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The Vunipol clean out.

Started by Plum21 REPLIES872 VIEWS· 01 Jul 2017, 22:07
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PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Jul 2017, 22:07
#1
01 Jul 2017, 22:07#1
Check at 69:06
A) Barrett is right next to the ruck.B) Vunipola used both arms in the hit.
Barrett is moving away from the tackled player but Vunipola has every right to clean him out. 
If not then we are saying that forwards in those situations are supposed to wait and see if the tackler is gonna stand up and contest the ball. No. If he's there he gets cleaned out. It happens all the time to tacklers who are down, or busy getting up. 
Richie McCaw caused one of our lads to require neck surgery in exactly such an incident and didn't even get a yellow. 
Really, it amounts to a high clean out. Nothing more. 
I believe that's what the TV ref was trying to tell the ref but got ignored.
Am i missing something?
Here's the link...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=92e_okRD2dg
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
01 Jul 2017, 22:14
#2
01 Jul 2017, 22:14#2
 Plum, this video shows things more clearly
A Kiwi perspective
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Jul 2017, 23:51
#3
01 Jul 2017, 23:51#3
 Umm
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
01 Jul 2017, 23:56
#4
01 Jul 2017, 23:56#4
 "Am i missing something?"

just the basic, man.... what a "dangerous shoulder charge" is (often referred just as "shoulder charge") and what "use" of arm means

there's no possible "Vunipola used both arms",.... unless someone could charge with both shoulders at the same time (quite difficult with the head in the middle),.... there's only one arm that matters when talking about shoulder charges and is the one next to the shoulder employed to charge

when in a shoulder charge a player leaves the arm down or near his body is very dangerous (I couldn't find any better image but I think it can be seen)



in this position there's a small contact surface (all the strenght of the hit concentrates in that small part) and bones are predominant in it. This is considered foul play

to"use" the arm means that the player tries to grab the oponent or makes the movement to do it



this image is for a different purpose but just look at the position of the arm respect the shoulder,.... in this position the shoulder offers a bigger contact surface (that soften the impact) and there's more muscle in it. The movement of the arm to separate it from the body and put it in this or similar position is what is called to "use" it


According to Law 10.4:

(g) Dangerous charging. A player must not charge or knock down an opponent carrying the ball without trying to grasp that player.

(h) A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without use of the arms, or without grasping a player.




Vunipola didn't "use" his arm, it was a dangerous shoulder charge, yellow card,.... and he was very lucky that Barrett was falling backwards and thanks to it didn't hit him in the head
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
02 Jul 2017, 01:04
#5
02 Jul 2017, 01:04#5
Listen,  u guys were beaten by a team that scored two tries and u lost.
Stop bitching and making excuses.
SBW deserved the RED card big time for his shoulder charge into the winger's head.Barret was taken out cleanly and played up big time by faking an injury with the sole purpose of earning a penalty and hoping for a card to be pulled. 
The tackle by Vunipola was not dirty, illegal or dangerous in any way. Also as stated in your blog regarding Law 10.4.....just how many NZ players have in the past and presently contravened that law over and over.
If the refs are going to make calls like they did, in this case, the NZ team will at best have 12 to 13 players on the field at any stage during a game.
The NZ players are following the example of Ronaldo by appealing to the officials whenever they are tackled of beaten on a particular play.
Grow up accept that u got beaten and play the type of rugby that u are known for.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
02 Jul 2017, 02:27
#6
02 Jul 2017, 02:27#6
 quit the glue,... it damages the brain
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Jul 2017, 02:30
#7
02 Jul 2017, 02:30#7
 Sean O'Brien has been cited for a red car d level offense - swinging arm on Naholo. We all saw it, don't know how the officials did not.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
02 Jul 2017, 04:43
#8
02 Jul 2017, 04:43#8
 It's not a Red Card if they do it JW -->or give it to them after the game is over lols 
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Jul 2017, 09:57
#9
02 Jul 2017, 09:57#9
 
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaa!!

Shame ... you guys are realy upset, huh? All woeful and crying foul.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! What a bunch of snivelling wimps you are.

A win is a win ... and that was a good win. Nothing hollow about it.

They beat you at every contact point ... in short you guys were bullied at the collision. Physically dominated ... by a team that still hasn't found their footing. 

Two trys to zip says it all.

I suppose this ref will be struck off any potential AB test in the future. He just doesn't comply.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaa!!!

I love it.

Keep snivelling boys ... and girl!!



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Jul 2017, 11:23
#10
02 Jul 2017, 11:23#10
 Lol so BAsque actually didn't watch the video which clearly shows arms being used.
Shall a put a freeze frame if that time stamp up here Basque?
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
02 Jul 2017, 12:12
#11
02 Jul 2017, 12:12#11
 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Jul 2017, 12:13
#12
02 Jul 2017, 12:13#12
cc, how are the Boks doing mate? Oh, I forgot, you ran off like a sniveling little baby when your team started to go bad (apologies to sniveling babies )
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
02 Jul 2017, 12:13
#13
02 Jul 2017, 12:13#13
 that was a dangerous shoulder charge and a yellow card,.... the ref was correct red carding SBW and yellow carding Vunipola,....
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
02 Jul 2017, 14:17
#14
02 Jul 2017, 14:17#14
 Vunipola is a dirty player. He squirrel gripped Frank but had to let go when he realised they were made of steel.
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
02 Jul 2017, 20:32
#15
02 Jul 2017, 20:32#15
Just_win for your information the Lions player (O'B) has been cleared of dangerous play.
Disappointing for you I know.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Jul 2017, 21:50
#16
02 Jul 2017, 21:50#16
 Yes AJ I posted this news on another thread. All water under the bridge mate, next game is on the way
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jul 2017, 05:52
#17
03 Jul 2017, 05:52#17
Or in the immortal words of the song he could have been like Gobbels.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Jul 2017, 08:14
#18
03 Jul 2017, 08:14#18
 
Ok, Lara ... I guess being civil and friendly is a thing of the past. No big deal. I'm sure neither of us will lose any sleep over it.

Yes I will definitely be around after this coming Saturday ... and next Saturday ... and next month. Why wouldn't I be?

I'm sure you and yours will either have something to cry about ... or something to gloat over.

There is either a strutt coming, closely followed by a lot of back slapping and self adoration ... or pointed fingers and tearful cries of "no fair" ...

Either way ... I'll be right here to voice my opinion.

 

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Jul 2017, 11:34
#19
03 Jul 2017, 11:34#19
 Lara, CC = STALKER. Run Lara, run.
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
03 Jul 2017, 11:50
#20
03 Jul 2017, 11:50#20
 Hakwa, CC = Colossal Chip (as in on shoulder) or Colossal Chump; take your pick...Never seen so much vitriol from a bloke who's team he has abandoned altogether. Well, until they start winning the RC again......So jealous of the ABs; even Hasbeeno seems quite sane compared to this turkey.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Jul 2017, 12:01
#21
03 Jul 2017, 12:01#21
Yes, wee cc is showing his true colors as someone else on this board said.  I thought he was a cheap copy of that fictional character Rocky Balboa but Rocky was entertaining & had some character. He also had a girl friend.

 
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
03 Jul 2017, 12:58
#22
03 Jul 2017, 12:58#22
 @Moolaa,  r u sure Beanhead is saner than him?  (sorry Beeno, cannot resist) 
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