CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2014, 21:40#2
Mozart
I always enjoy your posts - and cannot help laughing when I read it - because some comments are so utterly predictable and comical.
First of all the center story. Still stuck like a broken needle on the attack-deficient Jaque Fourie = reasonably good defender when players do not run around him like Davies did in the Welsh test. He was lucky having the equally slow Basteraud to contend with in the French test - snail against snail - not much of a contest. In attack he was utterly useless. Anyway he came back from Japan - has not played for three months - said nothing about any injury when interviewed and now suddenly has an ankle injury. Must have slipped when trying to run - the poor guy.
Morne - Morne - Morne. "The rest are no advance on Morne". What advance are you talking of. He was found seriously wanting by Stade Francais and should never have been in the Springbok team in any event. Incidentally the last I saw if Morne playing - Morne came on minute 74 when Stade Francais was way ahead with a potential bonus point win according to the French system, Morne did his standard - he made a totally aimless kick and the opposing team scored a try in the final two minutes of the game as a result of that kick. Gone is the bonus point. That is Morne and that is why they played him in very small doses this year. What makes him suitable for the Springbok team - he had the minimum of games time this year.
Victor can force his way in? That is hardly possible. Victor cannot force anything anymore - he is to weak to do anything forceful. He is of consequence in tight phases of the game in any event.
I am in sympathy with the idea of Schalk being included - he understands loosie play - but Schalk's record this year leaves me with serious doubts. He plays two games and then has two games off due to injury - that happens time and again.
Who of the overseas club players will make a difference? definitely not Kirchner, Morne, Bakkies and that lot. They are past it. I would say that the list is limited - Louw, Habana and possibly Du Preez - playing in Japan weakens players all the time and Du Preez had some serious question marks in the CR tests last year - he was insignificant and in some respects below par. The rest bar perhaps Cockott will be no improvement on the local players.
The team would improve if the get rid of the passengers and slow paced players and thinkers. Kick out Fourie, Morne, Pienaar and Alberts and it would already be a vast improvement.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 May 2014, 21:47#3
Well fortunately the national coach tends to be more aligned with my views than yours....so let's see your team....I guess it would be:
TauteMvovoDe AllendeJean HabanaLambieReinachBeast BismarckEtzebethStephanLabuschagneBrussouwVermeulen
That's a sweet team of little chaps who run around quite nicely, but would be crushed by the starters you left out. Thankfully HM understands power rugby...Springbok style.
MDMonkey D Luffy
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MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 May 2014, 22:00#9
that teams good enough for most NH teams, but u would be playing with fire if u went to battle with that two bit mob in the knock out stages of the RWC.
fourie looked fat slow and uncordinated, jj has more attacking nous in his eyelashes, then the modern day fourieous pie eater ever will.
jokes that make everyone but Bok fans laugh,,,
morne stain
jacque fourie
ruaan pienaar
guntro steenkamp
bakkies botha
francois louw
players that can easily be replaced by better current players
JDV
wilhelm alberts
jp pieterson
jano vermark
if the Boks were my number one team, i would be so worried about the direction meyer has been taking the Boks.
but then again, if the Boks were my number one team, i would prob be use to always being second, nah jk, i think theres a percent or two where the Boks were number 1,,,
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 May 2014, 22:09#10
Haha....JJ has more rugby nous with his 4 tries in 12 tests...than Fury has with his 32 tries in 72 tests?
That may be the stupidest thing you have ever said Sushi and man you have said a lot of stupid things. I like the eyelashes analogy though.
MDMonkey D Luffy
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MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 May 2014, 22:42#11
@mozter,
"Haha....JJ has more rugby nous with his 4 tries in 12 tests...than Fury has with his 32 tries in 72 tests?"
hence me saying,,, "the modern day fourieous pie eater ever will."
but hey, ultimatley i want what u want, for fourie to grace the No13 jersey especially against the All Blacks, cos it will make our already easy job of winning that much easier,
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 May 2014, 23:06#12
What you chaps are appropriately afeared of is not JJ trying to run the ball, Ellis Park settled that argument....it's the Boks selecting the toughest pack we can, a kicker that makes his kicks and a hard tackling backline. Get that right and we will deconstruct the whole AB model.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2014, 23:18#13
Mozart
The argument is not settled. That tem that you cooked up is far removed from the team I would pick. I would not pick Taute at full back. I would not pick Lambie at flyhalf. I would definitely not pick Stephan at lock and you left out the tight head.
Then your argument is about the issue about that second Messam try at Ellis Park. You said that Engelbrecht fouled up. However, the real foul up was with Morne. He was told in advance that he must not kick balls away after turnovers - so the robot passed the ball with seconds to go before halftime within his own 22. The bugger up was Morne's - not anybody elses.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2014, 23:44#15
Mozart
Your memory are slipping badly. Morne was not involved in the Habana tries. The break in the one case was made by Louw - in the other case by Vermeulen.
The robot was Morne and the cover you try to make is idiotic. He was clear and had ample opportunity to kick.
Nobody wants to consistently play wide open rugby - but anybody who wants to see the Springboks only playing 10 men rugby is nuts. Variation is required - but to have that variation you have to have a thinking flyhalf - not a Steyn robot.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 May 2014, 23:57#16
Wrong again you stupid, stupid man. All three moves started from almost exactly the same point on field with Morne making the choice to run....in one instance he skip passed to Vermeulen who made the break.....next time to Louw who made a brilliant round the back pass....the third time to JDV, who passed to JJ. JJ unlike the loosies didn't try to link he tried to beat tackles and run through two ABs. He failed, never held his feet and got isolated.
Morne gets zero blame for that.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2014, 00:09#17
Morne gets all the blame for that - ask Naas Botha about that one. And the passes to Vermeulen and Louw did not come from Morne - it came from Du Preez.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2014, 00:10#18
Morne gets all the blame for that - ask Naas Botha about that one. And the passes to Vermeulen and Louw did not come from Morne - it came from Du Preez.
By the way both Habana tries orig inated from the area between the 22 and the half way line - not from inside the 22.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2014, 00:23#21
Blikkes
Sorry = but Fiourie is not available (thank goodness). Bakkies Botha??????? Lambie is apparently not available either for the June tests.
Steyn and De Jongh would defensively be a sieve if they play at center. They have the worst tackle record in Super 15 - I shiver to think what it would be in tests.
20 May 2014, 00:55#22
Awesome back row Blikkies.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 May 2014, 01:00#23
Yes I like that one too....basically our RWC11 back row with Vermuelen in for the poser Spies.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2014, 01:07#24
Blikkies
I have no real problem about the back row - but I think Burger is injury prone - he has been out of a number of games this year with injuries and takes time to recover. A bit worried about that.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 May 2014, 01:41#26
Spot on Sas.......JJ is twice the 13 Fourie is now.......and that side that played against France would get slaughtered by Oz and NZ.
In the backs........Jean, Fourie, Morne and Pienaar have to go.......Serfontein/Frans, JJ, Goosen and Hougaard are far better options........with only old man Jean being able to challenge. I'd take it a step further and say de Allende should play ahead of Habana......so in effect I would change most the backline......to a younger fresher look with zip, instead of a bunch of washed up hasbeens.
In the forwards.....the only tightforward change that needs to be made is Lood or Jacques du Plessis for Flip........Flip is good, but these youngsters are better.
Louw is no match for Brussouw......easy pick there.
Of the bench, Steenkamp, Adriaanse, Bakkies and Vermaak must go.......there are far better options in Nkanyane, Kitshoff, Malherbe, Marcel v/d Merwe, Willemse, Lood, du Plessis, de Klerk, Reinach, Groom.........
That test side against France sold us short in a big big way, especially the backline and bench
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 May 2014, 01:56#27
Yep but we won the test in spite of you and Mike predicting we wouldn't. Galling isn't it?
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 May 2014, 02:12#28
The French are not Oz and NZ.......that Boks side against these two would get hammered. The French are falling well short themselves.......geez Ireland won the 6 Nations and lets face it, Ireland is littered with many old farts past their prime.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 May 2014, 06:40#29
Pretty much the same side, probably weaker with players like Juandre Kruger, hammered oz twice last year. So you have got tied up in your own little world again. We have a damn good core Bok team with a few opportunities to upgrade. One has already been achieved by dropping Kirchner...a big former favorite of yours ..and of hasBeen's.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2014, 11:33#30
Mozart
We cannot stick with under-par players and hope to make progress. Stade Francais would NOT start with Steyn and the question is why? Is it not that they gave found out that he cannot play a varied game and that he cannot read games and decide to vary play accordingly?
Morne is a bench player for his club - what makes him indispensable for the Springbok team? If you can explain away that one we will understand where you come from in this case.
And trying to justify Morne's foul up at Ellis Park the way you did is really a joke. He did bugger up badly and people like Naas pointed it out clearly. He cannot read games and is clueless - end of story.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 May 2014, 18:07#32
Mike you bloody liar....you said Morne never made passes in the Habana try movements. Then when proven wrong you go back to your hackneyed attacks on the man.....but you don't admit your mistake. What's wrong with you....do you honestly think your M.O. is fooling anybody.