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Three Changes for the All Blacks for TRC Squad, by LIAM NAPIER

Started by Just_win14 REPLIES174 VIEWS· 27 Jul 2014, 01:28
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jul 2014, 01:28
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27 Jul 2014, 01:28#1

Intense competition could force three changes to the All Blacks' Rugby Championship squad named tomorrow.

All Blacks coach Steve Hansen faces some welcome selection headaches. Barring any defections from the Crusaders' Super Rugby semifinal against the Sharks in Christchurch last night, Hansen and fellow selectors, Ian Foster and Grant Fox, have a near fully fit and in-form contingent to pick from.

Dan Carter, Charles Piutau and Sam Cane are the major additions expected to bolster the 31-man squad that will attempt to defend the Rugby Championship crown, maintain their 11-year stranglehold of the Bledisloe Cup and secure a world record 18th successive test victory in the tournament-opener in Sydney on August 16.

Carter missed the June series sweep over England because of his six-month sabbatical, while Piutau and Cane suffered late knee injuries.

Cane has grown in stature over the past 12 months and will be recalled to support Richie McCaw at openside flanker, despite not featuring since fracturing a knee in early June. His inclusion puts the squeeze on the loose-forwards, where Victor Vito, who is believed to be carrying a back complaint, could feel the pinch.

After a well publicised early-season form slump with the Blues, which saw him dropped from the All Blacks before Cane's withdrawal, Steven Luatua is likely to be preferred over Vito.

Luatua has focused on improving his fitness and work-rate and is thought to have done enough in recent weeks to impress the selectors. His ability to cover lock is also deemed valuable, while Vito is predominantly seen as a No 8.

Kieran Read and Jerome Kaino will cover that role and with the All Blacks favouring four locks in their squad, Vito shapes as the unlucky omission.

Carter's return poses some interesting debates around first five-eighth, particularly around who gets the nod on the bench against the Wallabies with Aaron Cruden and Beauden Barrett both in sparkling touch. It also means Colin Slade - preferred at No 10 by Crusaders coach Todd Blackadder - will struggle to make the cut.

Piutau's recovery creates another conundrum. Dropping any of the established outside backs - Israel Dagg, Ben Smith, Julian Savea or Cory Jane - is unlikely. Therefore, midfield roles may be reduced and Ryan Crotty could be the casualty.

Highlanders star Malakai Fekitoa, the leading candidate for Super Rugby rookie of the year, is impossible to leave out on form. Just last week he served a reminder of his lethal attacking talents with another captivating individual try against the Sharks in Durban. That potential will see him backed to cover Ma'a Nonu and Conrad Smith's proven pairing, which could force Crusaders centre Crotty out of contention. Carter's ability to cover second-five also creates added cover.

Three halfbacks are again expected to be named, despite the Chiefs' Tawera Kerr-Barlow not getting a run against England.

The apprentice hooking scheme which involved the Chiefs' Nathan Harris and Highlanders' Liam Coltman in June may also continue throughout the home tests, but Dane Coles and Keven Mealamu will, initially at least, be relied on to fulfil those duties.

POSSIBLE ALL BLACKS SQUAD

Forwards: Tony Woodcock, Owen Franks, Ben Franks, Charlie Faumuina, Wyatt Crockett, Dane Coles, Keven Mealamu, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Patrick Tuipulotu, Dominic Bird, Richie McCaw, Kieran Read, Liam Messam, Jerome Kaino, Sam Cane, Steven Luatua.

Backs: Aaron Smith, TJ Perenara, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Dan Carter, Aaron Cruden, Beauden Barrett, Ma'a Nonu, Conrad Smith, Malakai Fekitoa, Israel Dagg, Ben Smith, Julian Savea, Cory Jane, Charles Piutau.

- Sunday Star Times

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jul 2014, 01:30
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27 Jul 2014, 01:30#2
"Hansen and fellow selectors, Ian Foster and Grant Fox, have a near fully fit and in-form contingent to pick from."  All Blacks are looking good, no real injuries to speak of.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
27 Jul 2014, 02:43
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27 Jul 2014, 02:43#3
 I we had Ranger it would be some nice icing !
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jul 2014, 10:02
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27 Jul 2014, 10:02#4
I think Ranger had a brain explosion or maybe he was on the piss when he signed that overseas contract. From what I remember it goes beyond the RWC so there is no way he can come back to NZ to qualify.
PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
27 Jul 2014, 10:20
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27 Jul 2014, 10:20#5
 Very solid team. Charles Piutau can cover full back and wing, Coles and aging Mealamu works well as long as Kev can last until after the RWC but need to bolster that area.
All Blacks forward pack will be extremely destructive this year, AB mid field has never been so lethal and SBW to come in possible by the end of year tour only adds to the already dangerous back-line. Ranger would struggle to get back in.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
27 Jul 2014, 11:14
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27 Jul 2014, 11:14#6
 Probably right about Ranger , our cup[s] indeed runneth over though! !
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jul 2014, 11:22
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27 Jul 2014, 11:22#7
 Yeah, if Ranger was available & selected it probably would only be as a bench player. I really like his skill level and strength & he was a master of getting turnovers.
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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
27 Jul 2014, 11:39
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27 Jul 2014, 11:39#8
 Ranger is a very skillful player guys, he's got the strengths of a horse and the speed of a cheetah, very difficult to stop once he kicks on.   

He stated that money for his family was the reason he was leaving, even the All Black selection couldn't keep him in New Zealand.  But from what I understood, his wife had a lot to say about the decision.

He probably wont be missed by the ABs since you have an over supply of that type of player.  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jul 2014, 11:49
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27 Jul 2014, 11:49#9
Trying to keep his wife happy is a noble thing. How well his family adjusts to living overseas in a different culture should not have been under-estimated.
Part of the problem was he was not sure at all that he would be selected as an All Black but right around the time he signed the contract he was on their radar. Classic case of "he should have asked first".
As an All Black he would have earned decent cash & he could have gone overseas in a couple of years for the big bucks. 
Ah well, all water under the bridge now. As you say ntanga we have plenty of talent in the outside backs anyway so no worries but I enjoyed watching him play.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jul 2014, 11:59
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27 Jul 2014, 11:59#10
A related article showing that the signings for AB players are well managed.
New deals for nine All Blacks
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
27 Jul 2014, 14:30
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27 Jul 2014, 14:30#11
 Really bad luck for Victor Vito, it seems that he's been making great efort during the season to fulfill Hansen & co's requests to put more aggressiveness and grunt on his game. The 2 short appearances from the bench on June tests were outstanding and showed he was on the right way. He deserves the chance to be there and I would put him before Messam in the picking order, IMO he's a best nº8 and could be a better blindside for what we saw last month.
Anyway, he and Messam would probably enter in the playing 23 squad in case of injuries. No doubt Kaino, McCaw and Read will start having Cane on the bench and Tuipulotu or Luatua covering the lock.

Matt Todd will be another unlucky one. At Super Rugby level he's better than Cane and I would no doubt choose him for that level. But Cane seems to be the preferred one for the coaching team and he proved them right in last yearr's RC, he was really outstanding.

When all the doubts about Coles have been removed after his great performances, the lack of a back up for him remains IMO the main problem. Mealamu can fill the spot during this RC but I doubt he'll be fit for it next year. Last June the AB scrum weakened when he was in
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Jul 2014, 14:41
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27 Jul 2014, 14:41#12
Vito still has a crack at getting into the team. A lot can happen (injuries, etc.) and we need him around. They will have to keep him living in hope or he may decide to go overseas.
PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
27 Jul 2014, 16:36
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27 Jul 2014, 16:36#13
 Vito is a great player... But,  has his ups and downs so Hansen has gone with a better option... like Luatua, although he's struggled this year with his fitness and was dropped from the England series. As far as loose forwards still have, Read, Messam, McCaw, Cane and wrecking machine KAINO!!! vito could take a spot over Luatua. I find when Luatua is in form he's very mobile and works well with the backs out-wide similar to Read with a handy off-load. Have to see how fit he is.
Over stocked with first five-eights.Beauden Barrett, Aaron Cruden, Colin Slade and Carter, who could rise above them all after this Final.
Patrick Tuipulotu 2 meters tall weighs in at 121 kilo another machine and could be a real standout for AB rugby in the future since Romano was out since May with a broken ankle, that opened the door for Patrick. Fekitoa, cant believe how good and quickly Fekitoa has progressed, another Charles Piutau....another year with exceptional depth and talent mixed with young and old. RC-BC will give us an idea.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
27 Jul 2014, 18:07
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27 Jul 2014, 18:07#14
liam messam and aaron cruden will be selected for the All Blacks and rightfully so, but their selections isnt going to be based on form, cos neither have it especially the latter. its going to be based on hansen trusting that they will deliver like they have in the past when the time comes.

luckily for us, dan carter is back to claim his rightful place as the incumbent 10, so we got nothing to worry about there.
and should prince carter get hit by another unfortunate injury, then barret will be there to cover the bench as crudz slots into 10.

i agree 100% with basquefan, vito IMO is not only ahead of messam, but miles ahead.'vitos contribution of the bench for the first two tests vs england was phenomenal, he added a ton of impact to the All Blacks cause, like that pilfer penalty which sealed englands fate in the 80 min mark. though his conrtibution was more then that act of sealing the win.

but lets face it, our looseforward trio is going to be 6 j kaino, 7 king richie, 8 k read, the crusader back rowers dont need any explenation, and kainos form since returing from the land of the rising sun has been off the hook.

i can see sam cane making it into the squad, but who will be on the bench??? smart money says its going to be messam.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
27 Jul 2014, 18:23
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27 Jul 2014, 18:23#15
 @ntagana,

"He stated that money for his family was the reason he was leaving, even the All Black selection couldn't keep him in New Zealand.  But from what I understood, his wife had a lot to say about the decision"

theres alot more to it then just that.

ranger after being overlooked for the All Blacks in the 2012 season, signed a contract in october 2012 to play for montipleier after the 2013 spXV.
he was IMO despondent with his continued All Blacks snubbing.

in 2013 he had his best season yet where he was breaking tackles almost at will and nearly every match he played for the blues was a ranger highlight reel.
around this time, ranger started making cryptic comments that his departing NZ for montipellier was in the hands of the All Blacks.
it was widely beleived that his current form which was impossible for hansen to ignore, was a stepping stool for ranger to break into the All Blacks and not just as a bit player like AB career had been to date.

the most interesting comment from ranger was that he wasnt under any obligation to go to montipelier and would look to enhance his AB career.

a week or so after the june test series vs the french, ranger revealed he would be leaving for france.
he had tried to get out of his contract, but because he had signed it already, he would have been forced to pay $300,000 out of his own pocket to do so, money he clearly did not have.
and the rest as they say is history.

IMO ranger prematurely signed the contract in 2012, and despite bis best efforts spurred by him on the cusp of his All Blacks dream, he was too late and was no longer able to get out of it.

he never had as u mentioned the choice of money and the All Blacks, when he signed the coinrtract in 2012, all he had was the money option.
my biggest beef with this whole debacle was, surely the NZRU could have forked out 300,000 to keep ranger in NZ, hes not ur average player IMO, and i havent seen anyone in recent years deliver consistent power house performances like ranger except folau.

hansen and the NZRU dropped the ball on that one IMO.
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