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‘These Springboks are different’ – Quade Cooper’s take on world champions’ evolvement under Rassie Erasmus

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
13 Aug 2024, 02:20
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13 Aug 2024, 02:20#1

Former Wallabies fly-half Quade Cooper has revealed that he’s pleasantly surprised by how South Africa’s game-plan has evolved recently and said it’s not a new development.

For several years, the Springboks have earned a reputation for their pragmatic approach to the game in which they usually employ a low-risk game plan – where they kick for territory and keep the ball mostly amongst their forwards.

That style of play has paid dividends under the guidance of Rassie Erasmus as the Springboks have won back-to-back Rugby World Cups in 2019 and 2023 as well as a 2-1 series victory over the British and Irish Lions in 2021.

Springboks embracing new style of play

However, the world champions have earned plenty of praise recently as they have a new attacking coach in former All Blacks fly-half Tony Brown and the Boks have embraced his philosophy where a more expansive style of play is encouraged.

Cooper, who made his last Wallabies appearance in the 2023 Rugby Championship, is a big fan of the Boks’ new approach but revealed that he noticed the difference in their style of play during last year’s Rugby Championship already.

“Well, honestly, I think it already started prior to the new coaches,” he told the Behind the Ruck podcast.

“I remember coming out and playing last year when we played at Loftus (Versfeld). So we kicked the ball off after the first try that you guys scored. We kicked the ball off up the middle of the field.

“And usually when you’re playing against South Africa, you know exactly what’s going to happen. You kick it and they’re very scripted. So it doesn’t matter if you guys (the Springboks) are behind by 15 points on the scoreboard, you’re going to continue to play your game-plan.

“But we kicked the ball up the middle and there was an obvious overlap on our left hand side, your guys’ right hand side. And from inside your 22, we know, hey, they’re not going to run it. And then straight away, they just pulled the trigger and they go 80 metres and score another try.

“And in that moment, I was like ‘these Springboks are different’. Like this isn’t like the Springbok of old. They’re starting to change.

“They’re starting to see things and just pull the trigger when they see it.

“And then throughout that whole game, I’d never seen a Springbok team run from inside their 22 as much as they did that game.”

Quade Cooper’s view on Wallabies’ ‘hardest game’ of the Rugby Championship

The 84-Test Wallaby admitted that he enjoyed seeing the transformation in the Bok side and the fact that they combined their new attacking style with their traditional strengths.

“It was really exciting to see the progression throughout the Rugby Championship into the World Cup,” he said.

“Because the way that you guys started to attack and you had the physicality, as (in the past) you’d win the physical battle and there’d be space to go run it, but you’d never take it.

“So it was like as a defence, we always felt if we matched up physically, we can give them the space and we can shorten our line and just go at them like pretty hard.

“But now when you started to add in passing to your game, the way that the backs were attacking is a really scary thing to come up against.”

The veteran playmaker also admitted that he is excited by the emergence of several talented playmakers in the South African game, like Manie Libbok, Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu and Damian Willemse, and offered them some sage advice.

‘I really love the way he plays the game’

“Firstly, believe in yourself and what you’re doing, what’s got you there,” he explained. “So the guys like Manie, I really love the way he plays the game.

“And when I was alluding to that change when we played at Loftus, that was all off the back of him, you know, the skill that he showed.

“And I know that he copped some criticism throughout the World Cup, but he’s the type of guy who’s been able to take South Africa and push them to a whole new level, you know?

“So I’m super excited about the future for South African rugby, for these guys, Sacha, Manie, Damian as well. These guys are really special talents. And I just hope that they understand that.

“That they find ways to continue to elevate their game, continue to grow and understand the game in different ways. So if you have that as your skill-set, learn about other ways too, but always remember that that’s your strength. That’s what makes you different and being different is great.”

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
13 Aug 2024, 02:21
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Aug 2024, 14:36
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13 Aug 2024, 14:36#3

When you have a great coach you can expect a side to improve

Some of the oaks couldn't grasp Rasdie's advanced take on the game. With their limited rugby acumen what Rassie did made no sense so they wailed away about how bad the coach was. 

Poor mozzietard got completely obsessed with proving how bad a coach Rassie was and crashed and burned as a consequence. It became a clown show! 

It is pleasing Rassie is not casting away traditional Bok strengths. 




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MpowerPro5,061 posts
13 Aug 2024, 14:50
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13 Aug 2024, 14:50#4
Wonder if "Rasdie's"got any new curry recipes ??
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2024, 14:51
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13 Aug 2024, 14:51#5

And yet we couldn’t beat Ireland at home….not playing the new expansive game.

What the oaks don’t realize is the joy of seeing our forwards try to offload a few times, tells one what a rugby desert  we have been trudging through.

Moz made the point before Harrassmiss took over that we would never succeed without the traditional Bok strengths….defense and scrumming.

And when that was in place, that our rugby was one dimensional, which Harrassmiss has finally accepted by bringing in better coaches.

The oaks admit we have by far the best talent pool in rugby, but then call Harrassmiss a genius for tying the series one all at home with Ireland. And for needing foreign coaches to play 15 man rugby.

Moz way ahead of the curve all the way. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Aug 2024, 18:01
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13 Aug 2024, 18:01#6
Fuck me we lost to Ireland at the end of the game after fucking up the first half then putting them to the sword in the second only to fuck it up thanks to v Staaden losing possession This is the best Irish side ever - by some distance Fuck me who would be stupid enough to define our coach and our side on the strength of a test lost in the dying minutes thanks to a drop kick Get a fucking grip Rassie is without a doubt a rugby genius Cooper knows it like the rest of us do By some distance the best Bok coach we have ever had
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2024, 18:20
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13 Aug 2024, 18:20#7

We were playing at home block head.  Our  record against Ireland  over the last year….1 win/2 losses…despite home advantage.

3 wins by 1 point to secure a WC despite a red card advantage. The weakest AB and Oz teams since readmission.

Genius nah….luck, yes, incredibly lucky fellow. . Eluckmiss wasted 4 years betweeen WCs. Our 2019 team was at least as good as our 2023 team….our tactics exactly the same.

So now it’s supposedly noteworthy that after 7 years he wants to play ball in hand rugby, having finally woken up to the talent we have.

Hilarious!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Aug 2024, 19:19
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13 Aug 2024, 19:19#8
Moz talk us through how much better Joke White is than Rassie - that’s about all you are good at Actually that is probably closely followed by powder puff being better than PSDT You are a joke For the record the Irish side is just as good as the Bok side - their frontrow is up there with ours but they lack the back up frontrow we have Their lock combo is better than ours thanks to Rassie selecting the useless Mostert Their halfbacks, centres and back three are as good as ours There is very little between the sides - the Irish side is bloody good but you are too stupid to work that out
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2024, 19:26
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13 Aug 2024, 19:26#9

Nonsense our scrum is better than the Irish….our starting scrum is better than Ireland. There are the stats from the game we lost. Our starting scrum dominated their starting scrum.

Catch a wake up Dave your rugby ignorance is approaching that of Clever Wanker.

SAScrums WonIRE6/6 (100%)5/9 (55%)
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2024, 19:28
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13 Aug 2024, 19:28#10

Oh and if you want to argue the point, look at the faint white dots at the start of Irish graphic….those were the first scrums. Get real man, stop bullshitting.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Aug 2024, 19:35
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13 Aug 2024, 19:35#11
Bullshit is our scrum better than the Irish pack especially when we started Mostert at lock and Kwagga at 8 Our pack should be better than the Irish one if we had selected the correct pack Ryan is twice the lock Mostert is as is Doris twice the 8 Kwagga is No ways is Faf better than Gibson-Park Your takes show how little you actually know
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2024, 19:53
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13 Aug 2024, 19:53#12

Our starting pack, including Mostert and Kwagga took 4 scrums off the Irish. How does that make their starting scrums equal to ours.

In the previous test Ireland lost 4 scrums….we lost 1 …, against their second shift.

All your impressions are completely, diametrically wrong…because you are an emotional, not a rational observer..


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Aug 2024, 20:02
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13 Aug 2024, 20:02#13
Um a test is not defined by a scrum - hellloooooo We don’t need scrums to tell us James Ryan is a far better lock than Mostert As for Doris vs Kwagga as 8 it’s not even close One is potentially the best 8 in the game the other not an 8 at all as he keeps proving everytime he plays there
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2024, 20:37
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13 Aug 2024, 20:37#14

We do need scrums stats to tell us which pack was dominant… clearly it was the Boks.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Aug 2024, 21:17
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13 Aug 2024, 21:17#15
Wow what utter rubbish
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2024, 02:22
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14 Aug 2024, 02:22#16

The utter rubbish is your claim that we weren’t superior to the Irish starting tight five.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Aug 2024, 08:04
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14 Aug 2024, 08:04#17

Our tight five is almost always superior to everyone in the tight phases...Ireland gave us hell at the breakdown...extremely physical and on the border of fair play...they threw everything at us and managed to steal it in the last minute...good on them, but not the negative on us that you perceive. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Aug 2024, 09:02
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14 Aug 2024, 09:02#18
We were definitely not superior to the Irish tightfive - that is never going to happen if one of our locks is Mostert Porter is up there with Ox Sheenan up there with Marx/ Bongi Furlong up there with Malherbe McCarthy up there with Eben Ryan is far better than Mostert Facts Add Doris far far better than Kwagga at 8
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2024, 16:31
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14 Aug 2024, 16:31#19

Just the facts and nothing but the facts….so help me Eluckmiss.


/6 (100%)5/9 (55%)

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The facts is you have no clue who is pushing hardest in the scrums. Mostert behind Ox has blown away every tighthead we have faced.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Aug 2024, 18:33
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14 Aug 2024, 18:33#20
Mostert in the scrum bwahhhaaaa I’m guessing that 1.98m and 112kg skinny frame is all raw power - evidenced in all those dominant runs in traffic he makes - fucking joke Ox with powder puff behind him never dominated Furlong and that’s a fact But let’s face it scrums are hardly the measure of how good a player is, especially useless Mostert
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2024, 18:37
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14 Aug 2024, 18:37#21
So a weak useless lock makes no difference, Ox still dominates . So if it doesn’t matter why obsess about it…..either way you are toast.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Aug 2024, 18:40
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14 Aug 2024, 18:40#22
Because scrums only form a tiny part of the equation Scrums are a collective of 8, no doubt Ox would prefer a real lock behind him - good chance had he had one we might have then dominated the Irish scrum I can’t believe you think scrums by a lock are the measure of his physicality Nice work Moz
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2024, 18:50
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14 Aug 2024, 18:50#23

We did dominate the Irish scrum….we won all our’s, they botched 4 of their 9 feeds. I guess by your own logic that proves we had a real lock behind Ox. This is so easy…,can’t you do better?

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Aug 2024, 19:19
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14 Aug 2024, 19:19#24
We certainly did not dominate the Irish scrums and no doubt having Mostert at 5 and Kwagga at 8 would have accounted for that But let’s get to the point - since when was a lock scrumming the measure of his physicality in the game Don’t insult me by saying this is easy - you are making a complete fool of yourself with the most ridiculous rugby assertion ever Fuck me Moz I know you are not this stupid? Is it early morning there or very late at night
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2024, 00:08
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15 Aug 2024, 00:08#25
Prop penalties:
Furlong 2Porter 2Malherbe 0Nche 0
Lesson the Bok scrum was dominant.


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