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Timo Swiel - The boks flyhalf for 2015 World Cup (the end of the All Blacks)

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
28 Dec 2013, 07:46
#1
28 Dec 2013, 07:46#1

Better than Goosen. 





DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
28 Dec 2013, 09:21
#2
28 Dec 2013, 09:21#2
 SSSSHHHH Let's not forewarn the kiwis....it's our secret.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Dec 2013, 09:44
#3
28 Dec 2013, 09:44#3

 Sharkbok


I have been a Swiel fan since his school days and this kid has something  I have not seen in any SA flyhalf for many years.   He has -


*  massive ball sense - I call him the ball sense whiz kid - where he is better than Goosen and Lambie (who has ball sense bit to a smaller extent) and Morne Steyn ( ho has none of that quality);


*  speed - with an eye for a gap where there seems to be none;


*  the ability to create space for other players who can carry balls further - it is not the tries he scores himself that is all-important, it is the tries that he creates which is even of more importance;


*   the ability to kick at goal and virtually never misses a kick; and


*   the ability to take tackles without dieing with the ball; and


*   the ability to defend excellently.


Whenever I see him playing I think how we miss at senior ranks a player that can really play the ball like he does.   I have a feeling that Timo will be the Sharks flyhalf this year and I think that the following backline might be evolved by Jake White:-


15  Lambie

14  Mvovo

13  Whitehead

12  Jordaan

11  Marais

10  Swiel

  9  Reinach


When the Chiefs still think what will happen, the tries under the post would already have been scored and converted.   All the above has amazing speed and are sound defenders - they all are clever players.


Cannot find a place for the slow and dull Francois Steyn in that backline.  When Swiel has created space for the backline - Steyn would kill the move by crashballing - or he would be nowhere in sight because of speed deficiency.


Swiel is a dead cert for my fanatasy team selection - that is for sure.    


*          

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Dec 2013, 09:55
#4
28 Dec 2013, 09:55#4
Boks should stay with the tried & true Morne but if not I am sure you will select the right no. 10 eventually.
No need to be over anxious, I am sure it is all under control, the RWC is a long way off so no worries. Put those thoughts of impending doom out of your minds 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Dec 2013, 11:23
#5
28 Dec 2013, 11:23#5
 Sharkbok this is the season of goodwill and we do not want our skittish kiwi friends in a dead faint!
Lambie is our man for 2014 with youngster like Sweil and Goosen being carefully managed! Flyhalf stocks looking very good.
Ou maaaaikie cannot grasp the fact that there is a good chance of Frans Steyn coming back as the world class player he was. Seldom does one get a man of that size with his pace and step and the ability to sink a goal from 70 meters. Sharks will be hoping he comes right as they need some physicality in their backline.
But dont be concerned Stormers fans, allistair has made sure we still have Kurt Coleman - Bwhahahahahaha between the tears!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Dec 2013, 17:07
#6
28 Dec 2013, 17:07#6

Beeno


It will soon be 2014 and you are still hallucinating - Steyn is SLOW and he has NO STEP - fact of lif e.

PO
polyboyClub Pro601 posts
28 Dec 2013, 18:39
#7
28 Dec 2013, 18:39#7
 Come on Sharkbok another " running SA back" who appears outstanding in SA rugby but would be average in NZ rugby...NZ has backs like this guy banging on provincial doors. Boks haven't been able to dominate rugby let alone the AB's in 20years 2015 is the year the AB's will be the 1st side to retain the RWC...hell they've achieved everything else.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Dec 2013, 20:00
#8
28 Dec 2013, 20:00#8
 Ou maaaikie if you want to make remarks about hallucinating please diect them accurately. Poly would be a fine recipient given rooitwits absence and of course one or two others!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Dec 2013, 20:10
#9
28 Dec 2013, 20:10#9
To say Swiel is better than Goosen is laughable. Goosen was playing for the Baby Boks as an 18 year old and has already proved himself at the highest level.
Goosen has just as much attacking flair as Swiel and a far better boot on him.
Swiel looks a great talent but has yet to be tested.
Mike, your Shark backline is a joke, especially with Jordaan at 12........bwhaahaaaaa

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Dec 2013, 20:22
#10
28 Dec 2013, 20:22#10


Saffex


Jordaan played opposite SBW at 12 in the Super 15 Final in 2012 and made one of the best backline breaks I have seen in years.   That is no joke.   If the Sharks wants another backline flop similar to 2013 - they should play Steyn at 12.   He is slow and dull and that remains a problem. 


Maybe - just maybe - White would get him to lose the 10kgs of lard he was carrying and up his speed and ball distribution.   That could help - but I have a suspicion it will not happen and he would repeat his useless performances he put in since his return from France.            

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Dec 2013, 20:39
#11
28 Dec 2013, 20:39#11
Jordaan has never played 12 and if he is not physical enough for 13, he would be an absolute joke at 12.
One certainty is that White will not be playing Jordaan at 12. His options at 12 are Frans, Whitehead, Williams and Esterhuizen.
Jordaan needs to play on the wing.
White has already said that Lambie will only feature at 10 and rightly so, given the Sharks have the impressive SP Marais at 15.
The Sharks backline is up for debate.......but a few certainties will be Lambie at 10, Frans at 12, JP on the wing and SP at 15.
At 13 it should be Tyler Fisher or Esterhuizen..........White has said there will be a few new faces in the side........I reckon these two could be the new faces. I hope so anyway as they are better than the likes of Whitehead........who has shown no form since his great S15 series 2 years ago.
Jordaan must never play centre again, like de Jongh he is just not physical enough for the job. Fruen proved that


CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
28 Dec 2013, 21:22
#12
28 Dec 2013, 21:22#12
 


clevermike

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Posts: 8393 RE: Timo Swiel - The boks flyhalf for 2015 World Cup (the end of the All Blacks)
December 28, 2013, 07:44:51

 Sharkbok


I have been a Swiel fan since his school days and this kid has something  I have not seen in any SA flyhalf for many years.   He has -



I have a feeling that Timo will be the Sharks flyhalf this year and I think that the following backline might be evolved by Jake White:-


15  Lambie

14  Mvovo

13  Whitehead

12  Jordaan

11  Marais

10  Swiel

  9  Reinach



Patrick Lambie will be the Sharks fly-half for Super Rugby 2014, coach Jak e White deciding the Springboks star been "messed around" enough.


Patrick Lambie will be the Sharks fly-half for Super Rugby 2014, coach Jake White deciding the Springboks star been "messed around" enough.
Read more at http://www.espnscrum.com/super-rugby-2014/rugby/story/207323.html#6FZv5dpEgC4Lj2ZG.99
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Dec 2013, 21:45
#13
28 Dec 2013, 21:45#13

 saffex


Your memory is slipping - Jordaan played at 12 in the Super 15 final in 2012.  

So Francois Steyn is physical enough producing zero at center - where his performances over the last two years amounted to crashballing and poor defence?  I think he may start in the pre-season matches at 12 - but if there is not a vast improvement in performances - he is bound to be replaced sooner rather than later. 


These so-called physical players with poor defensive records make me sick.  Steyn in one game  in Super 15 this year (the Brumbies game to be specific)  missed more tackles than Jordaan did in all the games he played in.   Matter of fact his tackling record of 6% missed tackles is three times better than Engelbrecht's 18% and four times better than Steyn's 24%.   


White also recruited Swiel with the promise that he would get playing time at the Sharks.  


I think White will work out which players is worth it and he will not use non-performers  purely based on reputation.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
28 Dec 2013, 23:07
#14
28 Dec 2013, 23:07#14
 I can see that you did not recognise that the blue text was actually a link to an article. This is the entire article, and take note of the date:

Jake White anoints Pat Lambie Sharks fly-half
November 27, 2013

Jake White anoints Pat Lambie Sharks fly-half November 27, 2013
Read more at http://www.espnscrum.com/super-rugby-2014/rugby/story/207323.html#YFkWcqvQGpg9Rr3k.99

Patrick Lambie will be the Sharks fly-half for Super Rugby 2014, coach Jake White deciding the Springboks star been "messed around" enough.

"Let me say that Pat's a very good talent," the Rugby World Cup 2007-winning coach and former Brumbies coach said on sport24.co.za of the Springboks utility currently on tour in Europe.

"To be fair to him, because he's so talented, he can actually be messed around. "It reminds me a bit of when [former Springboks utility] Brent Russell was here - he could play in so many positions. He was always on your bench because he's good enough, but then he tends to never find a position he can settle in."

White said that Lambie was going to play No.10 "and nowhere else" for the Sharks.

"I'll tell him wher e he's going to play and then make sure I give him confidence, and we'll do everything we can do to make him the best in that position," White said. "Then, whatever the national coaches do, it's up to them."

White said that players struggled to progress if they were being shifted constantly from one to position to another, and it would be impossible for them to become a consistently better player.


Jake White anoints Pat Lambie Sharks fly-half November 27, 2013
Read more at http://www.espnscrum.com/super-rugby-2014/rugby/story/207323.html#YFkWcqvQGpg9Rr3k.99
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Dec 2013, 23:12
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28 Dec 2013, 23:12#15
 Jake has got it right. Lambie is ready to make amove. Sweil is ababy.Sweil will probably get game time and enough of it given his youth. Sweil is 86 kg and working hard so expect him to come in at close to 90 kg which is fine.
I only hope he doesnt get fed up and move to England as was once mentioned. 
In a year or so Sweil will not want to be second choice. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Dec 2013, 02:00
#16
29 Dec 2013, 02:00#16

Ceradyne


I know about that article and  also know that afterwards White said he promised Swiel game time.   Competition would be a good thing for both I think.  


I watched the top games in Super 15 during repeat broadcasts and if there was one outright lie peddled on this site  was how good Morne Steyn was and how poorly Lambie performed in Super 15 this year.   Looking at the games again I think that it was very biased contributions made by the Morne Steyn supporters.


Am no at all surprised that Stade Francais did not fall for the hype and uses Morne as a bench player. 




   

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Dec 2013, 02:19
#17
29 Dec 2013, 02:19#17
 Ahhh ou Maaikie and his famous assessments of coaches' ideas, intentions and thoughts combined with his famous assessments of what happened in games. How about England doing so badly on their cricket tour in India. I see you are avoiding that thread like the plague, like so many others.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Dec 2013, 03:02
#18
29 Dec 2013, 03:02#18
 he is really good - he can certainly pass, run, kick, link, create space and defend and also got a Junior World Cup to prove it.
However "as a British passport holder, Swiel wanted to keep his options open and did not yet want to commit his long-term international future to South Africa." 
Sounds like he is eligible to play for England 
Swiel, the door to NZ is open - we will swab Boklogic for you anytime  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Dec 2013, 03:17
#19
29 Dec 2013, 03:17#19

Ceradyne 


Let me remind you how really ignorant and useless you are.  This is a thread about Swiel - or can't you read - doos?  Missed out on the statement White made about Swiel and referred only to an earlier one about Lambie.   What a farce.  


However as per normal you are talking balls - you useless bugger - I am avoiding anything.  I just don't debate rubbish with you since you are the most ignorant twit on this site.   You went two years go two years back to try and prove how good the English cricket side is.   They were disgraced in India in the shorter versions of the game - but since 2012 they have been slipping in the ratings and they are going further down because of the team of geriatrics they have,


Perhaps the useless twits should come and do some recruiting in SA again.  No shut up and stop being obnoxious.      

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Dec 2013, 04:07
#20
29 Dec 2013, 04:07#20
 You are thye stupid doos. You suggested that Lambie would be the FB and Swiel the FH. I pointed out to a statement about Lambie being flyhalf and flyhalf only for the Sharks. You then decided to bring in Morne Steyn. I kept to Lambie and Swiel. You side-tracked the issue poepol. You referred to how crap England was against India. You, yourself.Jou arme poepol. I just pointed out that you got it wrong................... again because England beat India in India. The shorter versions of the game had no bearing on that discussion because it was about test cricket. I suggest that you have a look at teh rankings again. The only one where England is really way off is in T20 which, IMO,  is a load of BS in any case. It is not cricket.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
29 Dec 2013, 07:11
#21
29 Dec 2013, 07:11#21
Lambies best performances in the SuperXV have been at fullback, and a few decent games at centre and flyhalf. 
Lambie has had some very good Curry Cup games at 10, but lets see how he does under Jake White in SuperXV at the flyhalf position. IMO the quicker Swiel starts at Flyhalf the better.
It did seem that John Plumtree was losing the plot towards the end of his tenure at the Sharks, although he did have many good seasons finishing 2nd in 2012.
Michalak in 2012 was way better that than Bambie, and made the 10 position his own with Lambie reverting to 15. Lambie coming into 2nd reciever on multi-phase attack play was good, but he does not dictate the game when starting at 10 and having all of the responsibility.
If Lambie does not up his game, I expect Swiel will make the 10 position his own at the Sharks. 
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
29 Dec 2013, 09:09
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29 Dec 2013, 09:09#22
My post has been deleted.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
30 Dec 2013, 00:58
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30 Dec 2013, 00:58#23
 Not much pace and he needs to work on his stepping !
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Dec 2013, 10:50
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30 Dec 2013, 10:50#24
 
Take a deep breath, Mike.

I know your desperate for a world class Bok 10 ... so are we all ... but I think it best that Swiel be given a little time to at least play a little super rugby before your promote him to the Green 10 jersey.

This year holds a lot of promise ... for many positions.

I hope Goosen stays healthy the entire year and shows us what he has to offer.

It would also be great to see Pat playing the entire season at 10 for the Sharks. He'll pick up confidence and could make a serious challenge for the Bok 10 spot before years end .

Not sure whether Swiel will get much game time this year.

Let's leave Morne where he is till he's dethroned properly by one worthy enough and not merely cause you have a Morne issue.


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Dec 2013, 11:11
#25
30 Dec 2013, 11:11#25
 I think Lambie is set to take over. Morne being in France might just tip the scales. All Lambie has to do is ensure his goal kicking is of a consistently high standard.
Gentlemen and rooitwit here is hoping for a bumper year which the signs are pointing to so eloquently.
Spare a thought for the kiwis! Can you imaging the huge kiwi planing going on and the amounts being spent on refs etc. Bwahahahahahhahahahaha

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Dec 2013, 14:36
#26
30 Dec 2013, 14:36#26

 Hakwa


I think Swiel holds dual citizenship.   He was borne in England - but his mother is apparently South African and they have lived in Cape Town most of his life.   He did not want to ruin his potential prospects to play for England by playing in the JWC - but I think his preference is to stay in SA.     

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Dec 2013, 21:33
#27
30 Dec 2013, 21:33#27
 Swiel was carried into England................?
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