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The state of our test side

Started by Saffolk 5 REPLIES259 VIEWS· 16 Sept 2016, 13:29
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Sept 2016, 13:29
#1
16 Sept 2016, 13:29#1
 

Why the AB system works is because the transition from provincial to test rugby is seamless in terms of style of play. Players move into the test arena confident in what is expected of them, knowing exactly what game plan, pattern of play is the order of the day. It’s all familiar to them as its pretty much what they are doing with their franchises for months on end in the Super and domestic leagues.

 

A national coach only has his players for a few weeks of the year and given this very fact, you cannot possibly change the way they are used to playing when playing for their provinces. Expecting them to change is a recipe for disaster, which is exactly what we are witnessing with the Boks. There is no uniformity in how our provincial sides play, most seem to be advocating the need to be more expansive but that involves a change in mindset and instinct which takes time to evolve and implement effectively. When these players then find themselves under Coetzee, there is a step back towards the conservative percentage approach, which is affecting the Lions players more than others for they are the one group who are at home with the expansive approach. Indecision and lack of confidence is the order of the day. This in turn is perpetuated by the losses week after week. The pressure builds and the side unravels further. The saddest product of this will be the discarding of players like Jantjies, Jaco Kriel etc who have proved at the Lions they have what it takes to achieve results. The biggest issue with Bok rugby right now is the massive divide between how the game is played at Super vs test level. There is no seamless transition…….its like T20 players expected to play test cricket after playing T20 all season.

 

The obvious solution for the Boks post Meyer was to agree amongst the Super 18 and CC coaches the most effective way to play the game, which is clearly the Lions/Kiwi way and to select the best coaches to implement this way which obviously is Ackerman and Swys. With that their main responsibility given the lack of quality time national coaches have with their teams is for them to get the selections right. Patterns of play and structures need to be engrained at provincial level with the test players seamlessly making the transition with confidence when playing tests.

 

Coetzee fails miserably when it comes to selections and he is yet to work out how to play the game……it’s a double edged sword. He either needs to go or he needs to demand that he be given the best support staff available. The first person he needs to bring on board is Swys de Bruin, the brains behind the Lions evolution. He currently has nobody Stick as his attack coach and equally nobody Roux as his defensive coach……it’s a joke.

3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
16 Sept 2016, 14:10
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16 Sept 2016, 14:10#2
 Your trying to play like NZ, and Eng too much. Your right NZ rugby from Club Lvl to Test, is seamless. Everyone is on the same page. I think Coetzee is trying to make the Boks play like the Lions. Expansive. Problem is they are getting no go forward ball over the advantage line. Watching the aussie game. At times Boks were too lateral, so when they passed side to side. Aussie could easily pick them off, and just tackle them. Putting them self under too much pressure. What they need to do, is play off their Set Pieces. OFf their lineout mauls, their big men going straight. Use their kick and chase. Then what you saw with that one try, they can find some space. ATM Boks are not doing that. i expect tommoros game, to be tight. But abs to run away with it in the last 30,, and win by 20 points. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Sept 2016, 18:18
#3
16 Sept 2016, 18:18#3
3k I cant begin to understand how you can conclude that the Boks are playing the Lions way.......you are so wrong, they are playing anything but the Lions way......they are playing the Coetzee way which is the conservative way......under Coetzee they were stupid enough to kick on Folau, the best exponent of the high ball....it was plain stupidity.
If they do that tomorrow, the AB's will slaughter them with their click attacks....they wait for clicks to launch......kicking on them is a click as is a turnover 
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
17 Sept 2016, 07:57
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17 Sept 2016, 07:57#4
Just my opinion go forward, kick chase is your game. And well nullify the kiwis game. Fine you disagree, just my opinion. 
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
17 Sept 2016, 08:50
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17 Sept 2016, 08:50#5
 The Kiwis have their system in place and it's worked for them over the years.
We have always had a mix of skills coming from the different franchises and it's exactly that that's made us so special. It helped us dominate the All Blacks and most other nations prior to our so called "democracy" ...    
That's our style. Let's keep it. 
Adopting the Lions way of rugby isn't an overnight thing ... it's something you grow over a period of time. It will never work if the other franchises haven't already bought into it ... not with our national coach only seeing the boys two weeks before each test season.    
Our problem doesn't lie at the feet of talentless or skill-less players as some think but rather with an ignorant and clueless coach who doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
Replacing him with a Jones type will automatically rid us of his stupidity and everything else will fall into place.
A simple example ... do you in your right mind think that Jones would ever have selected De Jongh? How about Mohoje? Jantjies? Louw? Paige? Strauss? Goosen?
Do you think that he would have had Janse van Rensburg in the mix? How about Marx? Jaco Kriel? Willemse? 
Need I say more?




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Sept 2016, 11:27
#6
17 Sept 2016, 11:27#6
 It's a complete mess with a total incompetent in charge. 
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