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The Under 20 World Cup - South Africa wins BIG

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jun 2014, 08:39
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02 Jun 2014, 08:39#1

SA beat Scotland 61-5 in their first match.  It was however not smooth sailing and the Scots scored the first try in the match.   There were some problems in the line outs, but the defense was top class.   At half time the score was 14-5


However, thereafter the flood gates opened and 7 tries came in quick succession.   


The outstanding players were Greeff - 3 tries scored - and Pollard.   


We will now have to wait and see how NZ does in their first game.  The big fight will be between SA and New Zealand on Friday/        


  

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Jun 2014, 10:34
#2
02 Jun 2014, 10:34#2
 
Mike, you were bitching how no one wants to partake in this competitions superbru yet the few of us that did join your pool are still waiting for your approval ... how come ??
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jun 2014, 12:36
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02 Jun 2014, 12:36#3
 Cleancut
Sasue started a pool on this one so I cancelled my pool and join his.  As long as yoi have made predictions you can still join his pool and you points will be included under his pool.  Very sorry about this one - but it was due to a misunderstanding.     


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becsPro4,378 posts
02 Jun 2014, 14:40
#4
02 Jun 2014, 14:40#4
 England won " big " too, Mike......
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jun 2014, 17:09
#5
02 Jun 2014, 17:09#5
becs 
I could not watch all the teams since they were on different channels on Supersport.  Si II had to watch three games only - namely the Australia, Suth Africa and All Black games.  

I dealt with all the sides under a different thread.   Have a look where I discussed the Round 1 results.   I think it will be between England and Australia who top the log in their pool.
   
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becsPro4,378 posts
02 Jun 2014, 21:57
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02 Jun 2014, 21:57#6
 I was being cheeky, Mike

We had a good win against Italy....I am in a Superbru Pool too....got 5 out of 6 right but I went conservative with my scorelines !
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jun 2014, 22:11
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02 Jun 2014, 22:11#7
Becs 
I went wrong with the Ireland - France game and predicted an Irish win.  I did not know that France was the winner of the Under 20 Six Nations competition.    I also was rather conservative with my predictions.   
Fridays games would be very difficult to predict - since England comes up against Australia and South Africa against New Zealand.
Looking at the games today _ I think that SA would beat New Zealand.  I am not going to be conservative this time around and think SA will win by circa 18 points.   
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becsPro4,378 posts
03 Jun 2014, 02:12
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03 Jun 2014, 02:12#8
 I think I'm always too conservative...it's my nature

Friday will be tough...I always have to factor in that we are now in your part of the world so it naturally gives the SH teams an extra boost. But we really are a good lot, I am greatly impressed that we still keep producing these players year on year now....and Mr Lancaster actually does what Coaches before him have not; he is moving players swiftly into the senior side. Thank goodness for that ! Obviously, not all players will cut the mustard,but they have to be given the chance.

I'm hoping we might do it on Friday.....I'll never pick against my lot even if I think we'll lose anyway. Just can't do that.

Here's hoping your boys win too....sorry NZ people
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
03 Jun 2014, 08:18
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03 Jun 2014, 08:18#9
 Mike, can u post the SA team that played Scotland? I was at the stadium so could not hear any commentary. I want to know the name of the big number 14 winger. They said his name after he scored but the stadium sound was not great. 
I am pretty sure SA won't lose to NZL if we rock up on the night. One thing that is extremely noticeable (I stayed on at QBE stadium all 3 games) is that SA's pack and backs for that matter are much bigger than NZL. We have pace to burn too. Esterhuizen is a mountain of a man! My word I could not believe the size of him in person!
England will beat the Aussies. Outmuscle them in the forwards. I am looking forward to that game followed by SA v NZL. Will be there live again. Bought a $55 pack that includes access to all games at QBE stadium and the final at Eden Park. A bit hopeful I know because the venue pack was only $40 but I am confident in making the final ;-) 
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Jun 2014, 09:26
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03 Jun 2014, 09:26#10
 
Awesome Logic ... lucky bastard!!

Becs ... pity your not in our pool.

Picked the Poms to beat the Wallabies this weekend.

Mike ... I see your pretty confident with your Boks scoreline over the Kiwis. Personally I can't see anyone thumping the Kiwis by that margin.

I'll be cheering the Samoans on big time this Friday. I see the match is scheduled at 03h35am Friday morning. Hot cuppa Joe and up goes the volume. Hope the neighbours don't mind!!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jun 2014, 09:49
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03 Jun 2014, 09:49#11
 boklogic
The guy you are referring to is Loyd Greeff.   He was in France for a Junior Athletics Championship  and ran the 100 meters in 11,3 seconds when he was 17 years old.  I got the team from the Springbok Rugby website and suddenly could not get into the site for some reason or another.   Did post the team on Sunday.
I think they will play JP Smith at scrummie on Friday - the guy that came from the bench and they might also play Kriel at full back - he is the twin brother of Jesse who played at outside center.   They are also likely to play Jakkals Schickerling at lock - that is the guy who came on from the bench.
As to Esterhuizen - I have seen him playing last  year and he is to my mind the future Springbok 12. 
I never saw Greeff playing and was unsure about him.   Really also a potential future star that one.  The guy that is as fast and big as Greeff that was not selected was Duhan van der Merwe - they had to take politically a decision to include Petersen - and he will get his chance next year.   He played in the  Argentinian series and never stopped scoring tries.    Pity Greeff and Van der Merwe is not our two wings though.  Petersen is good - but Van der Merwe better.   However, the latter is on a SARU contract and that really is surprising for such a young player.   
Schickerling is regarded as the future Eben Etzebeth - is only 18 years old and already a mountain.  
I think that Pollard had a massive game - he has to my mind ball sense and played a very clever game.   He is one pick I am sure will be in the SA WC squad next year if he keeps on progressing like he did since last year.   
I think that the New Zealand forwards are going to fold against the SA Forwards and the backs are not going to hold out against our much bigger and stronger fast backline players.    It was not the top starting team that they played against the Scots and I think for the New Zealand game they are going to select to start with the strongest possible team.      
I am sure the whole preparation for the squad was in the first instance to beat New Zealand in the pool stage and the guys will be psyched up like is unbelievable.  I think they will beat New Zealand by 18+ points.
       

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jun 2014, 09:55
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03 Jun 2014, 09:55#12
 Cleancut
Just wait and see - I think the New Zealand team will be lucky to get beaten by only 18 points - it may be more.  They just have not got the forwards to keep up and like in 2012 are going to fold under pressure.    
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Jun 2014, 10:22
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03 Jun 2014, 10:22#13
 
It would be great to thump the Kiwis.

Hope your right!!

Go Bokke!!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jun 2014, 11:58
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03 Jun 2014, 11:58#14
 Boklogic
The Staring team dor the Scotland game was as gollows:-
15. Warrick Gelant (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
14. Lloyd Greeff (Leopards)
13. Jesse Kriel (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
12. André Esterhuizen (Cell C Sharks)
11. Sergeal Petersen (EP Kings)
10. Handré Pollard (Vodacom Bulls, captain)
9. Zee Mkhabela (Toyota Free State Cheetahs)
8. Aidon Davis (EP Kings)*
7. Cyle Brink (Golden Lions)
6. Jacques Vermeulen (DHL Western Province)
5. Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
4. Abongile Nonkontwana (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
3. Wilco Louw (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
2. Malcolm Marx (Golden Lions)
1. Pierre Schoeman (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
Replacements:
16. Corniel Els (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
17. Dayan van der Westhuizen (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
18. Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks)
19. JD Schickerling (DHL Western Province)
20. Jean-Luc du Preez (Cell C Sharks)
21. JP Smith (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
22. Jean-Luc Du Plessis (Cell C Sharks)
23. Rohan Janse van Rensburg (Vodacom Blue Bulls)

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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
03 Jun 2014, 12:18
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03 Jun 2014, 12:18#15
 Mike, its vital that we do not start with Zee Mkhabela at 9 this Friday. He is, for lack of a better word, SHIT!!! The ball goes through his legs, he was caught very often by pillar defenders around the ruck and he constantly just looks rushed and under pressure and all this against easy beats like Scotland. He has no business being in this group of players. When that other scrummie came on, we looked much better. He looked like he had a lot more time on the ball simply because he knew what he was doing.
Lloyd Greeff took a while to settle. To me it seemed like he knew he could dominate and was trying to hard. A couple times early on he should have passed and he chose to go himself and he became a heavily marked man. I made the comment to some friends that he knows he is big, fast and strong but he is not doing himself any favours. He was a big reason we were only up 7 points at the half. Second half he looked a completely different player. He was making a break and offloading and we ran away with it. He is a really good player and will be vital to our success if he can keep up his second half performance. Everytime he ran he made something happen. Follow that kid around the park and as a supporting player, you will pick up many tries ;-)
This is the first time I have seen any of these guys play except Sergeal, Handre and Esterhuizen of course but the guy at 13, Jesse Kriel is phenomenal out of the blocks. He has pace to burn and was a thorn in the Scots side all game. Is he the man Saffex spoke of as being one to watch for the future or was that the flank that plays for the Lions named Kriel??
Handre Pollard also makes great decisions. He may be every bit as good as Pat Lambie and with his step and go, may even be better in the not so distant future. 
As I said, I have never seen any of these guys before besides 3 of them but my word Mike, I didnt even realise 18 to 20 year olds can be this big. Some of those Scots looked like 20 year olds..Not our boys. My girlfriend had a good laugh when I told her to look at Esterhuizen and his size, then look at the Scots 12...Scots never stood a chance.Our boys live are a lot bigger through the pack than NZL too.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Jun 2014, 14:39
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03 Jun 2014, 14:39#16

I woke up at 4.30am to watch that game on the Net. Was pretty impressed with the Baby Boks. The only real passengers were Mkhabela at 9 and Nonkontwana at 4.

 

 

They did say that lock JD Schickerling was being held back for this game and would only play 30min off the bench, so I suspect that he will start at 4 against NZ. However the colour issue could get in the way of this.

 

 

Same applies to the scrumhalf position.

 

 

Was very impressed with Schoeman at 1, but as good as he was, monster Thomas du Toit of the Sharks was a real handful when he came on. I can see why Jake has had this 19 year old in his S15 squad.

 

 

Marx at hooker is another powerhouse in the Bismark mould. The loosetrio were very good.

 

 

Pollard at 10 was simply sublime, he is a star of the future.

 

 

Esterhuizen at 12 got no attacking opportunities and hopefully he is not concussed, which would rule him out of the game against NZ.

 

 

Kriel at 13 is a real class act - beautifully balanced player. Was interesting to see him at 13, given he usually plays 15. Another Bok for the future this kid.

 

 

Petersen and Gallant are both full of running and have great steps in the Kolbe mould.

 

 

Greef on the wing is a real monster at 105kg and will take some stopping

 

 

The Baby Boks looked good, as did England. NZ did not play all their stars so we cant really tell yet

 

 

On a humorous note, what a laugh Matt Skelton's brother is for Samao......the guy is an unfit lump of a lard. At 2.05m and 145kg, one could see why he needed a special chair to sit on. Geez he is huge but equally useless

 

 

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becsPro4,378 posts
03 Jun 2014, 14:46
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03 Jun 2014, 14:46#17
 Was it not on Sky like the rest of them then ? 
I didn't see your lot, just saw mine and some of the NZ match. Too busy to watch it all...time zone is not helping this year and the important match is on Saturday. Although...watching under the duvet is in order there !!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Jun 2014, 14:55
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03 Jun 2014, 14:55#18
No they did not show the SA game - bloody idiots at Sky  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jun 2014, 14:58
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03 Jun 2014, 14:58#19
 Saffex
Like the SA team - the NZ team did not include some of their better players - they were on the bench.   I do not think that they would be able to bring in too many better players than they had playing - probably 3 or 4 - but whether that would make a difference is hard to imagine.    
I do not think that they really have the forwards to be competitive.  Most of their tries came from handling errors or poor plays by the Samoans.  There backline players are fast and good ball handlers - but I would not classify them as particularly strong and I doubt whether they are good enough to handle our big and fast backline players in defense. .                  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jun 2014, 15:11
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03 Jun 2014, 15:11#20
 boklogic 
You are correct - there will have to be the BEE factor,  However, I think the starting line up will include Petersen and Gelant - and they will put three BEE players on the bench.    
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
03 Jun 2014, 19:33
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03 Jun 2014, 19:33#21
 News is that Rohan Van Janse Rensburg is injured and replaced by Duhan Van Der Merwe. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jun 2014, 00:16
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04 Jun 2014, 00:16#22
Shezza 
This is a huge blow - Esterhuizen and Van Rensburg were both centers and both normally play at 12.   I do not know what they are going to do at 12 on  Friday.  
Duhan is a very good replacement.  What may happen is that they bring in Du Plessis at flyhalf and play Pollard at 12 - leaving the rest of the backline unchanged.  They  probably will play Duhan from the bench in such a case.    They may also bring in the other Kriel twin - but none of the two have ever played at 12.   
I would say they will have the following on the bench - Kriel. Van der Merwe and Zee.       
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
04 Jun 2014, 00:46
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04 Jun 2014, 00:46#23
For all those who continue bleating about NZ stealing players from the P.I. ....... 25 of the Samoan team were born in NZ, 3 in Samoa .
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Jun 2014, 12:38
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04 Jun 2014, 12:38#24

Huge blow for the Baby Boks missing those 3 players, Esterhuizen in particular.

 

My guess is that Pollard might move to 12, with du Plessis at 10......or they might play the Kriel twins at centre, with Jessie at 12 

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