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The Xhosa All Blacks

Started by sharkbok10 REPLIES750 VIEWS· 25 Nov 2019, 02:34
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
25 Nov 2019, 02:34
#1
25 Nov 2019, 02:34#1
Some are saying their is overrepresentation of Xhosa, which does not reflect the democratic makeup of South Africa.
ex.TimesLive.coza

Springbok captain Siya Kolisi and winger Makazole Mapimpi are Xhosas, a fact that was used by some tweeps to pronounce the tribe superior to others.

An open letter “from the Xhosa people to the nation” was also widely shared on social media.

In part, the letter reads: “We as the Xhosa people would like to state that we're tired of carrying this country on our backs. Year by year we work tirelessly for this country, while the rest of the nation relaxes. We'd also like to state that this World Cup is the last thing Xhosa people are doing for this country.”

While some openly embraced the perceived tribalism, others denounced it, saying it was divisive.


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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2019, 03:25
#2
25 Nov 2019, 03:25#2

Believe me the real problem of tribalism became even more pronounced during the crooked Zuma regime,   His key agents in the process were in the main Zulus and the Xhosas were sidelined.   The Zuma support base was never really the Xhosas - although some crooked Xhosas were also involved.  

The issue of tribalism became a problem as did the vilification of the Whites by Zuma and his side-kick Malema.   The fight between Zuma and the EFF had more to do with access to crooked resources than policy.

A bad situation - and it still is because Ramaphosa has to deal with disunity in the ANC with the crooks still in position of power within his party,      

      

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2019, 03:25
#3
25 Nov 2019, 03:25#3

Duplication

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Nov 2019, 06:05
#4
25 Nov 2019, 06:05#4
Kolisi and Mapimpi, are they the only Xhosas in the team ?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2019, 06:57
#5
25 Nov 2019, 06:57#5

No - Mtawarira was a Zimbabwean and for years  lived in Umhlanga - he may originally have been a Matabele -ie Zulu, Am is a Zulu and so is Nkosi - even though the latter grew up in Mpumalanga,  

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
25 Nov 2019, 13:30
#6
25 Nov 2019, 13:30#6

AM is Xhosa. I believe many of the best players in SA are from Eastern Cape. 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
25 Nov 2019, 17:06
#7
25 Nov 2019, 17:06#7

Two decent players from EP from days gone by are:

1. Danie Gerber

2. Gavin Cowley.

and then you have the Puke Watson type players...........

Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro803 posts
29 Nov 2019, 14:01
#8
29 Nov 2019, 14:01#8

Was Gavin Cowley good?

I never watched him play.

Any decent coverage of him playing?

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
30 Nov 2019, 10:54
#9
30 Nov 2019, 10:54#9

Gavin Cowley was a very talented Fly Half, almost on the same par of Keith Oxlee but not quite.

Beast is a Shona...who went to Peterhouse Boys in Mashonaland East in Zim.

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
30 Nov 2019, 11:04
#10
30 Nov 2019, 11:04#10

A little on Gavin Cowley;

Considered by many to be one of the unluckiest rugby players not to wear the green and gold, he was selected to the Springbok squad for the third and fourth test matches in the 1974 British Lions series at the age of 20 and again for the 1976 series against the All Blacks, but sat on the bench, never running onto the field to earn what would have been a well deserved cap. Despite his flair for distribution of the ball, speed through a gap and a mature ability to adjust himself to the state of the game, the supreme honour was not accorded him.

He played in several Junior Springbok, SA Invitation and Quagga/Barbarian matches against International opposition. Probably the most well-remembered game was when Gavin played at centre with Peter Kirsten as his flyhalf in the Quaggas/British Lions game in 1974. The referee, who was heavily criticized (particularly by the partisan Ellis Park crowd) disallowed a Cowley try which ultimately cost the home team the game 20 – 16. Gavin also played in the Quagga/ Barbarians 32 – 31 loss to the 1976 All Blacks at the old Ellis Park, which Gavin rates as his best game ever.

One of the highlights of his career was playing for a World XV against Cardiff in Wales as part of the club’s centenary celebrations.

Gavin played in many famous games, including the “Battle of the Boet Erasmus” free-for-all – in the Lions match against Eastern Province in 1974. It was Gavin’s third appearance for Eastern Province as a 20-year-old. As the forwards started a free for all, the legendary Lions’ fly half, Phil Bennett, trotted across to Gavin, flung his arm around Gavin’s shoulder and said: “Never mind, lad, we’re quite safe where we’re standing now!”

Gavin also excelled on the cricket field. One of his finest performances was achieved in 1976, when EP beat Western Province in the Gillette Cup Final at the Wanderers, with Gavin winning the bowling prize for his figures of 6 for 32. The Eastern Province team was a very strong one in this era (Bezuidenhout, Wilkins, McEwan, Pollock G, Wilmot, Bestall, Cowley, Brickett, Edmonds, Schmidt and Watson ) Gavin must be rated as one of Grey High School’s greatest allround sportsmen.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
30 Nov 2019, 15:16
#11
30 Nov 2019, 15:16#11

Watson appeared years later and was never great or in the same class as the other players mentioned.

He actually developed his game under the Sharks umbrella and not the Kings or EP.

Pollock was actually born in Durban.


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