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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 14:43
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19 Jun 2013, 14:43#1

Ex Supersport

Springbok captain Jean de Villiers will be given until Friday to prove that he has fully recovered from a sternum injury, which has kept him off the training field thus far this week.

The Springboks face Samoa in the final match of the Castle Lager Incoming Series at Loftus Versfeld in Pretoria on Saturday. The team shows three changes – all of them in the pack – from the side which beat Scotland by 30-17 in Nelspruit last weekend.

The backline is unchanged from last weekend, apart from the doubt over De Villiers’ fitness.

If De Villiers can’t play, Jan Serfontein will start at inside centre, with Juan de Jongh coming onto the bench. Adriaan Strauss will then lead the Springboks to become South Africa’s 55th Test captain and Bryan Habana will take over the vice-captaincy.

“Jean is an integral member of our squad and we will give him all the time he needs to get back to full fitness,” said Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer.

“Luckily we have a strong group of leaders in the squad and if Jean doesn’t make it, Adriaan will take over the captaincy, with support provided by Francois Louw, Pierre Spies, Bryan Habana and Bismarck du Plessis.”

Upfront, the injured Arno Botha is replaced at flank by Willem Alberts, who has been struggling with a side strain.

Alberts, who has been training with the team this week, will have to pass a fitness test on Friday to prove that he has recovered fully from his injury. If he is not passed fit to play Samoa, Siya Kolisi will start in his place and Marcell Coetzee will be included on the bench.

Francois Louw returns on the other flank after missing last weekend’s match because of his wedding. The third and final change to the starting line-up is at lock, where Flip van der Merwe comes in for Juandré Kruger.

“Francois was always going to be back this week and Willem has been our first-choice ball carrier, so it’s been good to have them back on the training field,” said Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer.

“Because Willem is returning from an injury, we decided to start with him. Siya played very well last weekend and it is great to have someone of his versatility on the bench. We saw last week how valuable it is to have replacement players who can make a real impact late in the match.

“I’m happy that we’ve been able to keep some form of continuity during these Tests, especially in the backline, where a number of exciting new players have come in and put up their hands during Vodacom Super Rugby and in the last two weeks.”

Meyer said the match against Samoa will be a proper test for his squad.

“They have a strong squad and have benefited from having their best players compete in Vodacom Super Rugby and at the top club level in Europe, but our focus is on putting in an improved performance from last week,” said Meyer.

The Springbok team to face Samoa in Pretoria is:

15 Willie le Roux (GWK Griquas), 2 caps
14 Bryan Habana (DHL Western Province), 85
13 JJ Engelbrecht (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 3
12 Jean de Villiers (captain, DHL Western Province), 86 / Jan Serfontein (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 2
11 Bjorn Basson (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 8
10 Morné Steyn (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 44
9 Ruan Pienaar (Ulster, N-Ireland), 65
8 Pierre Spies (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 52
7 Willem Alberts (The Sharks), 20 / Siya Kolisi (DHL Western Province), 1
6 Francois Louw (Bath, England), 18
5 Flip van der Merwe (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 25
4 Eben Etzebeth (DHL Western Province), 13
3 Jannie du Plessis (The Sharks), 44
2 Adriaan Strauss (Toyota FS Cheetahs), 23
1 Tendai Mtawarira (The Sharks), 43
Replacements:
16 Bismarck du Plessis (The Sharks), 47
17 Trevor Nyakane (Toyota FS Cheetahs), 2
18 Coenie Oosthuizen (Toyota FS Cheetahs), 3
19 Juandré Kruger (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 10
20 Siya Kolisi (DHL Western Province), 1 / Marcell Coetzee (The Sharks), 14
21 Piet van Zyl (Toyota FS Cheetahs), 1
22 Pat Lambie (The Sharks), 22
23 Jan Serfontein (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 2 / Juan de Jongh (DHL Western Province), 14

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 14:46
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19 Jun 2013, 14:46#2

Well I am not that  happy but at least Meyer did do a few things to strengthen the pack.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2013, 15:48
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19 Jun 2013, 15:48#3
Beeno See my comments elsewhere. What few things did Meyer do to strengthen the forwards? I can see tow changes - the one beneficial and the other rather detrimental. Kruger out of the starting line-up is beneficial. Bringing Alberts in is pure and simple lunacy - taking into account his performances last year in the Championship and the two games he played in this year.. Lets look at Alberts performances last year in the Championship and EOYT last year - Alberts produced nothing much of value last year in tests if the following is borne in mind:- Ball Carries - 53 Distance Carrried - 106 meters Average per carry - 2 meters Ball losses - 7 Tackles made - 73 Tackles missed - 9 Line out Takes - 7 Penalties Conceded - 7 If it is borne in mind that most of his ball carries was against Argentina and Scotland (Carries 24 - distance gained - 77 meters - average 3,3 meters per carry) it is evident that against the stronger opposition he achieved virtually zero in ball carries. His tackle count for a loosie is low compared to what is expected and in this case too 31 of the tackles were in the three tests against Argentina and Scotland - in the remaining tests the count was very low. In Super 15 this year he played in only two games and the stats were as follows:- Alberts 0/0 0 1/3/4 4 0 0 0 1 4/1 0/ Alberts 0/0 0 0/3/7 6 0 1 0 0 14/5 0/ Alberts was disgustingly poor in the two games as is evidenced by the above stats Making 18 tackles and missing 6 are no good. And his 11 ball carries yielded 6 meters carried - ie less than 1 meter per carry. Alberts is added to the list of certain failures as well - there to join De Jongh (if he somehow ends up playing) Spies, Coetzee, Kruger, and Jannie Du Plessis. Steyn is also dicey - we do not know whether he is going to deteriorate further from his sub-par performance last Saturday.- if last years performance is taken into account, it might just happen. Pienaar was awful last week and Spies a bad investment, Marcel Coetzee was poor last week and Du Plessis a real liability.
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Bok -Bef$KClub Pro216 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:07
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19 Jun 2013, 16:07#4
All I'm going to say is "oooohhh blixem""!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:16
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19 Jun 2013, 16:16#5

ou maaaikie van graan has described Alberts as world class. To me when fully match fit he is. He needs however to be used more subtley. We are expecting a physical onslaught so Alberts will help out there.

Louw coming back is obvioulsy the right move. Flip in for Juandre  Well I am okay with this. I could be wrong but one expects the two packs to go hammer and tongs in the opening exchanges and Flip will cope better with that. However we do lose a bit of pace so I am glad at least Strauss was retained.

However to me Mike the problems are two props who are playing lethargic rugby. Can these two up the tempo. I was hoping for Trevor and Coenie.

Also I am very sorry that Labbers never got a shot. Man the guy has shown heart, skills, pace, lineout ability. How in the world can you ignore all that and play the sub par Spies. I would have liked Labbers as a linking forward covering the backline etc.

Your suggetion re JJ on the wing for the match was another change I hoped for.

Pienaar is a damp squid. Its weird - when he burst on the scence he was a brilliant runner with the ball. Where has that all gone to!!! He and Morne as a combo dont work. Morne needs a breaking, in your face scrummie in the Kockett mold not  a kicking link man. If we need tactical kicking leave it to Morne. Can Pienaar throw off the shackles and get stuck in?

The Samaons will provide a good test. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:27
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19 Jun 2013, 16:27#6
Beeno I have quoted the info on Alberts above - if Van Graan thinks that is world class - my best advice to him is go low on the alcohol consumption - he must really be drunk to think he can be kidding us all. I think - like in most recent Super 15 games - Alberts will be of zero value on Saturday. He was a disaster for the Sharks in the relevant two games and nobody can deny that. Same thing will happen on Saturday. I agree with you about the props - they should be on the bench and only brought on in an emergency. I have really lost faith in Meyer's ability to deal with selections objectively - what he comes up with looks more and more sick.. .
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:29
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19 Jun 2013, 16:29#7
Maaik apparently prefers wee Coetzee over Alberts, based on routine tackle counts. And he quotes hundreds of lines of stats about Alberts YE tour......leaving out the one crucial stat. Alberts had the relexes, skill and instant knowledge of the Laws, to score the winning try against the Poms. This was the most significant act of the tour and doesn't even warrant a mention in Maaik's biased world. One power tackle from Alberts is worth 10 process tackles from Coetzee. Meyer chose Alberts to add some grunt to the Bok loosies. He chose Flip vs Juandre for the same reason. I'm also puzzled why he didn't rest Jannie, but he obviously doesn't have much faith in his alternatives. Nor in truh have I, but the Samoans aren't big scrummagers.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:33
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19 Jun 2013, 16:33#8

From what I recall Alberts was very good on tour last year. My concern is he is not match fit and sharp. But hopefully will give us a good 50 minutes.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2013, 16:44
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19 Jun 2013, 16:44#9
Mozart I did not quote the try - because it really was a fluke and did not result from any ball carry of Alberts. I thave never before seen such a try being scored because the ball was kicked forward - by accident must add - it touched an English player and if that did not happen Alberts would have been hopelessly off-side. One power tackle being worth 10 other tackles - you really must be nuts to make a statement like that. A low tackle count can never be off-set by so-called power tackles. He is so slow he cannot get to anywhere near to most players and his so-called power tackles are rare and in the matches this year disastrously poor as well. So he missed so many tackles because of power tackles - when you tried to justify De Jongh's failures in defence - same story again.. . Let me put it bluntly - if Alberts does play on Saturday - he is bound to be a failure. So lets wait and see what happens and then see who is right and who wrong.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 17:11
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19 Jun 2013, 17:11#10

Looking at the bench andthe number of caps one can see Meyer values experience. He obviously doesnt like the Starting 15 to have to many test greenhorns.

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jun 2013, 17:12
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19 Jun 2013, 17:12#11
Once again.....whoooooosh...right over you head. Sure it was a fluke, but that doesn't mean there wasn't skill involved in scoring the try. Alberts had to instantly recognize a Pom had touched the ball, instantly react to the rules, track the crazily bouncing ball, secure it and score. There was a lot of nous involved and a less alert player would have bungled the whole thing. Everybody focuses on the fluke, missing Alberts' role. - As for the power tackler versus the routine tackler. If not Coetzee, then Kolisi, if not Kolisi then Labuschagne.....these routine tackles are not hard, a high count simply says you were in that spot in phase player. The huge hits like Alberts makes are rare in a game, but lift your team and often provide turnover ball. They are punctuation marks of much greater value than routine phase tackling.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2013, 17:55
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19 Jun 2013, 17:55#12
The ball skills showing in scoring that try of Alberts can be equated to what you expect from a sic-t=year-old.- the ball is in front of you - you fall on it - whoola and a try is scored. Crap about so-called power tackles. If they hap[pen it is an accident and Labuschagne made more in a single game (ie tackle players backwards and causing turnovers in possession or penalties) than Alberts made in the past 18 months - and he missed less tackles in the past three months than Alberts missed in his last two games. Your interpretations are really scary - you cant be serious about the statements made because they are so one-eyed. false and poor - it is unbelievable
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 Jun 2013, 18:35
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19 Jun 2013, 18:35#13

its not quite the team i would have picked, but more then capable of beating a dangerous looking manu samoa team.

having flip over kruger is not all bad, with du toit injured there was no other real option and kruger hasnt made the most of his two starts.

alberts selection is understandable with the big manu samoa boys, and some of the points mozter made about the boomfa tackles that alberts can produce will be key, i have doubts on wether were going to see them though.

spies can cosider himself fortuante, cos right now his selection can only be justified on his level of experience, his form and impact in the green jersey has been below average.
if meyer insists on playing him, maybe he should start on the bench??? could give spies a wake up call to pull finger.

like many here i cant help but feel for lappies who is more deserved of a shot, IMO he deserves a chance to stake his Boks claims, even more then all the other loose forwards who will/might be playing on sat.
his non selection is just a waste and i only hope hansen dosent follow suit regarding steven luatua who is in the exact same boat.

we all know JDV time is coming to an end, but he still has plenty to offer in the immediate future, but i cant help but salivate at the thought of a possible serfontein/englebrecht midfiled combo.
the bulls midfiled has the potential to be one of the worlds best center pairing and every bit as good as the JDV/fourie combo which was also world class. at least until ranger becomes the incumbent All Blacks 13 and SBW returns with that shinning look on his face saying "heres johnny", lolz, :oP

i see de jong might get called onto the bench, i would of preferred ebehrson TBH, i also think ebherson has the potential to be a good winger, but u could easily move jj out one to accomodate ebherson, something that i think will happen anyways with de jong. i hope mikeys all right, hes been a bit quielt lately, maybe the de jong selection finally got him flying over the cuckoos nest, lolz, hope thats not the case, :o)

one advantage about the scotland test was. is that thesocts did the manu samoa team no favours with the Boks now on red alert after that wake up call. Boks will now go up a gear and its why im thinking they will win by a comfortable margin, but im still looking forwrad to the match, :o)

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 18:46
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19 Jun 2013, 18:46#14

Fair comment there saSUE. There surely can be no complacency.

I fully agree re Lappies - he surely was the most deserving of the loosies to get a start. Spies must be running out of chances. 

I await with interest the Boks efforts to get quick ball and its effect on the backline

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Jun 2013, 23:20
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19 Jun 2013, 23:20#15

 Flip in at 5? I suppose he and Eben will share the 5 role, but it is still a good move. Looking forward to see more of " ze German battleship"

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jun 2013, 23:29
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19 Jun 2013, 23:29#16

Hi there DbD good to hear from you again. I note you also think Kolbe could make a scrummie given that brilliant try he scored from the scrummie position.

Meyer certainly didnt ring the changes not wanting too much disruption. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jun 2013, 02:49
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20 Jun 2013, 02:49#17

Wrong again Maaik, he didn't fall on the ball, he gathered it and powered over the line. You are lying again.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2013, 04:11
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20 Jun 2013, 04:11#18
Mozart "He gathered it and powered over the line". That really is a joke - there was not even one attempted tackle - so how did he "powers his way over the line"? That is a lie - and a total misrepresentation of facts. The reality was that he got the fall circa 1 meter from the goal line and dell on it scoring a try. No attempted tackles - no "powering over the line either" Distortion of facts is a friend of yours or regularly used by you - not so? The latter is confirmed by the EDPN Scrum stats for the game which were as follows:- Alberts 1/0 5 0/0/3 4 0 0 0 0 10/2 1/1 1 0/0 Alberts handled the ball 3 times for a total gain of 4 meters - ie just about 1,25 meters carry on average - with NO Tackles beaten. Looking at the above stats shows one other thing - other than the 10 "system tackles" made by him - Alberts missed to tackles/ He caught one line-up ball thown at him and buggered up another one - and he also gave away a penalty. The "system tackles" of Alberts in that game was high - his avvergage in fact is between and 6 per test match played, Come to think about it = in the competition for the WORST PLAYER in the test side in that specific match - Alberts was beaten by a short head by De Jongh - another favourite of yours.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jun 2013, 05:11
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20 Jun 2013, 05:11#19

 On the contrary he is tackled by the English number 6 a metre out and carries him over the line. When did the truth become optional?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,298 posts
20 Jun 2013, 05:32
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20 Jun 2013, 05:32#20

 Watch the try here to decide

 

It is the whole match but starts just before the phase before the try. 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Jun 2013, 05:51
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20 Jun 2013, 05:51#21

the clip that sharkbok provided u can find the incident in question on the 1:01:10 mark 1hr, 10mins 10secs.

mikey is right in that it the try didnt need any skill or power what so ever, alberts was in the right place at the right time.
did alberts instantly recognise that he was onisde??? dont know about that, IMO it was just normal rugby instinct that made him grab the ball when it presented itself.

IMO right place right time sums up alberts try.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jun 2013, 06:20
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20 Jun 2013, 06:20#22

Disagree.....the ball lands in front of him, and bounces low. Alberts has only the top of the ball in his hands as he is tackled by the English 6 and one other player over the line....it would have been easy to spill it. To sum up, he needed to make a quick decision he was on side, track the ball....you can see him following it he wasnt in a place, he moved to a place, he had to take a low bounce right up against his legs....and not lose the ball in contact,.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2013, 08:25
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20 Jun 2013, 08:25#23
Mozart No special skills needed for that try and as to "powering over the line? an outright falsehood. As to spilling of the ball in the process - fairly standard with Alberts if the number of possession losses in all the tests he played in - is taken into account. But if he spilled that one - he was not worth having on the field of play at all - since the rest of his contribution in that test was minimal. Game, set and match - as per normal I won this argument as well. Big talk about achievement - but we will see what this low-productive player produces on Saturday.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jun 2013, 08:44
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20 Jun 2013, 08:44#24
Let me help you read the stats Maaaik. When you see 1/1 in the lineout stat that means the player , Alberts in this case, won a ball on his own throw and stole a ball on opposition throw. He didn't "bugger one up". When you have a better grasp of the numbers, do let's chat again.
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JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
20 Jun 2013, 11:13
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20 Jun 2013, 11:13#25

 I don't think we should question whether there was skills involved in that try, what do you expect? loosie doing steps and offload skills? Alberts did what he can, powering over the line, short ball creating phases is what they do best with ball in hand. Alberts did well to control the ball in that try, he's a suitable player that will most likely do better than Marcell Coetzee. However Kolisi is also good enough to be included in the starting 15 this week not just because of his superb performance last week but he's also played well consistently for the Stormers this year, that being said i think he deserves more game time. 

If this team doesn't control the breakdown the same issues will occur like the previous match, the momentum will be rather one sided. I'm expecting a slight improvement in that area but the confindence and discipline has to be right. We do need specialist fetchers but in order to get a player that is capabe of doing that there needs to be a indication that the player can do more than just be good at fetching at the breakdown which i don't know if there is at this stage.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2013, 13:00
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20 Jun 2013, 13:00#26
Lucid The problem is that Meyer has been moaning about effective ball recovery at breakdown points - in which all players have a role to play - with the loosies being especially important in the relevant regard. However, mainly because of inadequate performance in the relevant regard in the past two tests - Meyer is still moaning about it. Problem is that the loosies selected by him - other than Louw and to a lesser extent Botha - are not capabale to recover such balls effectively and is ineffective in maul situations. Neither Spies, Coetzee and Kolisis can claim a role in that specific area of rugby performance. Kolisi had a surprisingly good game against the Scots - but in Super 15 this year he was indeed questionable and his tackle count was comparatively low and ball carrying few and far between. Will there be a repeat performance on test level? I have my doubts. Whether you like it or not - Alberts has been sub-standard in 2012 and as to performance at breakdown points - he is too slow to have and impact - he will arrive too late to be effective. Alberts himself suffers from low tackle ratio in tests and if his ball carrying stats over the last 18 months is anything to go by - he is ineffective in that area as well. Meyer has an insane idea that the number 7 flank must be a spare lock - and that is a problem that opponents regard as a weakness in our team. I do not think that there will be a marked improvement in performances against Samoa - I think there are way to many sub-par performers in that team. Players should be selected with due regard to form and not on some crazy selection ideas. If the performance on Saturday is poor - even a small margin win is unacceptable and a loss a catastrophe - all hell is going to break loose about Meyer and his team selection. Meyer at the end of 2012 made a comment that he made selection errors - but then went ahead and made even worse errors in his selections for the EOYT. We are now stuck with the worst selections still - because he only select players who were in the EOYT squad - the only exceptions being the two players brought in as a result of injury and Jan Serfontein. For the rest he ignores performances of players in Super 15 and we now sits with donkeys like Spies, Kruger and Jannie du Plessis (who is lately not even in the Sharks starting line-up nowadays). Add to that the very average Basson, (non-existent Super 15 form), Alberts (a disaster in the two games he played on Super 15 level this year), Pienaar who was sub-par for Ulster this year) and the ever vulnerable Morne Steyn - who went to pieces in the tests last year and showed signs of the same on Saturday - and half the team is sub-par or has the potential to normally be so. You cannot go into test with half of the players under-performing. That is why I am so disappointed in Meyer's player selections - but we will see whether there is an improvement on Saturday or whether the Meyer disease is in full swing or not..
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jun 2013, 18:43
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20 Jun 2013, 18:43#27
OOm Maaaik have you been educated?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2013, 14:21
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21 Jun 2013, 14:21#28

Moz you have to tip your hat to Mike. He has stuck his kneck out and boldly stated the Boks could win, draw or lose the  test agains tSamoa. You have to admire the keen insight and boldness of the prediction.

As I said elsewhere anyone disagreeing with Mike on this matter has NO clue.

IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
21 Jun 2013, 14:26
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21 Jun 2013, 14:26#29

Mike is right Alberts is a bit of a soft spot in the Bok pack. Jannie, Alberts, louw and few on the bench are very slow immobile players. alberts is very strong but very slow. i think he does better in tight tests in wet conditions because his power game can hit you head on but he got exposed (the whole loose trio against new zealand) for their lack of mobility and skills. samoa have good pace, strength, mobility and skills from 1 to 8. they will have better ball retention and thats going to be a big problem.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jun 2013, 15:03
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21 Jun 2013, 15:03#30
Beeno You miss the point completely as to what I tried to convey - a small margin win, a draw or a loss can be regarded as a disaster given the circumstances and would show that Meyer's selections are a prelude to what is going to happen in the RC - a bad performance sequence by the sub-par players Meyer insists on playing. Ihi Welcome to th panel - you have shown exactly what tired to drive home all the time. The idea to play a third lock like Alberts as a loosie is rubbish - since our loosies already lack speed to get around the field of play, I cn live with Louw - at least although not the quickest around - he has ball sense. I do not believe Spies is really a no 8 - he has speed - but nothing else and is neither a good defender nor a food attacking player. My great hope was Botha - but he is injured now. I am not a believer in Kolisi - as I still think he has serious deficiencies and he is likely not to be able to show much in future tests. Coetzee did not have a good year in Super 15 this year and also produced nothing in the test last week. The latter will have to develop further before he can be a confident selection. Meyer should rather have gone with a proven 7 at 7 - a player like Labuscgagne - and called back Stander to play at 8.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2013, 15:47
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21 Jun 2013, 15:47#31

Mike I also have some concerns as to the speed of the loose trio. Spies doesnt do enough and I would have dropped him and played labbers who has a brillian tackle count. As I suggested and Meyer confirmed - Spies is running out of chances.
Arno is a big loss. Coetzee and Kolisi are not ready yet.

From what Stander said it is clear he has set his sights elsewhere.

EK
EkPro1,464 posts
21 Jun 2013, 15:59
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21 Jun 2013, 15:59#32

 Agreed that the loose trio is a bit on the slow side, faster with spies there than it was with Vermeulen. Alberts has not really had the gametime this year to validate a bok spot. Coetzee seems out of form. 

Would an option of Louw, Lappies and Kolisi at 8 not solve both speed issues and keep the workrate where it should be?

Sorry that Botha is injured he would have made a good option at 8 then you could have used Kolis or Lappies of the bench. No use tryin to cry over Stander. he is gone we need to accept that. We have enough loosies around in the country for that loss not to be a trainsmash.

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