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Time to swing the Axe, which boks would you drop and who would you replace them with

Started by kingcorn53 REPLIES1,277 VIEWS· 27 Sept 2022, 10:21
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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
27 Sept 2022, 10:21
#1
27 Sept 2022, 10:21#1

Time to clean house. My logic is based on performance and the amount of game time each player has played. It doesn't mean that they should completely dropped but I do believe we need fit and match hardened players. We saw how our standards dropped either when we bring in players in from the cold or those who have lacked game time. We saw how poor Jantjies performed after only playing 35 min of game time. Duane could not last more than 30 min neither could Dweeb, even though he was fit but not ready for an intense test match against the AB. Frans Steyn has been playing in a sub par currie cup and his shape shows that. Time to reward those players that perform in the URC and should get preferential treatment, those playing in Europe should only be considered if there is a lack of experience in first class games. Then those who are in Japan, other than Marx should be placed on standby. Du Toit, Le Roux, Elton etc have all been under par. 


Here are the players on my chopping block


Prop: Trevaaa, didn't do anything and we got weaker. Thomas Du Toit should replace


Hooker: Dweeb, the guy needs to have a solid season at the stormers. Gobbler should be in his replacement


Moerat, Orrie: Simply not good enough, but we should move PSDT to lock. We need a replacement for Etzebeth. 


Mostert: Don't know what to do with this guy, but we need a solid lock, Maybe Nortje, but he is too light. So PSDT would work


Fourie: What the fuck is this guy even doing in the team when we have Kolisi, Kwagga and Coetzee. Why do we need a hybrid hooker? Marx could even play open side


Duane Vermeulen: Looks half asleep these days, just taking way too long to get him fit, Roos should immediately replace him. Thank you for your service


Faf De Klerk: Man this guy has just been dumb and put his team under a lot of pressure. Back to his old habits before he left the lions. Bring in Zack Burger. 


Elton Jantjies: He had his time, played 50+ test and never really took control. Bring in Smith and Libbok, they may not be Springbok greats but they will do the job for now. 


Just a note on the Physio Statement. What a contradiction. They can cycle through 5 scrum halves but we are not allowed to bring in more than 2 Flyhavles, What a load of croc. Libbok and Smith could have had 5 test matches up at least. 


Pollard, can he make 2023: Been struggling with Injury and form. Not sure whether he will recover and if Leicester can bring the best out of him. Will be playing along Wiese, maybe he can find his old form. 


Frans Steyn: This is where Legendary status blinds people of his real ability. We have willemse, we even have Goosen that can cover 10, 15 and 13. Why do we sill persist with a prop forward disguised as a backline player. Other than his mighty boot, why do we need him. 


Willie Le Roux: When is bad, he is really bad. He has moments, but only because the bok back selection is so poor. The guy is 33, makes dumb decisions and will cost you a crucial game. Don't care what teary Rassie goes on about. We have enough quality at the back, Moody, Galant and Fassie not to mention Tyrone Green


Mpimpi: Man, what has he really done, other than just running a straight line to score. Very lazy player, always gets beaten on the outside. Arendse, is way more effective. Again, we have Moody, Nkosi, Kolbe, Arendse to name a few. What on earth do we need him for.


I know these guys have such big presence in the bok team but it is time to drop the sentiment and swing the axe. 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
27 Sept 2022, 10:47
#2
27 Sept 2022, 10:47#2

Willemse is shit... Goosen???? From ten years ago??? Shit. Players you list to replace most of these guys are mostly worse. Nkosi is shittest defender and lazy as fuck. Kolbe is a fucking overrated midget. Not even a wing... an average fullback. Arendse is just like the rest... a flat line runner... not a rugby player. Roos is not better than Duane. Roos was so badly shown up you should be trying to avoid bringing him up at all. No sense whatsoever. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Sept 2022, 10:52
#3
27 Sept 2022, 10:52#3

With some fo th e above I am in full agreement.    However as a lock I would rather think that Snyman should eb included and D Toit functions well as a lock or no 6 loosie.

I think that we need to look at some of the others as well.   Must say I like Nrtje though.   as to the Flhalfs I am very worried about the situation.   Of all the flyhalfs played in tests this year Pollard was so-so- Jantjies was a complete flop and Steyn also flopped.    Willemse waas reasonable in that position - but he is also a player usable in other positions.   

I am neither impressed by Smit and Libbok - they are acceptable on franchise level - but that is about it.   I think that the coaching staff realize the oribkem - but di not know what they are doing about it.   Mabe they hope that Pollard recovers form and they want Willemse as back-up player, butt that is NOT going to be the answer when it comes to the upcoming WC.   I think that thinking players at flyhalf - like Wolhuter and Ngomezulu should eb considered despite the fact that they are still very you8ng - but neither of the two got much game time for their franchise.

I am not particularly worried about the other positions - but would flip a lid if Nyakane's name is on the list of squad players again. .       

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Sept 2022, 10:55
#4
27 Sept 2022, 10:55#4
I’d dump the following: Nyakane for Wilco Louw, Thomas is effectively in the squad already but needs to be used ahead of Koch Mostert for Jason Jenkins Orie for RG Snyman Fourie for Dan du Preez Elstadt for JL du Preez Vermeulen for Roos Frans Steyn for Goosen I’d also make sure the likes of Gelant, Fassi, Tambwe, Esterhuizen, Libbok, Gerhard Steenkamp, Grobelaar, Ruben Schoeman, Buthelezi and Vincent Tsituka are brought in or remain in the mix
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
27 Sept 2022, 12:24
#5
27 Sept 2022, 12:24#5

Axe everybody. It is the future.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Sept 2022, 14:17
#6
27 Sept 2022, 14:17#6
Trad you should axe your wrists - a good ending
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
27 Sept 2022, 14:37
#7
27 Sept 2022, 14:37#7

It's a hell of thing when the players you want to discard come from the same shit pile as the players you want to bring in.

None of your replacements are special players. Not even one.

Garbage out ... garbage in.

To think that this is as good as it's ever going to be.

Haaaaaaaaahahahahaha!!




sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
27 Sept 2022, 15:08
#8
27 Sept 2022, 15:08#8

Faff is a total liability. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Sept 2022, 15:10
#9
27 Sept 2022, 15:10#9
Goosen, the Deysel twins, Wilco, Thomas duToit…..,these guys haven’t been tried before and failed? Get real none of those guys represent progress.
The find of the season so far is Wiese….Moody is a lively player, not a dominant one…Willemse won’t make his kicks under pressure, but he could transform our back play at 12.
The big problem is Erasmus/Nienaber have not been experimental….tactically or in their  their selections. So as the current team and tactics grind to a halt, we have no natural turnover.
We are winning with smoke and mirrors…any top 5 team that matches us in the scrums and negates our maul as the ABs did last time, is likely to beat us,.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
27 Sept 2022, 15:15
#10
27 Sept 2022, 15:15#10

Also, if the Boks up and under are negated (along with the scrum and rolling maul) - any of the top 5 teams will beat SA.

When the up and unders work, the Boks can beat any team - or lose to any team when they don't work. 

The backline attack is often hopeless.
The Boks are probably the only top 5 test team that can't score a backline try from 1st phase. 
This is not just a problem with RassieNaber, it has existed for ages. (e.g. DeWet Barry, Peter Muller). 

In the professional era with bigger inside cen ters, the Boks have struggled to find distributors and play makers who are also big enough to carry the ball up. Jean DeVilliers was probably the most all round centre in the professional era, and his passing was still not as good as the best inside centers in world rugby.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Sept 2022, 15:36
#11
27 Sept 2022, 15:36#11
Oh what horse shit that Goosen, Thomas, Wilco and the du Preez twins have been tried tested and failed All of these players are world class One certainty is that if Wiese can make it then so can the du Preez twins for they are very similar players with the twins being even more physical than Wiese Moz as per usual you are speaking utter shit and as per usual it’s the usual negative shit about our players
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Sept 2022, 15:39
#12
27 Sept 2022, 15:39#12
Faf is not in great form but Shark you are too fucking stupid to comprehend the fact that at the time of the WC he was regarded as the best 9 in the game He is 30 hardly completely past it. Only a fucking idiot would discard him in total
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
27 Sept 2022, 15:53
#13
27 Sept 2022, 15:53#13

Only a complete fucking idiot would see that his current form is not good, and his mental discipline is a problem.

I think in the last 3 games, he got a yellow card(s) after coming off the bench in less than 5 minutes. 
If it was an important world cup match, we can't take this risk.

Not saying his form will not return, but currently, he should not even be on the bench.
His up and under have never been great, but the other aspects of his game were. 

Currently, his ratio of yellow cards to time spent on the field is higher than any rugby player in test rugby . 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
27 Sept 2022, 16:18
#14
27 Sept 2022, 16:18#14

YESSSSSSSS ... SharkShit. yessssss!!

Well put.



KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
27 Sept 2022, 16:39
#15
27 Sept 2022, 16:39#15

Faf's form has been dipping since last year. Neither did he set the world alight when he finally came back from injury at Sale. 

Faf need to shape up or ship out. We have enough quality 9's that can leave out in the cold. Also forgot to bring in Reinach. 

Just remember, 4 years is a long time in Rugby. But even when Faf was on the field, pretty erratic at the moment. 


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Sept 2022, 16:51
#16
27 Sept 2022, 16:51#16
You miss my point Sharkshit I’m saying he is in poor form like a few Boks but you don’t discard him unless you are some kind of kindergarten coach Class is permanent form temporary You stick with players in the squad they don’t need to be in the match 23 but only a fucking idiot would discard a proven world class player before their time Same applies to Pollard to name another
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
27 Sept 2022, 19:14
#17
27 Sept 2022, 19:14#17

Pollard hasn't got 3 yellow cards off the bench in less than 5 minutes, in each of his last three appearances. 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
27 Sept 2022, 20:19
#18
27 Sept 2022, 20:19#18

Dullard has not outplayed an opposition 10 since 2015-ish... how fucking permanent can this "slump" be Bilbo??? 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Sept 2022, 23:35
#19
27 Sept 2022, 23:35#19

The article accompanying this video is entitled: "Willie le Roux’s Bok future hanging by a thread after greatest indignity". I've often thought he is overrated but until recently the Boks didn't have many creative backs.




MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
27 Sept 2022, 23:38
#20
27 Sept 2022, 23:38#20

Thanks for the dead link Just Can't Win. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Sept 2022, 23:40
#21
27 Sept 2022, 23:40#21

Dave, one of your fans is climbing out of the closet!!!

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Sept 2022, 23:43
#22
27 Sept 2022, 23:43#22

Willie got dummied, it happens in rugby...he'll be back.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2022, 00:00
#23
28 Sept 2022, 00:00#23
Let’s dump Faf from the squad in total because hey he’s in shit form and has had a yellow card or two What a fucking joke
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Sept 2022, 00:30
#24
28 Sept 2022, 00:30#24

The Deysel twins are not more physical than Wiese….they are basically small locks, tall players. Wiese has a much more blocky physique with huge legs. He is a tackle breaker, much as Alberts was a tackle breaker…he has his issues, but as a ball carrier he is pretty unique in Bok rugby right now.

As for rewarming Goosen for the umpteenth time…no thanks.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2022, 09:51
#25
28 Sept 2022, 09:51#25
What rubbish the twins are more physical and break tackles at will- both are bigger and stronger than Wiese in every respect On Goosen maybe you should listen to what your hero Jake has to say about him. He mentions Goosen in the same category as other greats he has coached like George Smith etc
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
28 Sept 2022, 12:10
#26
28 Sept 2022, 12:10#26

The creatine twins are donkeys.
They have been tried at test level and failed miserably. Neither are test-standard players.

The neanderthal twins...


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Sept 2022, 13:51
#27
28 Sept 2022, 13:51#27

Mozart 

Stop talking shit - Alberts was clumsy and not a tackle breaker - he was always stopped and meters gained was minimal - if any..    He never make any contribution to ball protection and recovery at breakdowns and his defense was impeded by pace deficiency - he had t he pace of a slow prop.

So you no zero about loose forward play if you come up with garbage like you did above.    I think it also show when you criticize players like you persistently do.             

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
28 Sept 2022, 15:02
#28
28 Sept 2022, 15:02#28

That tackle attempt by Willie Leroux was pathetic.

He should have used the touchline as the last defender and tackled the ball carrier at an angle to push him over the line. 


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
28 Sept 2022, 15:14
#29
28 Sept 2022, 15:14#29

Actually, Comrade ... Willem Alberts was a juggernaut.

He was an unstoppable freight train ... had an incredible ability to run over everything in his path.

He was VASTLY superior to the weedy and lazy PSDT. There is no comparison between the two.

He was worthy of his Bok jersey ... unlike Dud Toit who's never impressed anyone other that the two stooges on this board.

You wish you had a man like Alberts in your side.

The Boks haven't seen his like for near on a decade.

Sadly those days are forever gone ... now you're stuck with brainless dweebs like De Lindy and DUD.

What a mess!!


   


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2022, 16:33
#30
28 Sept 2022, 16:33#30
Shark given you know fuck all about rugby I’ll take that with a pinch of salt But here is something for your ignorant brain to ponder on. Have the du Preez twins ever had and extended run starting for the Boks? The answer is a big fat NO - so saying they have been tried and tested and failed is not only ignorant it’s a lie - for ones things for certain they never failed. Now the crux, has Wiese been given an extended run as a starter - YES. Is it not the case that when he started and a few games in we thought he was shit? The answer is yes. But he has now settled thanks to an extended run and is reaping the rewards as he is looking nice and physical Now dumbfuck, do you get my point? Having watched the du Preez twins and Wiese I can with certainty say that they play a very similar style and in my books the twins are stronger and have better skills these days So had they had the opportunity like Wiese has had, there is absolutely no doubt they would have shone at test level Like with a good few players the Bok management has missed a trick with the twins much like they have with Gelant, Tambwe, Esterhuizen, Serfontein, Aker, Jason Jenkins and Roos But Shark you are too rugby ignorant and can’t see past the balls the twins used to drop way back in their Sharks days Move on you ignorant fool
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
28 Sept 2022, 17:24
#31
28 Sept 2022, 17:24#31

Amazing how anyone that disagrees with Fat Dave does not understand rugby...
A clown that pretends to be a guru.

This plodder claims to be an expert but just oversimplifies things.
E.g. 

1. If someone is younger than 30 and loses form, they should not be dropped.
2. If someone is older than 30 and loses form, they must be dropped- even if their form returns. 
3. If someone weighs a little more than another player, that instantly means they are stronger. The technique is irrelevant, it is just how much they can squat in a gym. 

An ageist and weightist...that has no understanding of forward play. 

Fat Dave struggles to understand it is a team game, where some contributions go unnoticed in the tight loose- at least unnoticed to the ignorant eye.
E.g.

How many times was a player the first to a ruck, or 2nd to a ruck).
How many clearouts do they make? 
How many times do they slow down the opposition ball?
How many times do they speed up their own ball retention as a unit? 
How many times do they close down space on defence?
etc, etc. etc

A Saffex back row will consist of ball carriers and be totally unbalanced. It will also have poor conditioning that will get run off the field in the last 30 minutes. 

6. Willem Alberts. 
7. Creatine Twin 1
8. Creatine Twin 2

It would be a joke, that could not compete on the ground. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2022, 17:46
#32
28 Sept 2022, 17:46#32
Oh Sharkie you really are a fucking idiot stuck in the dark ages Your best grasp of the game is that the ball moves from scrum half to flyhalf, centre, centre, wing But to your credit that is more than Clown Dries Hey Shark - Faf is 31 you dumbfuck Try again Speed up their own ball retention - bwhaaaahaaaa Please enlighten us
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
28 Sept 2022, 18:15
#33
28 Sept 2022, 18:15#33

We all have our favourite players but really the selectors must start making some serious choices to get the Boks ready for the WC.

All very well winning against Wales and runners up in the last championship games but the big prize and honour is the WC.

The present Springbok squad is not capable of pulling it off........to many old players for a start and some who do not deserve to be in the present squad.

Get with it "COMRADES".




PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Sept 2022, 18:24
#34
28 Sept 2022, 18:24#34
Hilarious. Two games previous, Saffex was saying Wiese is total shit. Now he’s apparently changed his mind. So Saffex, does that mean that until three weeks ago you were a, in your own words, “fucking idiot”? Must be wonderful, having the equator separating “fucking idiot” and “100% correct” perfectly running directly through the centre of your mind and decided by your whim. Some of us, that had actually been watching Wiese play, refrained from calling you “fucking idiot” after your actually stupid early assessment of him. Probably because we’re not keyboard warriors. Just remember to update the list of players that you support. That way we can also support all of them and keep away from being “fucking idiots”. …or are you just a keyboard warrior whose legs wouldn’t stand up to having a wet Marie biscuit chucked at them?
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
28 Sept 2022, 18:42
#35
28 Sept 2022, 18:42#35

Yarpies are very very slow minded people so when a player plays good and gets recognition when the yarpie said they were shit they pretend that this player only now is good and they weren't wrong. Or if the player gets random press they pretend that they ever supported the player or oretend that they only got shit now. Yarpies are curious little creatures that love to swim in shit. Wiese was pretty good last year. He is pretty good all around... I just don't like the off the ball horseshit. If he keeps clean and stops being like wannabe bully boy Ebenezer Stooge he'll be a key Block of actual value for years to come. BUT... the stupid bozos here shot their load over Roos the nothing. The same fucks criticizing de Lindy today were the same fucks who bought the horseshit years ago. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2022, 19:09
#36
28 Sept 2022, 19:09#36
Listen here you fucking idiot at least I have the balls to admit a player is proving me wrong unlike the wet blanket that you are Yes he was crap before turning things around. Only a fucking idiot like yourself keeps telling us how shit DA is but that same player makes the team of the tournament on various platforms You are what constitutes a fucking idiot Well peach there are a few on here who have met me in person I’ll let them be the judge of how much of a keyboard warrior I am I’m more than happy to meet and prove you otherwise
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
28 Sept 2022, 19:22
#37
28 Sept 2022, 19:22#37

Preface : Am not a keyboard warrior
Chapter 1; Page 1: Proceeds to be keyboard warrior

Listen here you dopey fag... you and Mikey are the only two retards still beating the de Lindy drum. It seems like some here have standards and can at least see through some of the childish horseshit. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
28 Sept 2022, 20:27
#38
28 Sept 2022, 20:27#38
First Axe the R and his special needs head coach.... otherwise none of this makes sense in anycase.
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
28 Sept 2022, 20:54
#39
28 Sept 2022, 20:54#39

Actuall Willie is starting to act up a lot on the field of late.

Reminds me of that A-hole scrummie of OZ (White) actually also known as "Glass Jaw".

Always picking up the ball or interfering with other team players to get the ball when a halt or penalty is called and then does diddly squat.

Just missing the growth below "Glass Jaw's" nose.



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Sept 2022, 21:49
#40
28 Sept 2022, 21:49#40
That’s amazing. Wiese was a shit rugby player right up until his last two tests. What a fantastic turnaround. Rassie and Nienas are basically savant level selectors if you ask me. I mean, to select such a shyte player…and in under 5 tests he almost makes MVP. Just by the by, a dumb muscle 8 doesn’t make the ankle taps that Wiese did in those games where you called him stupid and not worthy of his spot. Players that read moments well do that type of thing. It takes a good read, athleticism and technique to pull off. Can i ask, just to be sure, do you still consider Wiese to be dumb muscle? Granted you rate his contributions are welcome, but i’m very interested to know if you consider his play as all brawn and no brain. Cos if you do, you’re going to have to change your stance on him again. The best is, you hang in on your support for DDA, one of the most capped players in the last decade but who can’t go a single game without making at least two ridiculous mistakes and/or show poor basic skill…while Wiese gets one game and is called unworthy. Obviously your rugby acumen is unparalleled. I mean, clearly.
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