The utter garbage written about JJ

Wow Moz your takes on this player are laughable........you must really hate the guy after he silenced you after that AB game.

Have just watched the Bulls game again as I watched that one in the company of mates which always come with distractions.

The Bulls centres had really good games and I can see why Sas has Serfontein as his 12 of the week. 

There was plenty of running set up by Hougaard, Potgieter, Serfontein and JJ.......who comprehensively outplayed their opponents.

As for JJ defensively I read this shit about him needing help etc and making little impression.......go tell Luatua that, when he smashed him into touch in minute 70 with great effect........in fact every time Luatau seemed to get the ball JJ had him.

JJ never had to go low as he was never challenged in open play.......all his tackles were good smother tackles in traffic.......he made loads of tackles.......missed one where he was stepped after a rush, which had zero effect as the runner ran straight into two defenders

But it was more about JJ's effectiveness on attack.......when he ran through the 12 in minute 5, hurting the defender in the process.

Then is minute 16, he beats Luatua with a good step and just before the half puts Ndungane away nicely to set up the Serfontein try shortly after

Soon after the half he adds a bit of variety by popping a switch pass to Basson

In minute 43 he has another good run at pace, but sadly Basson cuts in instead of staying wide

In minute 51 he has yet another good run, where we see his pace......he executes a good in out, but Visser stays on his outside, when he should have run an inside line

Moz keep trying bud, its utter nonsense......the ONLY reason I am giving Jean the 13 spot this week is because of that chip.......other than that JJ was more visible with ball in hand and busier in defence

So lets see.

Minute 1.00 he makes a clean tackle of Tevita Li all by himself.

Minute 2.23 JJ and Basson get dragged 4 metres into touch by Luatua.

Minute 23.21 JJ combines with another  Bulls  player round the legs to make a tackle

Minute 26.00 JJ is stepped by the Blues 2

Minute 54.50 Piutau beats JJ, and is tackled by another Bool

Minute 5.31 JJ is penalized for tackling Piutau without the ball...Joel makes his excuses

Minute 67.27 Pita Akii sails round JJ and makes  dangerous metres

Minute 69.00 Hougaard goes low, JJ high.

Minute 65.48 Drops a Blue already wrapped around the legs

Minute 70.00 Pushes Luatau into touch with the help of Basson

Minute 73.20 JJ is dragged 4 metres by Piutau

Minute74 Brings down Lautau who is stationary as he gets the ball.

Low tackles zero....unassisted tackles 2.....missed tackles 3.....ineffective clinging tackles 2.

We wont comment about his three cross field runs in the Blues 22 when a try could have been on, where he crowded the players outside. Suffice it to say it was a very ordinary day at the office.

The scary thing is though, Sharkbok is probably right....this mediocre effort is probably an improvement on prior weeks. At least JJ showed some energy getting to the tackle point in the last 10 minutes.

Moz the fact that everyone agrees that he had a good game about sums up the rubbish you have just written above, especially regarding his performance on attack.......it had stuff all to do with running across and everything to do with attacking with speed and and looking to offload to his support runners who failed to run good lines......had Basson kept on his outside instead of stepping in, JJ would have put him away on the outside........had Visser run an inside line, JJ would have put him away........sadly SA support runners often fail to think on their feet

JJ was better than Jean with ball in hand on Sat and that is a fact......your prejudice shines bright.

Serfontein and JJ had damn good games, comprehensively outplaying their opposite numbers.

Your takes on JJ being dragged is complete rubbish and there for everyone to see......as Shark correctly observed he was pretty physical in defence......just ask Lautau

Oh please he pushed....yes I mean pushed ....Luatua into touch twice with the help of another Bool. That's physical?

As for his offence, nobody is denying he has a winger's speed. But he has no idea how to use it. Why is it JdV breaks and offloads, Jordaan finds space....ancient BOD makes a dynamic contribution....EVERY GAME. But poor JJ is surrounded by players who don't get his genius and inside backs, one of whom is Serfontein , who wont give him the ball?

Use your eyes man, this kid hasn't made a low tackle in all the games I watched him. Wings are helped by touch and JJ certainly wants to use the touchline .....inside centres can go high and get help. But 13s have to be able to go low and make a clean tackle. Even Fury could pull this off.

And you also drone on about Serfontein. What did he really do....step a few forwards and use an overlap to score an easy try. What about Matfields brilliant pass that put him clean away, only for him to drop the ball. And his pace is questionable. The Blues wing behind his line left him as if his feet were in concrete.

These guys had so much better ball than the Blues, but still weren't able really impose themselves on the game. I hope they meet your ambitions, we need young centres. But it's hard to be optimistic.

Moz my eyes are wide open unlike your prejudicial ones......this is confirmed by the fact that everyone has agreed that the Bulls centres had good games....its just funny how you appear to be the only one who disagrees........surprise, surprise.

So if JJ takes the defence on the outside and his wing cuts in, that's his fault is it......especially when the commentators voice the very fact that the wing should have stayed wide........typically you find fault with JJ.

Jean has effected all of one offload in the last 12 months - wow.....when did Jordaan find space? Its all a load of rubbish.

When JJ smashes Luatua into touch, Basson hardly had a hand on him......it was all JJ.

Serfontein was yet again the best 12 in SA.......questionable pace......yeah right he outpaced the Blues player to dot down for a 22.......that was pure pace.

The Bulls centres did impose themselves on the game.......go check their running stats and last I checked Serfontein scored a try

Your prejudice rules when it comes to these two class acts.......its so apparent  

The top centres around like Jean, BOD, Fofana, Roberts make contributions, because they can read the play. They don't wait for the ball to be delivered to them. They are not passive like JJ. He is at best a finisher....a wing. It's not that we need him there, it's that he has failed to become a centre. Forget about him.

For the rest there are many questions. Jean is in his last two seasons. De Allende has to play more big games. Serfontein looks more and more like an Olivier clone, with an inside step as his only real weapon. Jordaan may still be vulnerable to big centres as he was last year against Robbie Fruean. Frans is a likely choice for the post Jean 12 role....but flyhalf is an option.

Well hard luck JJ is there to stay at 13 and rightly so......he will not be wasted on the wing. My guess is that he will walk straight back into the side at 13 come June as he has more to offer than any other 13 in SA by some considerable distance.

Jean, Fofana, Roberts are all inside centres......they are there to create......JJ is an outside centre, a finisher......that is what he does well......if his 12 can put him into space, he will deliver more clout than any other 13 out there.

As for Serfontein and the inside step........wow you have selective memory......Serfontein proved you wrong last week when he effected a perfect outside break - keep making it up Moz

Fact is Jean and Roberts are players with little creativity.......they rely on strength and running good lines........the likes of Fofana and Serfontein have far more attacking clout to them.......they have far better feet and seek to beat defenders will skill.......Jean has the experience, Serfontein the raw material. Serfontein is far better than Jean was aged 20.

There is no way in hell Jean is faster than Serfontein........the young man would leave Jean in the dust.......8m my arse.

Serfontein's try last week was set up initially by JJ putting Ndungane away down the right.

In JJ's last game against the AB's he set Morne up for the try after beating Sava  only for useless Morne dropping it going over the line. Let me guess its JJ's fault Morne spilt the ball going over the line?????

Against Oz he put Kirchner away for a try beautifully.......all within his last 8 games.......case closed 

We can debate endlessly about whether a try should have been scored. The last try JJ contributed to, in reality, was the Kirchner try at Newlands. That's um all of 6 matches ago....4 S15 matches, a match against the Cheetahs, you remember when Strauss gassed JJ for a try....and the NZ game. So he hasn't contributed to an actual try for 6 matches.

As for the try that he put Kirchner "beautifully away'......all he did was catch the ball, run unopposed for 25 metres and pass. what the hell is so wonderful about that, shouldn't even a high school centre be able to do that?

If you want to give credit for that try....most should go to Jean for throwing a "sublime" long pass which set JJ free. Kirchner also did well taking the inside pass and stepping his man.

Of all the tries and set-ups that we should be talking about, was the one against NZ when JJ beat Savea with pure class and then drew a defender and threw a perfectly directed long pass off his wrong hand to Willie, who passed to Morne who spilt the ball going over the line.......if you cant see the merit in that then your prejudice runs deeper than a healthy level.

I counter your call that JJ has not set up tries in 8 games......with 3 examples and you still cant accept it......there is no hope

As for the last 4 S15 games, two were played in the pouring rain.......let me guess JJ should have been running wild?

Moz, fact is JJ has been as good as the next man to date and has had very little ball to operate with, hardly surprising given the Bulls dire team performance in the first game, followed by 2 games in the rain.

Give the guy a break for pity sake.....one would swear all our SA centres and S15 centres in general were ripping defences apart  

 Dave you have no hesitation going after Jean....to me he has earned our loyalty. So far JJ has earned zippo. In any case, we judge all these guys on performance, not some vague potential that hasn't shown diddly two years after the switch to centre....or some sentimental hogwash.

Until I see real evidence to the contrary this guy is a wing. His run down the touchline in the Kirchner try, his defence against Luatua both had the finger prints of a guy who feels most comfortable using the touchline and opertating in space.

The clock is at 6 matches since he has been relevant to his team's score.