other NH Club players (Van der Merwe and Brits) and had to play Taute and De Jongh at center - where both failed miserably.   Afterwards he had to call up Malherbe as a prop.   About a third of the players were passengers who never played.

 

Basically - although the Springboks won all three tests - the results were all close and could have gone either way - basically because of selection mistakes Meyer himself admitted afterwards.  

 

Hopefully he is not going to make the same mistakes this year.   However, Meyer has absolute loyalty to certain players - he will never change them even when failing repeatedly.  

 

2013 Squad 

 

Bearing in mind the atrosious performances of some players - especially in defence one can only hope that he leaves out some players - but it is unlikely to happen.   I am putting them in the squad - but am highlighting them and hope Meyer will forget them for the Tour, since there is no real merit in ontinueing with them in teams in future.

 

BACKLINE :  15 PLAYERS

 

Full Backs  -   Zane Kirchner, Pat Lambie,  SP Marais

 

Wings         -   Bryan Habana, Willie le Roux, Lwasi Mvovo 

 

Centers       -   Jean De Villiers, JJ Engelbrecht, Jan Serfontein. Juan de Jongh

 

Flyhalfs       -   Morne Steyn, Johan Goosen,

 

Scrummies   -  Ruan Pienaar,  Piet van Zyl, Louis Schreuder

 

 

FORWARDS  -  17 PLAYERS

 

No 8           -    Duane Vermeulen, Willem Alberts

 

Flanks        -    Pieter Labuschagne, Marcel Coetzee, Francois Louw, Siya Kolisi

 

Locks          -   Pieter-Steph du Toit, Juandre Kruger, Eben Etzebeth, Flip van der Merwe

 

Props         -    Jannie du Plessis, Frans Malherbe, Coenie Oosthuizen, Tendai Mtawarire, Trevor Nyakane

 

Hookers    -     Bismarck du Plessis, Adriaan Strauss, Chilliboi Rallepele

 

HIGHLIGHTED PLAYERS

 

Those are the players that should to my mind be changed.   I would much rather select the following players in their place:-

 

Zane Kirchner   -   Marnitz Boshoff

 

Juan de Jongh   -   Damien de Allende

 

Morne Steyn      -   Dmitri Catrakillis

 

Willem Alberts   -   Rynhardt Elstadt

 

Juandre Kruger  -   Lodewyk de Jager

 

Jannie du Plessis -  Steven Kitshoff 

 

In the flyhalf case I would definitely start with Lambie and have Goosen, Catrakillis and Botshoff as back up - both very good flyhalfs.   Boshoof is a good full back as well - so he can provide cover in that position.

 

The loosies will be an improvement based on proven performances.   Players like Goosen, Labuschagne and Malherbe have been in Meyer's squads before - so he is likely to include them in any event.

 

In view of BEE - Meyer is likely to retain Kirc hner an De Jongh - but there is really no merit in selecting them.

 

 

 

 

 

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dan danRookie46 posts
11 Oct 2013, 00:30
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11 Oct 2013, 00:30#2
 I agree with your changes, there are definetely a few players that need to be discarded eg. Kruger, Jannie and Kirchner. I would like to see Deon Fourie given a chance to proven himself at test level as he has more then proved it in super rugby and the currie cup.Players like Flip and Kruger must make way for the new generation second rowers like Du Toit  and De Jager. Our scrrumhalf position is a big worry as Pienar doest quite cut it and schreuder is no where near test quality,maybe we should give a chance to Sarel or Kockot or Van zyl aven Reinach will do better then those two.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Oct 2013, 00:40
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11 Oct 2013, 00:40#3
Visser is better than Boshoff at 15 and so is Andries Coetzee for that matter.

Jantjies is better than Catrakills

Pienaar has to go as well...........bring Reinach in 

I'd also have Paul Willemse ahead of Flip
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Oct 2013, 00:57
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11 Oct 2013, 00:57#4

Dan dan and Saffex

 

I do agree with some of your suggestions.  Maybe as a BEE case - Meyer should bring in Jantjoes and forget about Kirchner and De Jongh -- provided he is not anywhere near the team itself.

 

I could love with Paul Willemse as well provided they take three weeks and tell him clearly for what red and yellow cards are issued.  He has a disciplinary problem and that needs to be sorted out. 

 

The scrummie position remains a problem - I like Reinach a lot - but as you can see I think Schreuder has improved markedly this year.     

 

Lets wait and see what Meyer comes up with next week - the squad is likely to be announced on semi-finals day as was the case last year.

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Oct 2013, 01:01
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11 Oct 2013, 01:01#5
 Er didn't we just dominate the AB scrum...and when we took Jannie off, didn't that dominance cease. One plus one.....right it's two.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Oct 2013, 01:12
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11 Oct 2013, 01:12#6
 Ja Jannie still has a little more to offer...........Jannie stays
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Oct 2013, 01:29
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11 Oct 2013, 01:29#7
Well that's a relief,  at least unlike Dom Maaik you aren' t suggesting  Kitshoff should replace Jannie ...wehe!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Oct 2013, 01:48
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11 Oct 2013, 01:48#8
Kitshoff has to go on tour, he has been great this year, he has to replace fat Steenkamp
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Oct 2013, 03:42
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11 Oct 2013, 03:42#9
It's probably about time to give Kitshoff his start in test rugby. I think he and Stephanie will probably be in the Match 23 at the RWC. That said "fat" Steenkamp actually had a pretty decent test against the ABs. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Oct 2013, 04:44
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11 Oct 2013, 04:44#10

Mozart

 

How did Steenkamp have a "decent game"  -  He was scrumming when the AB's had 7 forwards in the game.  If he could not stand up in that situation he would have been as useless as he otherwise is.  

 

When will you ever stop punting "over the hill" players? 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Oct 2013, 05:36
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11 Oct 2013, 05:36#11
The scrumming issues were more on Coenie's side....open your eyes man. Gurthro got decent ratings from all the sites
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dan danRookie46 posts
11 Oct 2013, 10:07
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11 Oct 2013, 10:07#12
 Catrakilis is way better then Jantjies!Katrikilis is very solid on defence,can kick w ell and puts the backline away just fine. Very interested tosee how Goosen progresses. Kitshoff does deserve a chance,in for Guthro,jannie can stay but we cnt have too hasbeens!Paul Willemse is too one dimensional all he does is try and run through or over players,he has the agility of an elephant.
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
11 Oct 2013, 10:58
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11 Oct 2013, 10:58#13
I assume Fouorie Du Preez is not on the team sheet due to his commitments in Japan? If that is not the case, then he should be the number one choice.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Oct 2013, 11:24
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11 Oct 2013, 11:24#14

Bluebok

 

Du Preez is only available for the odd test now and again  and I think that he Is not available in November - which is while the Japanese season is in full swing. 

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
11 Oct 2013, 12:17
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11 Oct 2013, 12:17#15

I see. Thanks Mike.

 

Kirchner needs to go, I always said that he was adequate, even though not special, but now he is not even adequate. I reckon that Lambie should specialise at fullback, and try to make that position his own, because he is just warming the bench for the Sharks and the Boks. If it carries on like this he will surely leave SA. I am basing what I have said above more on the opinions of the majority of posters here than my own, because I am still not 100% sold on Lambie, but having said that, we do have a bit of a gap in tallent at 15.

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
11 Oct 2013, 13:52
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11 Oct 2013, 13:52#16
 I would like to see more of Du Toit
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