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This was like the Proteas vs Sri Lanka

Started by Mozart14 REPLIES604 VIEWS· 21 Jul 2019, 00:38
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jul 2019, 00:38
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21 Jul 2019, 00:38#1
A home game against a team we always beat in South Africa. The Aussies were woeful......they simply couldn't scrum. And they were Bargie like in their missed passes and dropped balls. The match tells us little.....but there are a few individual lessons. 1 Nkosi was comfortably gassed by a loosie in the Aussie denied try.....concerning. 2 Kriel remains toothless....he can't create anything. 3 Steyn adds a dimension with his ability to offload in complete control, while being heavily tackled. 4 Herschel Jantjies fulfilled my early call. 5 Our lineouts improved when Brits made the throws. 6 The Beast was by far the most destructive scrummager on the park. 7 Koch is still a scrumming risk. 8 Lomp was beaten at least twice on his own ball. 9 Stephanie remains a liability around the fringes eg in the Ozzie denied try. His lauded kick ahead worked, but the percentage play was an offload. 10. Louw was the dominant force on the deck and easily outplayed Hooper. ........ Next week will tell us much more.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 03:20
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21 Jul 2019, 03:20#2

I agree with pretty much all of that. Kriel has blinkers on attack. This is where I prefer both Am and Mapoe, they are both more positionally sound but have great awareness for what and who is around them. Aside from his botched coverage with Orie leading up to the second Aussie try, he didn't do a lot wrong. He just isn't a decisive presence. 

The Wallabies surprised me by the extent of the Bok domination at the breakdown. Louw was by far the best loosie. Elstadt looked like a blindsider out of position whilst Steph looked like a lock out of position.

Orie is not cut out for test rugby, and neither is Coetzee. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 04:37
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21 Jul 2019, 04:37#3

BSters in complete world of their own delirium.   The players deserving credit is criticized - those who made very little in contribution is praised.   

Mozart as per normal you attack the wrong players and you and AO's attacks on Erasmus is totally laughable/  Time to sit up and eat the crow - after all in this match Erasmus showed that in the  WC year he won at least one test as against Meyer's loss  of all three RC tests in 2015,

You and AO are totally absent in objectivity and it makes you a total BSters - bu t we know that by now.    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 04:47
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21 Jul 2019, 04:47#4

He beat a poor Aussie side and that equates to him being better than Meyer? Meyer lost 5 in his first 30 tests, not 7 in his first 15. He already cannot be compared. That with an upswing in new personnel, something which wasn't available in 2015! 

You talk about contributions? Lets have a look at the Bok's first try: 

Louw makes a turnover, the ball goes to Beast who makes a pass Damian could only dream of to Esterhuizen who draws and passes setting Nkosi away. After that it's plain sailing. Try. Three players you have attacked vehemently made that try happen. 

What of Nkosi's try? Ball to Frans who physically dominates contact and twists, getting the ball out to the looping Elton who gets it away. Eben then sets up the final sequence with another great offload. Three players you have attacked. 

Where was Steph and Elstadt for the try Kerevi setup? They were both cleanly beaten, leaving the Bok defence for dead. Kriel and Orie were guilty of exactly the same thing later! 

You are too easy! 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 07:06
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21 Jul 2019, 07:06#5

AO

Easy according to idiot speak.  But that great plays were off-set by enough bugger-ups as well.  So suddenly it s a weak Aussie side and  Meyer did not have the players to counter the Aussies in 2015.   Great excuse but whose fault was that?   Meyer's in its entirety.   What norms did he use in team selection.   Just one of his classics,  "I know what these players are capable of" - yet he forgot it was 2015 and what they were capable of it was in 2007.   A disaster to pick players on REPUTATION and not PERFORMANCE. 

WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS COMING UP WITH BS WHEN RUGBY IS BEING DISCUSSED?    

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 07:13
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21 Jul 2019, 07:13#6

Mozart

The fact is that was the ODI game where you found out that Amla made some runs at a 10% higher strike rate than  his average and suddenly he was the great success at the WC.  Everyone else said Amla was a disaster at the CWC - but you wrote rave reviews.

It was idiotic to refer to that game now and it just reminded everyone how idiotic your player  assessments really are,   When will you ever learn????????????     

By the way 0f you wanted to refer to the CWC - why did you not refer to the CWC game between SA and Australia?    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 07:52
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21 Jul 2019, 07:52#7

So you now tell me that Folau and Pocock don't strengthen the Wallabies? That an Ashley-Cooper and Giteau playing well aren't strong opponents? Those four players alone, taken from 2015 and placed into this team upgrades the Wallabies immensely. 

I love this. You accuse Meyer of picking "geriatrics" and players on "reputation" not "form". Then the player who singlehandedly loses the game is a youth pick, selected on reputation and not on form. If I'm going to pick your pockets this easily, so often, can you please clear the lint? 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 08:09
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21 Jul 2019, 08:09#8

Is Idiot Speak n easy language to learn - must be since you are expert in it.   Meyer's selections were a mad system of players who showed zero and was unplayable in the WC in 2015.   He never gave any new players he selected a chance to settle in as test players.  By the time the WC arrived the center he was forced to use had three games combined as a center pairing.   He would not select any Lions players despite the fact that the Lions that year was the top SA team in Super Rugby.

He selected  8 unplayable players for the WC in 2015 - totally crazy.    Nobody lost that Aussie  game single-handedly - only you and your fellow idiot will come up with that myth,  

And then there was the home test against Argentina - what about that one.   No - the e asy one to deal with by me is the IDIOT SPEAKERS on site,      

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 08:22
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21 Jul 2019, 08:22#9
Not as easy as proto-English. 

Do you even try to be right? It's crazy that you can't ever get one thing right, even by chance! 

The top SA team of 2015 were the Stormers! Not many of those Lions players were test caliber players. The players you considered to be unusable were the best Boks and many of whom ranked highly by the competitions end. It's purely your biased opinion that they weren't usable. When we point to lapses in games, it's the players you backed who pop up time and again. That's not bias, but fact. 

1 to 10 tests is enough to stake a claim. Just one loss in the RC is enough to cost a coach his job. You yourself still hold Meyer accountable for things your little darling buds of disaster conjured up themselves. Do you blame Goosen for Dunedin, Damian for Australia 2015, Lambie for Australia 2014, Kriel for Japan, Lood and Damian for the NZ WC loss? Of course not. There in lies the problem, we can't wait for players to rack up 50 caps before they decide to be good. Lambie is a 50 cap Bok, where did that get the Boks? And in any case, you were perfectly fine with Damian and Kriel in 2015. You aggressively defended them. Now you backpeddle. Old man Lügnerin frantically swimming in circles!! 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Jul 2019, 10:10
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21 Jul 2019, 10:10#10

Mike-baiting as a sport won't make it to TV broadcast. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 10:45
#11
21 Jul 2019, 10:45#11

Have faith Herr Draht! 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jul 2019, 11:02
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21 Jul 2019, 11:02#12

There is no way those slamming Rassie have not had the EGG land. Hahahaha. 

I remind the Du Toit bashers what Mallet said - Steph is world class and possibly the best 7 in world rugby. Those trashing Du Toit have come a cropper every match so far.

Those saying Du Toit is slow need to visit the optician!

To call a great poor is a blunder. Best get on board the Steph train oaks. Steph is already a great. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jul 2019, 11:05
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21 Jul 2019, 11:05#13

The criticisms of Kriel are also BS. The Oz were defending well out wide.

Moz I noted how Nkosi couldnt catch that Oz loosi e and asked whether he lacked pace. Is Dyanti injured? 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Jul 2019, 11:06
#14
21 Jul 2019, 11:06#14
The Steph train, making 1.7m an hour. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2019, 11:49
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21 Jul 2019, 11:49#15

No liar the fact is the top team in 2015 SR series was the Lions - as was the case in 2016 and 2017,   Meyer emptied the hospital wards when selecting players - some had no games for up to 18 months and some he could not use during the campaign because they should never have been in the squad in the first instance.   

I think that you are so used to lying that another lie would go unnoticed.      


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