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Time for some hard decisions

Started by Beeno116 REPLIES388 VIEWS· 20 Sept 2015, 20:40
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Sept 2015, 20:40
#1
20 Sept 2015, 20:40#1
Per Brendon Nel of Supersport

There is no sugar-coating it – this is the lowest point in Springbok rugby history.

From the depths of the 49-0 loss to Australia in Brisbane, the 53-3 loss to England at Twickenham and the 16-52 loss to the All Blacks at Loftus Versfeld, the Boks have been down to the bottom before, but never to this level.

There is no way to find a positive in the carnage that was Brighton Community Stadium on Saturday. Like a car crash, too horrible to watch, too fascinating to turn away.

The might of Springbok rugby was humbled. And by a team that nobody would give a chance.

The coaching staff and players need to take collective responsibility for this mess (the term I used), for turning the Springbok dream at the World Cup into a nightmare. For putting scorn on the very jersey they proclaim to be proud to uphold.

It isn’t easy to keep perspective in the haze of anger and emotion that follows any Springbok loss. It is a tough sell to try and look a bit ahead and see the bigger picture, rather than join the angry mob looking for someone to lynch.

But after Saturday’s defeat there are simply no positives. There are no good things to say. Japan were superb. They played out of their skins and they were tactically superior. They deserved the win, they deserve the accolade, but it's hard to sit here and not think the Boks played into their hands.

While I don’t subscribe to the hysteria that the more experienced players should be discarded, the Boks were naïve to think they could play their way back into form. In doing that they offered a weakness, one which was quickly exploited by Eddie Jones.

One shudders to think what a bigger side would have done on Saturday.

In essence the Boks were arrogant, they were overconfident. At no point did they – nor we for that matter – ever entertain the thought they could actually lose to Japan.

And it showed in their play. Turning down points by not kicking at goal was the first step. Every team knows that building a lead is the underlying basis for any side. Keeping the scoreboard ticking over would have lifted some of the pressure. Fifteen points were on the table and not taken in the game.

The Boks also spoke the whole week about not falling into the trap of playing a pacy game. They talked about controlling the pace of the game. And yet, when on the field, they did exactly the opposite. They tried to match the pace of Japan and made mistakes.

Their maul worked well at the start, but the Boks discarded this to continually use one-off runners that didn’t make an impact.

And then when they did get ahead, they should have shut up shop and sent the ball to the corners and mauled some more. It may not have been pretty, but it would have been a hell of a lot better than waking up on Sunday to a defeat.

The pressure is on now, from the coaching staff who must get the selections right this week to the players who need to close ranks and perform against a tough Samoan side. There is no more line in the sand to cross.

While the coach has backed his players up to now, the time is long overdue for some tough decisions. Sentiment needs to be discarded and decisions need to be made that will bring some attacking spark back to the Boks.

Some hard decisions need to be made – even if it means dropping the captain Jean de Villiers. The plan has failed. It’s time for some new, innovative thinking.

This week will determine just how much there is left in Springbok rugby. There is no lower they can go and only they can redeem themselves.

The alternative is too ghastly to contemplate.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Sept 2015, 20:43
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20 Sept 2015, 20:43#2
 Discard some of these old hands and have them on the bench. Put matfiled on pla ne home though!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Sept 2015, 20:59
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20 Sept 2015, 20:59#3
Kirchner, Mvovo, Jea n, Pienaar, Jannie, Matfield and Louw must go....all utterly useless these days.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
20 Sept 2015, 23:37
#4
20 Sept 2015, 23:37#4
Lambie, Pienaar, Louw, Steph, Bismarck and Jean were where we lost this game. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Sept 2015, 23:55
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20 Sept 2015, 23:55#5
Bullshit.....PSDT is class act.
Top of the list to go is the utterly useless Matfield.
He along with Kirchner, Mvovo, Habana, Jean, Morne, Pienaar, du Preez, Paige, Jannie, Matfield, Louw, Alberts and Schalk should never have been in the squad in the first place.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Sept 2015, 00:39
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21 Sept 2015, 00:39#6
Discard Kirchner, Mvovo, Lambie, Coenie, the Beast, Stephanie, Kolisi....tell Kriel if he misses one more standard open field tackle to lose a WC match his passport is revoked. 
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
21 Sept 2015, 00:46
#7
21 Sept 2015, 00:46#7
Steph did what he has done all year... nothing. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Sept 2015, 02:46
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21 Sept 2015, 02:46#8
Balls and BS on the part of both Mozart and DF - will you never, ever learn that players selected on reputation alone without regard to performance is a recipe for disaster?  Who the hell is Bekker in that WC squad or did I miss something?   
I cannot believe you two Village Idiots.   Play Matfield at lock and bring in Alberts who have flopped constantly for years now and another flop who should never have been in that squad.   He must be in the team - because Matfield is not a lock anymore?   he adds lots of Fat and weight - provided he can get to the point where breakdowns occur - which is a rarity.   Cannot protect breakdown balls or recover same - cannot tackle and missed as many as he makes.  Cannot last 40 minutes in any game he plays in.  Yet ypou want him in the team.  To do what?            
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Sept 2015, 04:31
#9
21 Sept 2015, 04:31#9
 Not blaming the ref for our woeful display, but french refs give me the creeps ....as if we jinxed with em .
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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
21 Sept 2015, 04:33
#10
21 Sept 2015, 04:33#10
Question???Can we possibly hand the captaincy to Burger again,So we can rid ourselves of Victoria and Jean????
Play Burger at 6 - Release louw to bask in Bath.Steph and fat Alberts at 7Man mountain at 8 - if fit.Fourie and Rudy at 9- Send Pienaar to Syria.De Allende and Kriel - Centre pairingHabana Pietersen and Willie back 3. No other options ans our wingers are kak.
 
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
21 Sept 2015, 04:56
#11
21 Sept 2015, 04:56#11
Damian has been worse than Jean, all year. Statistically and factually the worst defensive centre in Super rugby! 
09.Du Preez10.Morne11.Habana12.Pollard13.Kriel14.Damian15.Willie
This will work fine. 
06.Louw07.Schalk07.Duane
About the best we can do right now.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Sept 2015, 05:34
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21 Sept 2015, 05:34#12
 This is about s bad as we can go -  Morne the destroyer of the Perth test last year had no tests since then - and was routinely the Stade Francais bench player for Top 14 but for two matches at the end of the Stade Francais Top 14 season when Plisson was injured, must be in the team.   
So move Pollard to 12 and move the best performing 12 in Super 15 in the whole competition this year to 14.   That is what is a sure recipe for disaster - the whole backline be disrupted to bring in the worst flyhalf we had since 2000 - the most clueless one as well whose execution - other than kicking at goal - is absolute BS.   
Then bring in Alberts - who had 3 games since June 2014 and flopped badly in all three.  By far the worst loosie we had since 2000 as well.  What must he achieve by being in the team?  Augment the disastrous deficiencies of Matfield as a lock forward.
Look - if there was any logic in the above one can understand it - but there is none.   You want to take the average team age to 31 years of age and most of the over-20's are in Meyer's squad based on reputation - not on performance.    
Have you ever heard about the term match-fitness?  Probably not,  since you apparently forget about the fact that since -
*   Morne had in total about 6 matches playing time since his disaster in the Perth test last year; and 
*   Alberts had three matches in 14 months where he played for a maximum of 60 minutes per game - being disastrously poor in all three.
Poor Morne - he only missed 50% of his attempted tackles in the Perth test last year and in the last Stade Francis game he played in.   Do you want to take the missed tackles o 70% of all attempted tackles and make him the all-time missed tackle champion?.  
Blaas my siel!!!!!!!!!         
MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
21 Sept 2015, 06:07
#13
21 Sept 2015, 06:07#13
Desert Fox,I've tried to be open minded, and accept that I dont have the answers myself, BUT for the life of me I cannot understand why you would disrupt things further by your selections and positional changes.I can only deduct that you are taking the mickey!  
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
21 Sept 2015, 06:23
#14
21 Sept 2015, 06:23#14
Damian is not a 12 at all, and Jean is so far past his best he is embarrassing himself. Under those circumstances we can only work with what is available in the squad. 
Pollard is a more talented player than either of them and can actually carry the ball up, something Damian has failed to do all year. 
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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
21 Sept 2015, 06:45
#15
21 Sept 2015, 06:45#15
Morne sound defensively! Now I know you're just on here to take the pi55.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Sept 2015, 06:58
#16
21 Sept 2015, 06:58#16
 Damian had the best carry record of any 12 in Super 15 - breaking 73 tackles.   That while your hero Fat Fransie managed to break 9 tackles in all the games he played in.  Do you know what is required from a 12 - I doubt is very, very much.   In your deluded mind you carry on about the best option available - in reality you are dead wrong.   Morne sound defensively  - I try to stop laughing, but really am LMAO.          
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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
21 Sept 2015, 07:11
#17
21 Sept 2015, 07:11#17
I'm of the opinion that there's no point in crying over spilled milk, but rather lift yourself and move on, one of which I acknowledge is easier said than done.Meyer hasn't just spilled the milk,  there's a whole dairy pi55ing down Voortrekker Straad.
Not only for the most embarrassing loss in South African sporting History, but for his entire tenure, Meyer is the worst we've had.
The Springboks still have my support but f**k me it's wearing thin.
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