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The two Late All Black tries....dispelling the myths

Started by Mozart14 REPLIES165 VIEWS· 06 Oct 2014, 23:23
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Oct 2014, 23:23
#1
06 Oct 2014, 23:23#1

The try scored by Ben Smith started with an AB take by Messam at the front of the lineout.....good quick ball. Fekitoa dummy ran right onto Lambie and the ball was passed wide to Smith.


At this stage Lambie and Jean were aligned. But Step hesitated, forming a bubble in the Bok line. That bubble is what Smith attacked, beating Jean on the inside and Steppie on the outside. Smiths pass set Ben Smith free, and he stepped the cover defence. It was a simple move made dangerous because tackles were not made and we failed to maintain a straight defensive line. Jean did not rush out of line....he was aligned with Lambie, if anything he was outside Smith, our standard practice. But the inside tacklers have to react.



The try by Coles came from an AB lineout win off our ball in the 22. Some suggest Matfield was out jumped, but was this true? Bakkies faked rather ineffectively at the front, but the  Whitelock pod held steady and timed the jump brilliantly. Whitelock got high in front of Matfield who is clearly behind the NZ lock and a fraction later into the air.



In the end there is no chance for Matfield, the ball fails to clear Whitelock. He is high enough, but the ball simply doesn't reach him.  


But the jump call is made by Matfield, so his timing should be the timing of the throw. It was probably thrown a fraction early and definitely short.


The ball is routinely passed by the ABs but Fekitoa ( I think) cuts inside again directly onto Lambie who makes a good tackle. But Step  and Jean are stranded further down the line on the blindside of the ruck....Lambie joins this side as well. This leaves a weak open side with no Bok back defenders. Simple passing cashes in the overlap.



So if defensive alignment and poor tackling caused the first try....what about the second. A lost lineout ball, no slowing of the ball at the ruck and again, poor defensive alignment were the culprits.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Oct 2014, 23:50
#2
06 Oct 2014, 23:50#2
 Jeans 10 missed tackles in the RC and his blunder rushes explains enough when in comes to exposing a liability in the side.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Oct 2014, 23:53
#3
06 Oct 2014, 23:53#3
There was no rush in these tries....there was in the first try by Fekitoa, but there was a clear multiple overlap....no rush, a try for sure. No woma n no cry.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Oct 2014, 23:55
#4
06 Oct 2014, 23:55#4
 There w as a rush by Jean
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2014, 00:01
#5
07 Oct 2014, 00:01#5
There was not....there was a fade by Steppie.....Jean was exactly aligned with Lambie. Steppie fatally hesitated.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Oct 2014, 00:11
#6
07 Oct 2014, 00:11#6
 Absolute bullshit Jean rushed twice leading to two tries. Pakie demonstrated these perfectly.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2014, 00:23
#7
07 Oct 2014, 00:23#7
He may have been wide, as Pakie also asserted, but he was not deep. He was no deeper than Lambie, which is actually visible in Pakie's shot. Step stopped at the crucial point leaving a nice pocket to attack. The standard Bok defence has been 13 coming up, for years. Fury did it every time. It restricts space and makes the pass difficult. But the inside backs cant hesitate....Step did.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2014, 00:29
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07 Oct 2014, 00:29#8

 

 

Note how much deeper Step is than Lambie who is behind Fekitoa and has already turned. Jean and Lambie were in perfect alignment....Steppie is two paces back....the pocket Smith attacked is clearly visible

 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Oct 2014, 00:32
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07 Oct 2014, 00:32#9
Oh what rubbish if you rush as Jean did you have to snuff out the threat for in the act of rushing you break the defensive line and throw the remaining defenders defensive structure.
Breaking the defensive line creates uncertainty and often throws the remaining defenders off balance given their need to readjust. They are seldom left in a position to effect a conventional tackle. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Oct 2014, 00:34
#10
07 Oct 2014, 00:34#10
 The pocket created by Jeans rush
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2014, 00:42
#11
07 Oct 2014, 00:42#11

The closed mind in operation again. Jean never rushed he continued moving forward on a line with Lambie and Habana. Before the Fekitoa cut, Steppie was aligned with them. With that move he got confused and stopped moving forward....Jean and Lambie both moved forward cautiously. Hell even Habana  who has stopped is deeper. Nobody rushed. The still with Jean diving back makes it seem that way but the video dispells that.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Oct 2014, 01:04
#12
07 Oct 2014, 01:04#12
 Oh what bullshit just checked both passages of play again and Jean DOES rush.......no debate
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2014, 02:16
#13
07 Oct 2014, 02:16#13
No debate....that's what you would prefer Vetsak. But there is a debate. Not on the first try, Jean rushed, presumably because of the overlap. But if you look at Pakie's picture of the Smith try, all three of Lambie, Jean and Habana are ahead of Steppie. Why?
Pakie is a professional in motion analysis, so I'd like to hear his views after another look. Unlike you, he invited other opinions....the mark of an educated man.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Oct 2014, 04:48
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07 Oct 2014, 04:48#14
 The issue here is funny.   the first try was scored after a very clever attacking move by Savea and there is no fingers to be pointed here - Savea inititated the attack and Pollard and Le Roux prevented a try being scored.   
The scecond try wa by Ben Smith - and there is clear evidence that Jean rushed out of line and caused a gap in the defensive line of the Springboks.    The first fault was Jean's problem an old deficiency of his - so somebody else must be blamed and true to Mozart's normal animosities - the blame falls on Serfontein.   This is not the first time that BS is spread by Mozart on this site - so lets accept it - his explanation is crap.
The third try resulted from Matfield being beate in the line-out throw in by Strauss.   The first time Mozart said matfield went high and the throw-in was short - an utter falsehood to guard against potential criticism of Matfield.   The real BS was exposed though.   
Another time when Jean rushed up and Conrad Smith broke through.   There was no try scored because Willie intercepted a pss from Conrad Smith to Ben Smith.    
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Oct 2014, 05:59
#15
07 Oct 2014, 05:59#15
Proof OOm, where's the proof. Saying doesn't make it so, particularly in your case.  
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