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Time for All Blacks to send world a message; by LIAM NAPIER

Started by Just_win16 REPLIES175 VIEWS· 18 Jun 2014, 09:22
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Jun 2014, 09:22
#1
18 Jun 2014, 09:22#1

Changes at No 8 and centre are certain, but the desire to emphatically sweep England and dent the tourist's self-belief could limit tweaks to the All Blacks this week.

Kieran Read's first appearance for the All Blacks this season will force an intense debate about whether Liam Messam or Jerome Kaino gets the nod at blindside flanker.

After being given last week to build his fitness and conditioning after his lengthy recovery from concussion, Read came through training in Hamilton yesterday unscathed and assistant coach Ian Foster said that he was hungry to make a starting return.

"The signs are good. He certainly trained well today," Foster said. "We had to kick him out of a few spots. He was a bit eager. He's raring to go and trained like that today. I can't see him playing 80 [minutes] but we'd love to get him on the park."

Having imposed his physical presence during the last two tests from the boot of the scrum, Kaino is probably more suited to cover Read than Messam, which, ironically, may see him start from the bench.

"If Reado is in the starting line-up we need to make sure we've got good cover for him later on in the game," Foster said. "Both Jerome and Liam have had significant workloads of late. It is tough but only because they're both playing well."

Losing Conrad Smith's calm head in the midfield, coupled with Read's return, could make the selectors opt for a largely settled line-up elsewhere. Improvements were made in Dunedin, but this group has yet to fully meet internal expectations.

"We don't feel we've put the foot on the throat to the point we want to," Foster said. "There's already going to be some change, it's a matter of how much more we want to do."

To take another step and send the English home with plenty to ponder, minimising disruptions may be the favoured approach. On that basis Aaron Cruden could retain the first five-eighth role, despite growing pressure from Beauden Barrett, who is eagerly awaiting his first test start at 10.

"Has Beauden put his hand up? Yes he has," Foster said. "The clear message for him is he needs to keep working on his game. There's not a big shift he needs to make to get a starting position. It's just going to be time."

Smith's broken thumb is expected to pave the way for Malakai Fekitoa to make his first start at centre, in what would be a powerful combination with Ma'a Nonu.

Ryan Crotty is the other option, but to a certain extent the selectors already know what they will get from him. Giving Fekitoa a crack appears to carry more upside.

"He's had some reasonable game-time and he seemed to have a nice calmness about him," Foster said of the breakout Highlanders star. "He did some basic things very well without doing the flash stuff. That's been the key at test level."

Back on his adopted home track, Cruden made it clear that he would be disappointed not to start. The 25-year-old, who yesterday committed to New Zealand rugby through to 2017, agreed that Fekitoa's probable inclusion would require an adjustment from the backline.

"Malakai is a different type of player to Conrad so if he's given the 13 jersey you'll have to work the combinations and do a lot of the little work that doesn't get noticed to find the sweet spots for each other."

- Stuff

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Jun 2014, 09:29
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18 Jun 2014, 09:29#2
No announcement  on starting line  up but sounds like Read to start & to be subbed by Kaino.  Sounds like Makakai to start with Crotty on the bench.  
We will see if this is journo speculation or not. Sounds  reasonable. 
Looking forward to seeing Reid again & to see Fekitoa get more game time. He will give the English a different set of problems .
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Jun 2014, 10:47
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18 Jun 2014, 10:47#3
 
They should by rights start with Kaino and bring Read on from the bench.

The only message I've seen from you guys so far is that you won the first test with the aid of the ref and the English pushed you to within 1 pt last weekend ... and that in your own back yard.

You guys are ripe for the picking. Not much of a message if you ask me.

Go England!!!!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Jun 2014, 10:57
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18 Jun 2014, 10:57#4

In retrospect, even if these games have pushed us they are warm-up games. The RC is the real contest. Of course we want to win the tests against England but in comparison to playing OZ and the Boks these are second rate games.

 

ABs are cranking up the machine & it will be well functioning afterwards.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Jun 2014, 10:59
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18 Jun 2014, 10:59#5
 
You guys are pushing a 1000 test caps ... did I see right?


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2014, 11:19
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18 Jun 2014, 11:19#6
 I am not sure that the AB"s would improve substantially.  There are some serious problems around and those cannot be settled easily.
The first problem is the under-par performances of McCaw.  He was iffy in the first test and worse in the second test.   Hansen should seriously klook whether it is worthwhile to retain him in the team.
Kaino was red-hot in the first test and average in the second test - the best AB player that day.   Read this year in Super 15 was anything but good and I would say they have a bit of a problem at 8 as well - irrespective of who starts in the match  
Cruden was hesitant in both tests and not really the top flyhalf that we are used to see in an AB team.   Barrett may be the answer - but it seems that he is not really liked by Hansen - maybe his defense is problematic.  Carter is on his way back - but would he sabbatical have helped bearing in mind it did not work wonders for McCaw?
Nonu is playing a dangerous game - taking out defenders to create holes for the AB players to run through.   He did it repeatedly in both tests and the referee only penalized him after the second offence on Saturday - that is after the English team members reminded the referee to look out for repe ated incidents of the relevant nature.  Off the ball incidents is not only dangerous to the recipient - it is unprofessional play and Refs may start yellow-carding him if he continues in present vein.         
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Jun 2014, 11:28
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18 Jun 2014, 11:28#7
 
The All Blacks have mastered the "off the ball" stuff.

To beat them you have to beat the ref and the other officials supposedly there to check for a "fair" contest.

It's become ridiculous!!

Go England!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2014, 11:49
#8
18 Jun 2014, 11:49#8
 Read ou disappeared in the match where England clobbered the abs. Will he do the same?
So far the message is England winning the first two tests save for the ref.
JW thus far the message is the writing is on the wall.
Cain ou felt the heat!!
We shall see how it goes. the wee abs have to send a message that they can still be considered WC c ontenders. Can they do it one wonders.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Jun 2014, 13:26
#9
18 Jun 2014, 13:26#9

16 wins in a row and counting

 

Everything else is speculation.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2014, 13:26
#10
18 Jun 2014, 13:26#10
 Well Cloudy it could have been harsh. Maybe something will happen and they will be considered as contenders.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:18
#11
18 Jun 2014, 14:18#11
 
Hey Beandip ... stop fraternizing with the enemy ... !!
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:29
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18 Jun 2014, 14:29#12
Talking of bent refs, did you notice Bismarck's blatant reaching over the ruck near the end of the test and snaffling the ball when the Welsh were only 2-3 metres from the Bok line?Was Roman Poite EVER going to yellow card him in this game?....not likely boys!!
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:44
#13
18 Jun 2014, 14:44#13
 Cloudy the operative word is "maybe"
England I believe are missing key players? If so how can one possibly imagine the abs beating England at home! OZ are clealry on the rise and the abs on a decline. Boks - provided Myer steers the ship correctly look to be WC winners.
CC the kbbs are not enemies just lost folk trying to understand rugby.
I see moooo la is squealing about Bissie again. Really I think Bissie is a recurring nightmare for the kiwis. Certainly Dan has never been the same since "meeting" Bissie! Maybe the sabatical he took to get over it might have he lped 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:49
#14
18 Jun 2014, 14:49#14
Who have the Boks beaten lately ? Don't transfer your anxiety onto the RwC champions guys, it won't stick, lol 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:53
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18 Jun 2014, 14:53#15
Beeno: Bismarck is our fail safe. He will always detonate & destroy the Boks chances. He is good for Bok supporters though because they can then trot out the "bent ref" line & they are more comfortable with this than winning.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2014, 15:47
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18 Jun 2014, 15:47#16
 JW are you saying the tackle on Dan was not a legitmate tackle?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Jun 2014, 15:49
#17
18 Jun 2014, 15:49#17

No that was fair enough & forgotten a long time ago.

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